1921-2003 = 83 seasons and 15 premierships

[legend]

Actually, it's their birthright to play the village idiot. They do such a good job so why change? :lol:

 

[Sticks]

You have to remember fella's, you are outsiders,ie don't support our club. So when you come on here spruking garbage about our history, which we are all very proud of, you could only expect us to bristle. You know it's going to erk us so you enjoy having a dig. Quite childish actually. I've heard it all before and just laugh at basket cases like you, it's all your worth.
Tell me this.....would you be proud of your history if you had one as extensive as St. Georges'???, I should hope so.
If rugby league fans like yourselves would like to dismiss St. Georges' history you wipe 50 internationals who played for Australia and St. George, players those name is instantly recognised as ST. GEORGE.
Here's a tip: Support your own club with the passion you have for ridiculing ours. Good day.

 

[Benny]

good reply

i mean i wrote all these points and your reply is your a village idiot or play the village idiot

oh my god what a comeback to all i had to say - i think its just above your an idiot because you had nothing to come back with

yes Canberra were successful, they won 3 grand finals and good luck to them, but in their own right Saints were successful too

and as for Super league why else would they go if they weren't after the money - cause of this great concept that ruined the game (your a f**kwit if you think Super League was for the good of the game)

Canberra were in the competition for 2 minutes before they decided the people who helped them become who they were, they'd just leave them and join something else

You'll take top 4, how were your results in the years previous to that, Saints year in year out make the semi's (on average 2 in every 3 years)

I can see you don't give a shit for the history of the game - thats why you supported Super league

Lets take your point of view, because new organisation such as St George Illawarra is not a continuation of St George - then new organisation such as NRL is not a follow on to ARL or NSWRL - do you agree with that?

The fact is St George Illawarra has the same colours, jersey and name except for Illawarra on the jersey. Anyone who thinks its not a continuation of St George is kidding themselves

In the years to come when wrongs are righted it will be seen in the hostory books as well

Let me see ask most people and the two most famous Rugby League sides are St George and South Sydney and it is widely regarded that St George is the most famous- why because they won 11 premierships in a row- have 3 immortals, do i need to go on, despite starting a good 12 years after Easts and Souths have won the most matches, have won the most grand finals - you wouldn't piss on it because you would stand in amzement and would have stage fright being in front of something so famous and wonderful

My side has a history that stretches back to 1909 entering the First Grade competition in 1921. Have 15 Premierships 1941. 49. 56 -66, 77 and 79). Plus numerous other fantastic achievements and incorporates a side that was born in 1982 as was yours. No but you'd take Canberra's history anyday (yeah sure thats a smart move)

Canberra does not have nor will it have the history of St George or St George Illawarra and that is a fact - St George is and will forever be more famous than Canberra

 

[Green Eye]

I have a few questions here...

When manly merged did they lose their history?

Now that they are no longer merged did they magically get it back?

If two teams merge do they lose all the history or simply have two heritages?

When teams entered the SL did they lose their history because their names changed? (Looks at the number of name changes the bulldogs and roosters have had.)

I personally don't think the record books should show anything different than 15 premierships to dragons, 0 to steelers and 0 to st george illawarra dragons. (I think it will stay that way for a while... sorry willow)

BTW some history about the game in the canberra region...
Benny you are way off track by making such comments like "Canberra with no heritage or history to speak of"

Rugby league was being played in the area long before it became Australia's capital city in 1927. The local game was recorded as far back as 1919 and continued through the 1920’s with a series of challenge cups. The Federal Capital Territory and District Rugby League competition started in 1928. Teams involved in this competition competed for the Canberra Times Shield. An indication of the high standard of play was the selection of Queanbeyan winger Alan Ridley for the 1929 Kangaroo tour.

The local competition ended in 1937 because more attention was concentrated on the Massy and Carr Cups. The Massy Cup started in 1930 and the Carr Cup started soon after in 1933. At the end of each season the holders of each cup would play for the Group 8 Championship, which was under the control of the NSW Country Rugby League.

The Group 8 competition concluded in 1940 because of the war, and was resuscitated in 1946 along side the newly formed local competition, A.C.T. District Rugby League (formerly Federal Capital Territory and District Rugby League.) In 1947 the Massy and Carr Cup competitions were wound-up and a round robin system was put in their place. The district's second Kangaroo tourist was selected in 1948 when Johnny Hawke made the trip to England.

