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18th team still possible this tv deal

LeagueXIII

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We had this in Smith and Grant followed by Greenberg but because they upset news corps agenda plus the clubs conspired against them to go down the gambling path.

Listen to Steve Mascord podcast with Martyn Sadler it explains alot about how the game operates.
 

Colk

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Yes. It's called failing your administrative duties and sport. To not try in anything that you are meant to do and actually put in charge to propagate and make stronger is to egregiously fail your duty. It is like a soldier failing to fire his gun at the enemy and just standing aside so they can walk through the gate. Take the freakin shot! If you get killed doing it then tough. Sad but that is why you are there. Same goes for running the NRL.

So when you talk about the setup, they did that to themselves with spineless and we administrators allowing the clubs and players to have all the power and then dictate terms and where all the money goes. Fight them to the death. If they screw you and remove you, tough.

That is what the game needs a fighter that will not give a crap about his own consequences but only the games. A real Soldier. If they remove you, then the next man up. Same thing. The people are watching. Most are on your side. We know that many of the journos are on the side of their mates in club land so when the negative stories start to come out thick and fast, stay the course.

Don't give in. Don't back down. Keep firing your gun and take whatever shots they level at you, but come out and hammer them in press conferences with detailed explanations so the brain dead public can have a clue as to what and why the fight is happening. As they say, you can't win a fight with an adversary that buys ink by the barrel. So you need to make sure that you are in the press often with real clear messaging as to why you are taking on these clubs and players. Show and tell the vision to the public in detail. Let them see. They will support and back you if there is a clear vision that will help and make the game bigger and better. Get on the front foot whenever they are trying to scuttle you or your ideas and vision. Transparency is your greatest weapon. They will lie. Again don't be shy in correcting those lies and hitting them back harder with whatever skeletons they have and trust me journos and clubs have many skeletons and weaknesses that a strong and competent administrator can take aim at.

We need V'Landys to go Gorilla ape sh*t on their arse and take the power back and only then will the game be in a position to make the truly hard and necessary decisions to rise and be number one again. Some will say that we don't need another schism in the game. Sure but all the clubs are now tied to the ARLC by contract, so they can't go anywhere. So fight them to free the game to be able to rule from the top, not the tail. It's a fight well worth having, and if we don't have it, we are just going to get more of the same.

Of course none of this will happen and we will just move along at a snail pace, while the AFL cruise through our heartland and all of Australia in a air conditioned, wired for sound, drink stocked bar and bikini girls filled stretch limo.

I enjoy your posts and admire your passion but your last paragraph is a neat summation of what has happened and what we’ll continue to happen.

You only have to look at quotes from the administration, from the media and even from fans on this forum, who are convinced, inexplicably, that the best course of action would be to put teams where we already have teams (look at the Bears nonsense). That by doing that, you can somehow be more popular than a sport that has a national footprint: it’s the complete inverse of logic and what you would do in any business situation. It would be like Pepsi coming to the conclusion that they won’t sell to a certain part of the world because people could only ever drink Coke.

Ideally you would fix up junior development, fix up the transfer system and get on with expanding the game.
 

Perth Red

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Yes. It's called failing your administrative duties and sport. To not try in anything that you are meant to do and actually put in charge to propagate and make stronger is to egregiously fail your duty. It is like a soldier failing to fire his gun at the enemy and just standing aside so they can walk through the gate. Take the freakin shot! If you get killed doing it then tough. Sad but that is why you are there. Same goes for running the NRL.

So when you talk about the setup, they did that to themselves with spineless and we administrators allowing the clubs and players to have all the power and then dictate terms and where all the money goes. Fight them to the death. If they screw you and remove you, tough.

That is what the game needs a fighter that will not give a crap about his own consequences but only the games. A real Soldier. If they remove you, then the next man up. Same thing. The people are watching. Most are on your side. We know that many of the journos are on the side of their mates in club land so when the negative stories start to come out thick and fast, stay the course.

Don't give in. Don't back down. Keep firing your gun and take whatever shots they level at you, but come out and hammer them in press conferences with detailed explanations so the brain dead public can have a clue as to what and why the fight is happening. As they say, you can't win a fight with an adversary that buys ink by the barrel. So you need to make sure that you are in the press often with real clear messaging as to why you are taking on these clubs and players. Show and tell the vision to the public in detail. Let them see. They will support and back you if there is a clear vision that will help and make the game bigger and better. Get on the front foot whenever they are trying to scuttle you or your ideas and vision. Transparency is your greatest weapon. They will lie. Again don't be shy in correcting those lies and hitting them back harder with whatever skeletons they have and trust me journos and clubs have many skeletons and weaknesses that a strong and competent administrator can take aim at.

