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18th club, whose next?

Wb1234

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If they're so great then why did they make the Cowboys and Reds cover the travel and accommodation expenses for Sydney clubs?

Whenever you're confronted with this fact you either ignore it or pretend it never happened.

If they're so great why did they provide special privileges to the Knight's in 1988?

Broncos weren't given the same privileges.

If they're so great then why did they antagonise the Broncos by bringing in the Giants after agreeing to not set up additional teams in SEQ?

If they're so great then why did eight clubs sign with News Ltd?

If they're so great then why did they walk away in 1997 so News Ltd could throw the "loyal" Chargers, Crushers, Tigers, Magpies, Stelers, Dragons, Bears, Sea Eagles and Rabbitohs under the bus?

If they're so great then why did the idiots gift the pay TV rights to Packer for free?
Yep Newcastle was another club they brought in

should’ve stuck with Sydney!

Illawarra was before their time so can’t blame them for that

meanwhile the boss of the qrl was against the dolphins entering the nrl competition and when Peter Beattie or Dave smith (both Queenslanders) were in control of the game they expanded by adding nobody
 
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Yep Newcastle was another club they brought in

should’ve stuck with Sydney!

Illawarra was before their time so can’t blame them for that

meanwhile the boss of the qrl was against the dolphins entering the nrl competition and when Peter Beattie or Dave smith (both Queenslanders) were in control of the game they expanded by adding nobody
Dave Smith is from Wales.

You need to read up on the game's history.
 

flippikat

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Yeah, bloody Sydney centric...meeting in England to get Wigan and Warrington to Las Vegas with the NZ warriors and the Canberra Raiders..
They just can't seems to think outside of Sydney!
As has been said here before, V'Landys has a knack for SPEAKING like a Sydney-centric conservative, yet in his actions he's actually the most progressive & "bigger picture" administrators we've had in a long time.

It's a very shrewd way of operating, and one that so far has managed to keep both the conservatives & the expansionists on-side with him.
 
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Sure I did

how’s someone Sydney centric when all the teams they added weren’t from Sydney

and they tried to kill off wests too by expelling them

your rants are funny but not backed by facts
You didn't answer my questions. Nor did you provide any facts.

Here's a few facts for you.

  • The Broncos were made to pay a $500k entry fee to join the NSWRL.
  • The Gold Coast Tweed Giants were established not long afterwards and were provided a $500k loan after Arthurson and Quayle agreed to give the Broncos exclusivity in SEQ.
  • Financial assistance was handed to the Newcastle Knights. The doublecross from Arthurson and Quaule caused problems between the Broncos and NSWRL from day one and culminated in the club's defection to Super League.

Here's a transcript from
"The History of Rugby League Clubs" by Ian Collis and Allan Whittaker

Four organisations made bids to the QRL, which was allowed to sanction the franchise (although the winning franchise would have to pay $500,000 to the NSWRL before admission). The Ron McAulliffe led 'Norwood-McKay' group had the public support of Wally Lewis. McAulliffe was also the chairman of the Lang Park Trust and had secured exclusive sponsorship of Castlemaine Breweries at the home of State of Origin football. McAulliffes group was favoured to gain the franchise over the Maranta-Morgan group, the 'Internationals Sydnicate' headed by John Sattler and Bob Hagan, and a fourth consortium led by former Brisbane club coach Darryn Van Der Velde. But when QRL delegates voted 5-4 to allow a Brisbane team to join the NSWRL, the move was defeated 5-4, largely on the opposition of the traditional Brisbane clubs. Incredibnly, QRL chairman Bull Hunter declined to use his casting vote (as chairman it was worth two votes if there was a tie).

The Morgan-Maranta consortium offered the Brisbane clubs 30% of the consortiums profit (as opposed to the McAullife group's lump sum offer). When the vote to allow a Brisbane club to field a team in the NSWRL came before the QRL again on 5th April again on 5th April 1987, the vote was unanimous. It was also clear the McAulliffe group no longer had the inside running to secure the franchise. The Barry Maranta consortium was the preferred choice, 7 votes to 3, including the crucial vote of chairman Bill Hunter.