In 1946 Canberra was given its first 'international' match with a game against the touring British Lions. The Canberra representative side, also at times called Monaro, regularly gained matches against touring sides in the following decades. The team beat France in 1955 and Great Britain in 1977 (with Larry Corowa scoring five tries).

In 1954, the Group 8 Premiership and the A.C.T District Rugby League were reorganised into a new competition of three zones: Zone 1 for the Crookwell area, Zone 2 for the Goulburn area, while Zone 3 covered the Canberra area. The idea was to raise popularity of rugby league in the district, however it was a failure, and rugby league's popularity sunk. The failure of the zone system meant it only lasted the 1954 season.

Rugby league rose again though during the mid 1960s. In 1965, teams in the A.C.T. District Rugby League competition competed for the Molongolo Shield. The Molonglo Shield competition was granted Country Rugby League Group status in 1974, and operated as Group 19 from 1975 to 1979. From 1980 both Group 8 and Group 19 lost their Group numbers. Group 8 became the Canberra and District competition while Group 19 was referred to as the A.C.T. Rugby League.

In 1981, the Queanbeyan Blues lodged an application to have a Canberra club admitted to join the expanded 1982 Sydney premiership. What made admission into the competition difficult for the Queanbeyan-based Canberra club was the fear of some Sydney clubs that it would cost them too much revenue to travel to Canberra for games.

However the Canberra bid agreed to pay all expenses for the first couple of seasons. This arrangement saw the Sydney clubs endorse Canberra 's entry as the 13th team. Meanwhile Illawarra, Central Coast and Campbelltown fought out the battle for the 14th place in the 1982 premiership.

 

[Anonymous]

I agree, St George are a very special case. Most of their supporters are too brain dead to see anything outside Kogarah.

Just to point out some glaring errors in one of your posts Willow.

Arko and by that I assume you are talking of the NSWRL/ARL bailed Canberra out. Bailed us out of what? We were never broke. We breached the salary cap after paying incentives to the horde of Raiders players who overnight became internationals.

News Ltd stepped in to assist the Raiders during the SL war, just as the Dragons received the same level of assistance from the ARL/Optus. So what's your point? I doubt you even have one. Just another misguided post from a delusional Saints fan who knows very little, if anything that happens in the game today outside of st George Illawarra.

BTW, your argument has many holes in it.

If St George were in such great shape, why merge in the first place and potentially alienate the fans and possibly lose your identity? Why would such a supposed "strong" club even consider such a drastic notion?

Get your hand off it Willow or at least give the other one a go.

Legend, it seems to normal for you to resort to personal abuse everytime someone disgarees with you. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy robust debate and name calling never worries... but it doesnt have to be the standard response everytime you come across an alternative opinion. Lighten up.

Now shall get back to debate?
I don't give a tinker's cuss what you think of the history of St George. If you don't give a shit then why bother entering a debate?

The Canberra thing, whatever it may be, was an example of clubs getting into strife. I also mentioned Souths. Nether disappeared and Saints have always been stronger at a financial level than Canberra and Souths.

This was in response to your claim, and I quote: "Here's another way of looking at it. If Saints tried to push on past 1999 in their own right, it's pretty obvious they would have gone the way of the Gold Coast. "

I laughed at this statement because it was tremendously funny. How could you possibly compare the Gold Coast situation to St George?
The only club that was going down the gurgler was Illawarra and it was beneficial to both sides if they joined forces.

I ask again, where's you're evidence to back up this ridiculous claim?

If you can't handle the response, then perhaps you take you're own advice, and close the door on your way out. But I'd rather hear the answer... it's sure to get more laughs. :lol:

 

[salivor]

Benny produce something sensible and you'll get a sensible response. If you actually believe the words you wrote about jealousy and St George being the most famous football club ever then I won't be surprised (you are a Saints fan afterall) but I will feel sorry for you.

A year or so back it was St George fans trying to pretend that the merger was something it wasn't. Now St George fans are asking for a takeover and trying to pretend its not what it really is.

 

[legend]

Benny, I thought they let you out after 5pm, not before?

Where did I say I supported Super League? I didn't. I supported my club, who went to Super League so stop making assumptions about things you know very little, if anything at all about.