We need V'Landys to go Gorilla ape sh*t on their arse and take the power back and only then will the game be in a position to make the truly hard and necessary decisions to rise and be number one again. Some will say that we don't need another schism in the game. Sure but all the clubs are now tied to the ARLC by contract, so they can't go anywhere. So fight them to free the game to be able to rule from the top, not the tail. It's a fight well worth having, and if we don't have it, we are just going to get more of the same.

Of course none of this will happen and we will just move along at a snail pace, while the AFL cruise through our heartland and all of Australia in a air conditioned, wired for sound, drink stocked bar and bikini girls filled stretch limo.
The clubs are still on time limited licenses, despite the best efforts of the nrl to get them on perpetual ones. Nothing stopping them breaking away when the licenses run out. That’s why they hold the power still Alongside the Two media partners.
 

TheRam

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The clubs are still on time limited licenses, despite the best efforts of the nrl to get them on perpetual ones. Nothing stopping them breaking away when the licenses run out. That’s why they hold the power still Alongside the Two media partners.

Yes agreed and again whose fault is that? But anyway, that's why you do all the hard and unpleasant work while you still have years up your sleeve. Then again when the limited license is up, you demand perpetual ones. You did get that I did say that it wouldn't be easy right?

You may even fail and they eventually bin your arse to the curb, but at least we are trying. The job of NRL administrator is not there for a guy that wants to feather his own nest or be liked. It is there for whoever is in charge to better the GAME. Like I said, get on the front foot and hold press conferences or media interviews regularly and keep informing the public what is going on and what the plan and goals are. By keeping the public informed of the noble end goal/s, it would be much harder for the selfishness of the clubs to take you out. But they still might. But to bad. We need a fighter, not a yes man that caves in to the interests of the clubs.

I am not saying to forcibly remove or move clubs from the competition. I am merely saying to rejig the ARLC's constitution so as the power lays firmly in the hands of the ARLC and not in the hands of stakeholders. Then we can make the right decisions and create KPI's with real teeth for example that actually motivate the clubs to advance and become better at being successful. All the little things that are now just to hard to get over the line because it is like herding cats that originated from all the tribes of the middle east. Suicide bomber cats everywhere that would rather detonate (even themselves) then do the right thing for the game. They are their own wost enemy.

This needs to stop if we are serious about truly advancing the game to its full potential. If we did that we would eventually leave the AFL for dead, of that I am sure. Not saying AFL wouldn't still be massively popular, they are to advanced for that, but we can and would become the definite number one sport in the country. The game is just to great not to be. It just needs to be run by smart and unselfish hands and brains for a couple of decades to get to where it should be. A truly national sport with at least one team in every major city in the country. A team on both Islands of NZ and at least a comprehensive junior and elite pathways development and academy setup on all the Pacific Islands and Papua New Guinea with an eventual eye to introduce a combined Pacific Islander team, maybe if it is viable for the game, or PNG. Hell if we did it right, in around 20-30 years, we should be debating which new team should get the next franchise, Tasmania, Darwin or PNG? Funding massively in all junior development pathways and savvy expansion is the key.

Clubs need to be stronger too. KPI's need to reflect each club differently depending where they are at. Not one same rule for all. That just muzzles the strong ones and keeps the weaker ones weak and never improving. Club land needs to be strong, and junior numbers need to increase. For example we should be able to set five year goals for junior participation and development and ten year goals and twenty year goals and so forth, with an outlook of say thirty years to have doubled all RL male participation. Female participation seeing that it is in its infancy should be exponential growth for a decade or so before it plateaus to a more normal growth curve.

The largest male growth figures should be coming from our non traditional States, something that for example the ARLC and Strom have not been able to do all that successfully for as long as the Storm have been part of the NRL and its most successful club for a big chunk of that. That to me is shameful and another perfect illustration of how the ARLC is not doing its job properly at all. The State of Victoria should be producing NRL level juniors by now, but it doesn't. Virtually none. That is a shocking and ultimately a ruinous outcome for the long term advancement of our game. Kids playing it in high volume numbers is the key. Without them we have nothing and we may as well give up and go home. Nothing happens if we don't have the kids. The game dies with the last passionate generation. Game set and match. If I was asked what the ARLC's number one charter was, the answer should always be to keep increasing kid participation and it's supporter base. Almost everything thing they do should be with that in mind. Period.