The victory of the Maranta-Morgan group did not please everybody. When ARL Chairman Ken Arthurson expressed his public disappointment at the failture of the McAulliffe group to win the franchise, it immediately set the scene for conflict with the new club. Originally, the new Brisbane club was to be granted exclusive rights to the south-east of Queensland - a move agreed to by the QRL and endorsed by the NSWRL. The same year Brisbane was admitted, the NSWRL hastily granted a license to a team from the Gold Coast. The League even gave the Gold Coast-Tweed Giants' an interest free $500,000 loan and offered financial assistance to the codes other new club, Newcastle. Brisbane on the other hand, were given no such assistance.

The winning consortium also had the potential to alienate Wally Lewis - the logical captain of the club - as well as the Lang Park Trust headed by McAulliffe. The decision to go with rival brewer Powers immediately got the club offside with the Lang Park Trust.

Here's a transcript from '100 Years of Rugby League in Queensland' (by Tony Price)

At one point it looked like no one was going to get a license. In a controversial board meeting on March 23, 1987, the QRL voted against a Brisbane based team competing in the NSW competition.

Due to his alignment with the Norwood-McKay bid, McAulliffe as chairman, abstained from voting. The board voted 5-4 against a Brisbane license.

There were dual concerns, firstly McAulliffe's additional links as chairman of the Lang Park Trust and crucially the potential destructive effect a Brisbane team in the big league would have on clubs in its own state competition.

The NSWRL were outraged, threatening to end the Brisbane license tender process and go ahead in 1988 with a 14 team competition that would feature only one expansion team in Newcastle. When the dust settled the QRL were won over by the Maranta consortium which offered the organisation 30% of the profits, plus two seats for QRL delegates on its board of directors.

On May 4, 1987 six weeks after the NSWRL's fury at the QRL boardroom policits, the Maranta faction was officially handed the Brisbane license to enter the Winfield Cup the following season and the Brisbane Broncos were born. This was also the end of the Brisbane Rugby League competition as we knew it.
 
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Wb1234

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You didn't answer my questions. Nor did you provide any facts.

Here's a few facts for you.

  • The Broncos were made to pay a $500k entry fee to join the NSWRL.
  • The Gold Coast Tweed Giants were established not long afterwards and were provided a $500k loan after Arthurson and Quayle agreed to give the Broncos exclusivity in SEQ.
  • Financial assistance was handed to the Newcastle Knights. The doublecross from Arthurson and Quaule caused problems between the Broncos and NSWRL from day one and culminated in the club's defection to Super League.

Here's a transcript from
"The History of Rugby League Clubs" by Ian Collis and Allan Whittaker

Four organisations made bids to the QRL, which was allowed to sanction the franchise (although the winning franchise would have to pay $500,000 to the NSWRL before admission). The Ron McAulliffe led 'Norwood-McKay' group had the public support of Wally Lewis. McAulliffe was also the chairman of the Lang Park Trust and had secured exclusive sponsorship of Castlemaine Breweries at the home of State of Origin football. McAulliffes group was favoured to gain the franchise over the Maranta-Morgan group, the 'Internationals Sydnicate' headed by John Sattler and Bob Hagan, and a third consortium led by former Brisbane club coach Darryn Van Der Velde. But when QRL delegates voted 5-4 to allow a Brisbane team to join the NSWRL, the move was defeated 5-4, largely on the opposition of the traditional Brisbane clubs. Incredibnly, QRL chairman Bull Hunter declined to use his casting vote (as chairman it was worth two votes if there was a tie).
The Morgan-Maranta consortium offered the Brisbane clubs 30% of the consortiums profit (as opposed to the McAullife group's lump sum offer). When the vote to allow a Brisbane club to field a team in the NSWRL came before the QRL again on 5th April again on 5th April 1987, the vote was unanimous. It was also clear the McAulliffe group no longer had the inside running to secure the franchise. The Barry Maranta consortium was the preferred choice, 7 votes to 3, including the crucial vote of chairman Bill Hunter.
The victory of the Maranta-Morgan group did not please everybody. When ARL Chairman Ken Arthurson expressed his public disappointment at the failture of the McAulliffe group to win the franchise, it immediately set the scene for conflict with the new club. Originally, the new Brisbane club was to be granted exclusive rights to the south-east of Queensland - a move agreed to by the QRL and endorsed by the NSWRL. The same year Brisbane was admitted, the NSWRL hastily granted a license to a team from the Gold Coast. The League even gave the Gold Coast-Tweed Giants' an interest free $500,000 loan and offered financial assistance to the codes other new club, Newcastle. Brisbane on the other hand, were given no such assistance.
The winning consortium also had the potential to alienate Wally Lewis - the logical captain of the club - as well as the Lang Park Trust headed by McAulliffe. The decision to go with rival brewer Powers immediately got the club offside with the Lang Park Trust.