We took the money because Mr Arthurson was siphoning all the NSWRL funds to Manly and the Roosters. Look at what happened to Manly once Arthurson left. They went broke almost overnight.

Arthruson was allowing the Roosters to buy Stuart, Daley and Clyde, all three were locally developed by Canberra yet when the club asked for help from the NSWRL, they were told to shove it where the sun don't shine. In hindsight, I don't blame the club for going to Super League. They did it for their best interests and to keep their club in tact.

In our 21 years of existence we have produced:

Ricky Stuart
Bradley Clyde
Laurie Daley
David Furner
Brett Mullins
Glenn Lazarus
Ben Kennedy
Jason Croker
Steve Walters
Kevin Walters
Ruben Wiki
Ken Nagas
Lesley Vainikolo

All of the above players got their start with Canberra so yes, I have a lot to be proud of.

Also, apart from 1992, 1999 and 2001, Canberra have made the finals every year since 1986. Only Brisbane can top that so again, you dribble nothing but BS.

Canberra were in the comp 13 years before they "jumped ship" and the very ones who let them in were the ones who didn't give a shit about them or their players.

At the end of the day I don't give a rats about St George. They are a basket case and will be for years to come. Internal strife, player punchups, affairs, betting scandals are just the norm for such a "great" club.

You can have em Benny. We'll just continue to beat em.

 

[Alan Shore]

You have to remember fella's, you are outsiders,ie don't support our club. So when you come on here spruking garbage about our history, which we are all very proud of, you could only expect us to bristle. You know it's going to erk us so you enjoy having a dig. Quite childish actually. I've heard it all before and just laugh at basket cases like you, it's all your worth.

True. It's the nature of the degenerate Dragqueen fans. Though, I was hoping the majority of you would respons rationally and in a mature fashion, which none of your mob can manage bar Willow.

If rugby league fans like yourselves would like to dismiss St. Georges' history you wipe 50 internationals who played for Australia and St. George, players whose name is instantly recognised as ST. GEORGE.

That's completely irrelevant. I never have and never will condone the removal of the St.George Dragons from the record books. We aren't removing anything from the records. This is about adding on the history of a defunct club to a new one. It doesn't work. It's like trying to fit square pegs in round holes.

 

[Benny]

Salivor - if St George aren't the most famous football club ever then who is and where would St George fit into all this?

You supported your club who went to Super League (therefore you supported Super league, thats like saying i support St George but not the NRL, the two go hand in hand). So who did you support the ARL or Super League?

I hated the concept of Stupid League and have no respect for clubs that left, i didn't watch Super league, i didn't go to Super league and i didn't read bout Super league and i am one of the biggest Dragons and League fans you will find and if Saints went to Stupid League i would have nothing to do with it.

Benny, I thought they let you out after 5pm, not before? Oh i am in stiches

You justify your actions with your conspiracy theories - where is your proof? In 1994 the game was in a healthy state and because of clubs like Canberra it was ruined - it set League back 10 years and these days we're lucky to comp[ete with AFL and Union (yes thankyou Canberra and all those other clubs)

Canberra have done pretty well for themselves in those 21 years but of late up until this year haven't set the World on fire, but then again Saints have done pretty well for over 80 years and if you want me to i can name all the 49 Internationals St George has produced and the additional 5 St George Illawarra plus Bailey to be the 6th.

At the end of the day I don't give a rats about St George. They are a basket case and will be for years to come. Internal strife, player punchups, affairs, betting scandals are just the norm for such a "great" club.

You can have em Benny. We'll just continue to beat em.

We'll if you don't give a rats go back to your little Green corner to talk about the raiders, cause beleieve me we don't want to hear your dribble

 

[Anonymous]

Legend:
You said...
"If Saints tried to push on past 1999 in their own right, it's pretty obvious they would have gone the way of the Gold Coast. "
I asked for an explanation and/or evdence of this claim... several times now...
...you still haven't answered the question.

 

[legend]

I spoke with a die hard Saints fan yesterday and asked him what would of happened if Saints did not merge with Illawarra. His answer was the club would have gone broke if not for the merger.

That was the point I was trying to get across and it was an opinion I also shared and i'm sure many others do. Asking me to prove an opinion is like me asking you to prove Saints were in good financial shape. Unless Robert Stone or Peter Doust open the books how will we ever know?