But most of this will always just stay a dream and never realised if we don't fix the ARLC and its lack of power over the shareholders. This is vital if we want a quick turn around otherwise we will just slowly keep conceding ground to our competitors and the gap between us and them will keep widening till we are a distant second. The game of RL won't die, but it will be less and less popular with each new generation, to the point that in 50-60 years, no one will much care about its legends and history, like they used to. It will be a minor sport after all that the oldies like/liked. It will have its die hard supporters of course, just like RL does in England but the main and coolest event in town will of course be AFL with its huge and full stadiums with the best game day atmosphere and hype. A game that has a strong administrative body that did all the hard lifting that needed to be done decades earlier.
 

titoelcolombiano

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You mean like the current one has, oh hang on.
I think to be fair on this point we have seen a good uptick in participation in NZ since the Warrior's inception in 1995. Yes, it wasn't all developed by the Warriors, but it is talent that may have not taken up the game without their presence.

Secondly, growing the game at a professional level and doubling the opportunities is always going to make the game more attractive.

Thirdly, when the u20's comp was in place it was successfully luring RU talent across to league because of the exposure it gave the players so there definitely is a good chance growing the game in NZ will make life slightly more uncomfortable for RU in NZ. We aren't taking over or anything, but we don't have to.
 
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Yes agreed and again whose fault is that? But anyway, that's why you do all the hard and unpleasant work while you still have years up your sleeve. Then again when the limited license is up, you demand perpetual ones. You did get that I did say that it wouldn't be easy right?

You may even fail and they eventually bin your arse to the curb, but at least we are trying. The job of NRL administrator is not there for a guy that wants to feather his own nest or be liked. It is there for whoever is in charge to better the GAME. Like I said, get on the front foot and hold press conferences or media interviews regularly and keep informing the public what is going on and what the plan and goals are. By keeping the public informed of the noble end goal/s, it would be much harder for the selfishness of the clubs to take you out. But they still might. But to bad. We need a fighter, not a yes man that caves in to the interests of the clubs.

I am not saying to forcibly remove or move clubs from the competition. I am merely saying to rejig the ARLC's constitution so as the power lays firmly in the hands of the ARLC and not in the hands of stakeholders. Then we can make the right decisions and create KPI's with real teeth for example that actually motivate the clubs to advance and become better at being successful. All the little things that are now just to hard to get over the line because it is like herding cats that originated from all the tribes of the middle east. Suicide bomber cats everywhere that would rather detonate (even themselves) then do the right thing for the game. They are their own wost enemy.

This needs to stop if we are serious about truly advancing the game to its full potential. If we did that we would eventually leave the AFL for dead, of that I am sure. Not saying AFL wouldn't still be massively popular, they are to advanced for that, but we can and would become the definite number one sport in the country. The game is just to great not to be. It just needs to be run by smart and unselfish hands and brains for a couple of decades to get to where it should be. A truly national sport with at least one team in every major city in the country. A team on both Islands of NZ and at least a comprehensive junior and elite pathways development and academy setup on all the Pacific Islands and Papua New Guinea with an eventual eye to introduce a combined Pacific Islander team, maybe if it is viable for the game, or PNG. Hell if we did it right, in around 20-30 years, we should be debating which new team should get the next franchise, Tasmania, Darwin or PNG? Funding massively in all junior development pathways and savvy expansion is the key.

Clubs need to be stronger too. KPI's need to reflect each club differently depending where they are at. Not one same rule for all. That just muzzles the strong ones and keeps the weaker ones weak and never improving. Club land needs to be strong, and junior numbers need to increase. For example we should be able to set five year goals for junior participation and development and ten year goals and twenty year goals and so forth, with an outlook of say thirty years to have doubled all RL male participation. Female participation seeing that it is in its infancy should be exponential growth for a decade or so before it plateaus to a more normal growth curve.

The largest male growth figures should be coming from our non traditional States, something that for example the ARLC and Strom have not been able to do all that successfully for as long as the Storm have been part of the NRL and its most successful club for a big chunk of that. That to me is shameful and another perfect illustration of how the ARLC is not doing its job properly at all. The State of Victoria should be producing NRL level juniors by now, but it doesn't. Virtually none. That is a shocking and ultimately a ruinous outcome for the long term advancement of our game. Kids playing it in high volume numbers is the key. Without them we have nothing and we may as well give up and go home. Nothing happens if we don't have the kids. The game dies with the last passionate generation. Game set and match. If I was asked what the ARLC's number one charter was, the answer should always be to keep increasing kid participation and it's supporter base. Almost everything thing they do should be with that in mind. Period.