Here's a transcript from '100 Years of Rugby League in Queensland' (by Tony Price)

At one point it looked like no one was going to get a license. In a controversial board meeting on March 23, 1987, the QRL voted against a Brisbane based team competing in the NSW competition.
Due to his alignment with the Norwood-McKay bid, McAulliffe as chairman, abstained from voting. The board voted 5-4 against a Brisbane license.
There were dual concerns, firstly McAulliffe's additional links as chairman of the Lang Park Trust and crucially the potential destructive effect a Brisbane team in the big league would have on clubs in its own state competition.
The NSWRL were outraged, threatening to end the Brisbane license tender process and go ahead in 1988 with a 14 team competition that would feature only one expansion team in Newcastle. When the dust settled the QRL were won over by the Maranta consortium which offered the organisation 30% of the profits, plus two seats for QRL delegates on its board of directors.
On May 4, 1987 six weeks after the NSWRL's fury at the QRL boardroom policits, the Maranta faction was officially handed the Brisbane license to enter the Winfield Cup the following season and the Brisbane Broncos were born. This was also the end of the Brisbane Rugby League competition as we knew it.
Broncos got that exclusivity they wanted

17 years in Brisbane with no other league clubs

in that time their crowds stagnated whilst the reds, lions and roar all boomed
 
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As has been said here before, V'Landys has a knack for SPEAKING like a Sydney-centric conservative, yet in his actions he's actually the most progressive & "bigger picture" administrators we've had in a long time.

It's a very shrewd way of operating, and one that so far has managed to keep both the conservatives & the expansionists on-side with him.
What has it achieved?

The Stadium Australia rebuild was cancelled. The Sydney suburban stadia upgrade deal has been mothballed.

He hasn't done anything for Bruce Stadium and Wollongong Showgrounds.

He's got the QRL and NSWRL suing him.

WA Gov and Peter Cumins aren't happy with his daft stance on the Bears. He already got on their bad side a few years ago with his "rusted on AFL states" barb.

His comments about a "Pasifika" team being based in Cairns and playing across several countries pissed off the Papuan bid.

He stirred up the Victorians.

NRL officiating is arguably worse since he introduced sweeping changes to the game.
 
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final say

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As has been said here before, V'Landys has a knack for SPEAKING like a Sydney-centric conservative, yet in his actions he's actually the most progressive & "bigger picture" administrators we've had in a long time.

It's a very shrewd way of operating, and one that so far has managed to keep both the conservatives & the expansionists on-side with him.
Solid observation
 
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Broncos got that exclusivity they wanted

Not in 1988 they didn't. Hence the reason for the Super League War that led to them obtaining exclusivity in SEQ for 8 years with News Ltd controlling the wheel until 2012.

All of that rubbish could have been avoided if Arthurson and Quayle didn't go back on their word.

Broncos aren't innocent by any means. It doesn't change the fact that poor leadership from Arthurson and Quayle led to the Super League War you're always whinging about. Stop making out that Arthurson and Quayle were saints. Yes, they did some good things. However, it doesn't change the fact they made critical mistakes that almost crippled the game.

17 years in Brisbane with no other league clubs

in that time their crowds stagnated whilst the reds, lions and roar all boomed
That's the legacy of Arthurson and Quayle waging a stupid war against the Broncos in 1988. It was unnecessary and hurt the game in Brisbane for decades.

Sadly, V'landys is making similar mistakes with Perth. Forcing them to saddle up with the Bears will create unnecessary drama and will prevent the club from reaching its potential.
 

flippikat

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Solid observation
I can't claim to have come up with this - someone else on this board made the initial observation, and the point has stuck with me.

The thing is, all progressive administrators in the past have made the cardinal error of speaking like a progressive.