Benny, you've got a deal. You can sit here like a mushroom and enjoy your mutual masturbation society with all the other Saints fans and i'll take off but it pretty much shows your narrow minded temprament and a failure to accept criticism.

As for the conspiracy theories, ask Daley and see what he says. Also what more prrof do you need about Arthurson. The moment he steps aside Manly become a derelict club that go broke almost immediately.

 

[salivor]

Benny. Its just a bold claim that could only come from an arrogant Saints fan. I don't think any one club stands out. What about Souths, an original club and have won 20 premierships and have a big following. What about an English club like Wigan? What about the other 3 original Australian clubs in Easts, Balmain and Wests?

 

[Benny]

Legend you tell me how we couldn't survive -

Open the coffers of St George DRLFC and it has assetts in the millions

St George Leagues club puts all the money for the joint venture this would have been no different for just St George - its in constitution

We supply majority of the fans - St George supporters and some fans were alientated due to merger and moving away from Kogarah and with return to Kogarah are slowly starting to come back

There is no way we could have gone broke unless very bad management but at the time we had one of the best CEO's in Brian Johnson

So personally i think we can lay that one to rest

No Legend your welcome to stay if your are going to have a proper argument - i don't mind your opinion but with statements such as i wouldn't piss on your history (that is not needed), i feel you should have respect for us when you enter this section just as we should have respect when we enter the Raiders section

Salivor its not a bold statement at all -its common knowledge that Saints are the most famous and well supported side throughout Australia - yes other clubs have claims and i will never say they don't nor do they deserve to and i would put Souths 2nd and daylight third. I have heard the statement too many times from St George, non St George and experts for it not to be true - so therefore its not a bold statement

This is something St George fans are very passionate about and i feel you other fans should respect that and if you don't we would kindly ask you not to comment or at least in a manner that is disrespectful

 

[salivor]

Funny how the last poll they did had Brisbane as the most supported club in Australia with 10%. I'm not saying they necessarily are but it shows how Saints fans live in their own little bubble thinking the rest of us actually give a shit.
BTW I love it how how Saints fans use the logic of if they hear things enough it obviously must be so. Willow goes by the theory that if everyone calls the Saints St George its only a matter of time before they're called that. So if everyone starts calling them the Boston Red Sox is it just a matter of time? If I say the sky is green enough times is it so? Saints fans have never been ones for logical thinking.

 

[Benny]

I meant to bring that survey up in my last post

1- Brisbane
2 - Melbourne
3 - St George

It lost all credibility when Melbourne were voted 2nd. Basically what happened was a few people in each state were asked who they supported, so in Qld most said Brisbane, same with Victoria while Sysney would have been split and sample sizes were exact for each area and state and i think Newcastle came in 4th.

St George still came out on top in NSW and i think if a correct survery was done of 1 - do you support rugby league and 2- who do you follow St George would definately be in the top 2 with Brisbane and probley ahead.

We need one of those shows - the Australia Football Survey (like Sex Survey, Driving Test and IQ) - then we'd have some answers

 

[salivor]

Why do we need a survey Benny? You've already said in your previous post that St George are the most well supported club in Australia. Now your not so sure? Now Brisbane would come out on top of a survey? You might want to get your story straight with yourself before you go making any more bold statements.

 

[Benny]

We need a survey to back up what i am saying

I said probley ahead as dependent on how survey is done - i'm saying if done same way as last survey but cut out those people who don't follow League who just said Brisbane or Melbourne cause lived in that state i reckon its brisbane and saints up top with saints just ahead

However if it was done every person who followed league was asked across Austrlia who they followed St George would be clearly in the lead followed by Souths, then probley Brisbane third

That clear it up for you?

 

[salivor]

No we don't need a survey because your so certain St George is the most well supported club. Just what do you base this on? Can't be crowd figures, merchandise sold, surveys etc. Just what is it? Speculation?

 

[legend]

Benny, i'd like to see some factual evidence about St George being the most supported club in Australia.

Can you please provide some stats to back this up because I can think of half a dozen clubs who would have more support than Saints.

Brisbane would be a clear first with the Roosters and Knights not far behind. I also think of the Sydney clubs, Souths and Parramatta would have more supporters than St George.

 

[Green Eye]

I wouldn't write off the tigers too. They have a huge supporter base that has laid relatively dormant since the club hasn't been winning many. I have always anticipated that once they come good all the old tigers supporters will come out of the wood work.