But most of this will always just stay a dream and never realised if we don't fix the ARLC and its lack of power over the shareholders. This is vital if we want a quick turn around otherwise we will just slowly keep conceding ground to our competitors and the gap between us and them will keep widening till we are a distant second. The game of RL won't die, but it will be less and less popular with each new generation, to the point that in 50-60 years, no one will much care about its legends and history, like they used to. It will be a minor sport after all that the oldies like/liked. It will have its die hard supporters of course, just like RL does in England but the main and coolest event in town will of course be AFL with its huge and full stadiums with the best game day atmosphere and hype. A game that has a strong administrative body that did all the hard lifting that needed to be done decades earlier.
Great post!

If I was allowed to give it a 'Like' I would, but one of the administrators took that option away from me.:eek:
 

Perth Red

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Its not often you get Turkeys voting for Xmas though. Yes it would be nice in the ideal world for people to keep being happy to be axed because they are rocking the boat but in the real world it doesn't happen. The time was 2012 when the ARLC was formed. Why the ARL agreed to sharing power with 2 of the state leagues and the clubs and building in mechanisms that ensured the clubs could keep a finger on the trigger is beyond me. Why they then offered the clubs a massive grant increase in 2018 without using it to bargain power back is also beyond me!
 

siv

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The time was 2012 when the ARLC was formed. Why the ARL agreed to sharing power with 2 of the state leagues
This us because the ARL was a joined board made up of QRL and NSWRL board members

The safeguard they put in place was veto rights for the QRL and NSWRL on any ARLC decision
 
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Can you stop being a knobhead for once in your life?

I noticed the same thing and I'm not complaining.
They've done it to you too?

The comment about a Cronulla fan being among the administrators was a joke. You need to stop taking everything to heart. A bit of lighthearted banter is part of being an Aussie.
 

AdelaideSharky

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They've done it to you too?

The comment about a Cronulla fan being among the administrators was a joke. You need to stop taking everything to heart. A bit of lighthearted banter is part of being an Aussie.
It's back I see.

Must've been a glitch.

Not about taking anything to heart, just responding to the constant shitcanning you do.

I can banter with the best of them but when you can't all of a sudden claim banter when you've been shitcanning the Sharks for months.

It's little wonder my fellow Sharks fans in here think you're a dill with no idea.
 
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It's back I see.

Must've been a glitch.

Not about taking anything to heart, just responding to the constant shitcanning you do.

I can banter with the best of them but when you can't all of a sudden claim banter when you've been shitcanning the Sharks for months.

It's little wonder my fellow Sharks fans in here think you're a dill with no idea.
I still don't have the Like option.

Some of the Sharks fans on here are oversensitive and guilty of what they whinge about. They like to throw shit at other clubs, but are offended when anyone points out the flaws of the Sharks.

I get that your club has been the butt of jokes and criticism for years. It's irritating and tiresome, but you have to accept that some of it has merit. My club has copped all sorts of shit, but I will be one of the first to admit that we've brought much of it on ourselves through our incompetence on and off the field.

Cronulla fans are just going to have to accept that their club will need to diversify if they want it to succeed. For too long it's been an exclusive clique that likes to play on the "us vs them" mentality, much like Manly Warringah. That's a good way of becoming redundant in a world that is more connected than ever. The brands that market themselves to the most people are the ones with the highest attendances, television ratings and commercial support. You'll say that I just don't get the culture of the club, but that sort of mentality is the reason it took Cronulla 50 years to win its first premiership and relied on numerous bailouts from the governing body to survive this long.
 

AdelaideSharky

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I still don't have the Like option.

Some of the Sharks fans on here are oversensitive and guilty of what they whinge about. They like to throw shit at other clubs, but are offended when anyone points out the flaws of the Sharks.

I get that your club has been the butt of jokes and criticism for years. It's irritating and tiresome, but you have to accept that some of it has merit.
My club has copped all sorts of shit, but I will be one of the first to admit that we've brought much of it on ourselves through our incompetence on and off the field.

Cronulla fans are just going to have to accept that their club will need to diversify if they want it to succeed. For too long it's been an exclusive clique that likes to play on the "us vs them" mentality, much like Manly Warringah. That's a good way of becoming redundant in a world that is more connected than ever. The brands that market themselves to the most people are the ones with the highest attendances, television ratings and commercial support. You'll say that I just don't get the culture of the club, but that sort of mentality is the reason it took Cronulla 50 years to win its first premiership and relied on numerous bailouts from the governing body to survive this long.
Think we've got a right to be oversensitive in all honesty.

Some of the criticism levelled at us by the dickheads in the media and fans has boŕdered on pure outright hatred over the years.