This just alienates a conservative core of the RL community, and just about guarantees you'll be white-anted out of power before actually achieving anything.

V'Landys realizes that a top administrator's role is akin to a political role - and in politics you have to be able to TAKE PEOPLE WITH YOU.

That means speaking in a language they can relate to, and making compromises that gives them something they can celebrate too. (Eg reviving the Bears to further the case for Perth)
 

final say

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What has it achieved?

The Stadium Australia rebuild was cancelled. The Sydney suburban stadia upgrade deal has been mothballed.

He hasn't done anything for Bruce Stadium and Wollongong Showgrounds.

He's got the QRL and NSWRL suing him.

WA Gov and Peter Cumins aren't happy with his daft stance on the Bears. He already got on their bad side a fee years ago with his "rusted on AFL states" barb.

His comments about a "Pasifika" team being based in Cairns and playing across several countries pissed off the Papuan bid.

He's stirred up the Victorians.

NRL officiating is arguably worse since he introduced sweeping changes to the game.
He's definitely stirred you up ..
And imagine the person least impressed was the beneficiary of the last 2 expansion clubs.
Actually 100% of all expansion since Super league war was for you ( a Queenslander) magic round created for you ( a Queenslander) even had a bloody Origin in Townsville!

Well I'm a Queenslander and I'm absolutely over the moon and greatful as hell for this administration and what it has done for the game in Queensland!
My only hope is it's replicated in NZ
and the inclusion of our friends in the UK at the discussions table continues.

Absolutely incredible that this administration is meeting a little over a week ago on expansion and this week announcing the participation of both men and Women across 3 countries playing in Vegas!

Yet you post this f**king dribble?
Go f**k yourself.
 

final say

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I can't claim to have come up with this - someone else on this board made the initial observation, and the point has stuck with me.

The thing is, all progressive administrators in the past have made the cardinal error of speaking like a progressive.

This just alienates a conservative core of the RL community, and just about guarantees you'll be white-anted out of power before actually achieving anything.

V'Landys realizes that a top administrator's role is akin to a political role - and in politics you have to be able to TAKE PEOPLE WITH YOU.

That means speaking in a language they can relate to, and making compromises that gives them something they can celebrate too. (Eg reviving the Bears to further the case for Perth)
I couldn't agree more! In fact , looks to be winning over the UK as well!!
The leadership on display is absolutely astonishing.
There's so much to be excited about.
 
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He's definitely stirred you up ..
And imagine the person least impressed was the beneficiary of the last 2 expansion clubs.
Actually 100% of all expansion since Super league war was for you ( a Queenslander) magic round created for you ( a Queenslander) even had a bloody Origin in Townsville!

Well I'm a Queenslander and I'm absolutely over the moon and greatful as hell for this administration and what it has done for the game in Queensland!
My only hope is it's replicated in NZ
and the inclusion of our friends in the UK at the discussions table continues.

Absolutely incredible that this administration is meeting a little over a week ago on expansion and this week announcing the participation of both men and Women across 3 countries playing in Vegas!

Yet you post this f**king dribble?
Go f**k yourself.

You live in a fantasy world mate.

For months you've argued that RL is bigger than RU in New Zealand. You've been proven wrong by people from New Zealand. The data shows the Warriors are one of the poorest clubs in the NRL.

Tell me Einstein, in what universe are the South Sydney Rabbitohs and Melbourne Storm expansion clubs that benefit me?

If you're going to label Gold Coast and Brisbane 2 as "expansion" then the same rule must apply to South Sydney. The only difference is South Sydney were reintroduced first.

Are you stupid enough to think Perth and NZ are equal to SEQ?

Magic Round was created by Greenberg after he used the Queensland Gov to get more money out of the NSW Gov for the GF. Don't pretend it was benevolently given to Brisbane.
 
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final say

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You live in a fantasy world mate.

For months you've argued that RL is bigger than RU in New Zealand. You've been proven wrong by people from New Zealand. The data shows the Warriors are one of the poorest clubs in the NRL.

Tell me Einstein, in what universe are the South Sydney Rabbitohs and Melbourne Storm expansion clubs that benefit me?

If you're going to label Gold Coast and Brisbane 2 as "expansion" then the same rule must apply to South Sydney. The only difference is South Sydney were reintroduced first.

Are you stupid enough to think Perth and NZ are equal to SEQ?
There's simply too much bs in that post to address.
You've lost the plot old man
 

Pippen94

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You didn't answer my questions. Nor did you provide any facts.

Here's a few facts for you.

  • The Broncos were made to pay a $500k entry fee to join the NSWRL.
  • The Gold Coast Tweed Giants were established not long afterwards and were provided a $500k loan after Arthurson and Quayle agreed to give the Broncos exclusivity in SEQ.
  • Financial assistance was handed to the Newcastle Knights. The doublecross from Arthurson and Quaule caused problems between the Broncos and NSWRL from day one and culminated in the club's defection to Super League.

Here's a transcript from
"The History of Rugby League Clubs" by Ian Collis and Allan Whittaker

Four organisations made bids to the QRL, which was allowed to sanction the franchise (although the winning franchise would have to pay $500,000 to the NSWRL before admission). The Ron McAulliffe led 'Norwood-McKay' group had the public support of Wally Lewis. McAulliffe was also the chairman of the Lang Park Trust and had secured exclusive sponsorship of Castlemaine Breweries at the home of State of Origin football. McAulliffes group was favoured to gain the franchise over the Maranta-Morgan group, the 'Internationals Sydnicate' headed by John and Bob Hagan, and a third consortium led by former Brisbane club coach Darryn Van Der Velde. But when QRL delegates voted 5-4 to allow a Brisbane team to join the NSWRL, the move was defeated 5-4, largely on the opposition of the traditional Brisbane clubs. Incredibnly, QRL chairman Bull Hunter declined to use his casting vote (as chairman it was worth two votes if there was a tie).
The Morgan-Maranta consortium offered the Brisbane clubs 30% of the consortiums profit (as opposed to the McAullife group's lump sum offer). When the vote to allow a Brisbane club to field a team in the NSWRL came before the QRL again on 5th April again on 5th April 1987, the vote was unanimous. It was also clear the McAulliffe group no longer had the inside running to secure the franchise. The Barry Maranta consortium was the preferred choice, 7 votes to 3, including the crucial vote of chairman Bill Hunter.
The victory of the Maranta-Morgan group did not please everybody. When ARL Chairman Ken Arthurson expressed his public disappointment at the failture of the McAulliffe group to win the franchise, it immediately set the scene for conflict with the new club. Originally, the new Brisbane club was to be granted exclusive rights to the south-east of Queensland - a move agreed to by the QRL and endorsed by the NSWRL. The same year Brisbane was admitted, the NSWRL hastily granted a license to a team from the Gold Coast. The League even gave the Gold Coast-Tweed Giants' an interest free $500,000 loan and offered financial assistance to the codes other new club, Newcastle. Brisbane on the other hand, were given no such assistance.
The winning consortium also had the potential to alienate Wally Lewis - the logical captain of the club - as well as the Lang Park Trust headed by McAulliffe. The decision to go with rival brewer Powers immediately got the club offside with the Lang Park Trust.

Here's a transcript from '100 Years of Rugby League in Queensland' (by Tony Price)

At one point it looked like no one was going to get a license. In a controversial board meeting on March 23, 1987, the QRL voted against a Brisbane based team competing in the NSW competition.
Due to his alignment with the Norwood-McKay bid, McAulliffe as chairman, abstained from voting. The board voted 5-4 against a Brisbane license.
There were dual concerns, firstly McAulliffe's additional links as chairman of the Lang Park Trust and crucially the potential destructive effect a Brisbane team in the big league would have on clubs in its own state competition.
The NSWRL were outraged, threatening to end the Brisbane license tender process and go ahead in 1988 with a 14 team competition that would feature only one expansion team in Newcastle. When the dust settled the QRL were won over by the Maranta consortium which offered the organisation 30% of the profits, plus two seats for QRL delegates on its board of directors.
On May 4, 1987 six weeks after the NSWRL's fury at the QRL boardroom policits, the Maranta faction was officially handed the Brisbane license to enter the Winfield Cup the following season and the Brisbane Broncos were born. This was also the end of the Brisbane Rugby League competition as we knew it.

Great read - thanks for posting. Sattler group became gold coast if I remember..
 
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