Thing is the model you seem to prefer is the Souths and Easts model where private rich sugar daddies run the club.

You tend to forget the only club who has AFL like attendances is Brisbane due in fact to they are the only club in the city and they have a flash stadium smack bang in the middle of the city.
 

AdelaideSharky

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I still don't have the Like option.

Some of the Sharks fans on here are oversensitive and guilty of what they whinge about. They like to throw shit at other clubs, but are offended when anyone points out the flaws of the Sharks.

I get that your club has been the butt of jokes and criticism for years. It's irritating and tiresome, but you have to accept that some of it has merit.
My club has copped all sorts of shit, but I will be one of the first to admit that we've brought much of it on ourselves through our incompetence on and off the field.

Cronulla fans are just going to have to accept that their club will need to diversify if they want it to succeed. For too long it's been an exclusive clique that likes to play on the "us vs them" mentality, much like Manly Warringah. That's a good way of becoming redundant in a world that is more connected than ever. The brands that market themselves to the most people are the ones with the highest attendances, television ratings and commercial support. You'll say that I just don't get the culture of the club, but that sort of mentality is the reason it took Cronulla 50 years to win its first premiership and relied on numerous bailouts from the governing body to survive this long.
Think we've got a right to be oversensitive in all honesty.

Some of the criticism levelled at us by the dickheads in the media and fans has boŕdered on pure outright hatred over the years.

Thing is the model you seem to prefer is the Souths and Easts model where private rich sugar daddies run the club.

You tend to forget the only club who has AFL like attendances is Brisbane due in fact to they are the only club in the city and they have a flash stadium smack bang in the middle of the city.
 
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Think we've got a right to be oversensitive in all honesty.

Some of the criticism levelled at us by the dickheads in the media and fans has boŕdered on pure outright hatred over the years.

Thing is the model you seem to prefer is the Souths and Easts model where private rich sugar daddies run the club.

You tend to forget the only club who has AFL like attendances is Brisbane due in fact to they are the only club in the city and they have a flash stadium smack bang in the middle of the city.
Your club lost my respect in 2013 when your fans abused the players of my club after the finals game at the SFS. Low brow anti-social behaviour like that is what makes people want your club to get thrown out.

I have no sympathy at all for privileged Sydney RL fans who cry poor and want entitlement handouts to survive. I am disgusted by the morons from Sydney who expect me to feel sorry for their clubs, who've had every advantage under the sun since 1908, yet they still suck. NSWRL clubs had access to pokies from the 1950s to generate revenue. The BRL clubs didn't have this revenue stream as gaming machines were illegal until the 1990s. Brisbane RL was turned upside down by the NSWRL clubs using pokies to gain every advantage under the sun. Arthurson and Quayle demanded Brisbane field a team in your competition, then Sydney fans whinged their guts out about how "unfair" it was that Broncos got bigger crowds, had access to more juniors and were able to generate more money. It shows just how backward many Sydney RL fans are that they couldn't understand how the introduction of one team from Brisbane would turn their 12 tiny clubs into also rans.
 

AdelaideSharky

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Your club lost my respect in 2013 when your fans abused the players of my club after the finals game at the SFS. Low brow anti-social behaviour like that is what makes people want your club to get thrown out.

I have no sympathy at all for privileged Sydney RL fans who cry poor and want entitlement handouts to survive. I am disgusted by the morons from Sydney who expect me to feel sorry for their clubs, who've had every advantage under the sun since 1908, yet they still suck. NSWRL clubs had access to pokies from the 1950s to generate revenue. The BRL clubs didn't have this revenue stream as gaming machines were illegal until the 1990s. Brisbane RL was turned upside down by the NSWRL clubs using pokies to gain every advantage under the sun. Arthurson and Quayle demanded Brisbane field a team in your competition, then Sydney fans whinged their guts out about how "unfair" it was that Broncos got bigger crowds, had access to more juniors and were able to generate more money. It shows just how backward many Sydney RL fans are that they couldn't understand how the introduction of one team from Brisbane would turn their 12 tiny clubs into also rans.
So a few drunk fools represent the whole f**king club now do they?

Nice try trying to tar us all with the same brush.

That'd be like calling for Canterbury's removal because of the feral behaviour of a section of their fans in the past.

Didn't Queenslanders racially abuse Andrew Fifita not that long ago?

Using your rationale every Queensland club should be thrown out of the league and the state kicked out of the federation.

See how silly sweeping statements are?
 
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For us to expand further we really need to increase our junior playing base by double at least what it is today. need far more junior coaching clinics in the school holidays.
Are you reading this you people at the ARLC?
 

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