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1ST ASHES TEST: England v Australia at Nottingham Jul 10-14, 2013

Red Bear

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Brett Lee was pretty reasonable, good tests 2-4, figures blew out in 5th test, when KP tore everyone apart, but he almost nailed him early (dropped catch in there IIRC).

Gillespie just lost a couple of km in pace and was cannon fodder which was a shame
 

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You're thinking of Tait from 05. He was the genius we stuck with.

Also, Lehmann publicly criticised Siddle's efforts - or lack there of - in the warmup matches.

His back-of-a-length, hit the deck hard style will not do him any favours in England.
 
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Tait played the final 2 tests IIRC. With McGrath injured, Gillespie losing the ability to bowl, Lee and Kasprowicz getting belted everywhere there wasn't much else we could do tbh
 

Wato

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My only concern with dropping Siddle is that his the leader of our attack and his long spells allow Patto to be used in short sharp bursts, I do think Bird will replace Siddle some time soon because he is a much more talented bowler then Siddle and can play a similar role. Does Siddle being the leader of our attack work in his favor thou because I don't think any of the young guys are ready to lead the attack although hopefully Watson can play a greater role with the ball this series considering his experience.
 

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Tait played the final 2 tests IIRC. With McGrath injured, Gillespie losing the ability to bowl, Lee and Kasprowicz getting belted everywhere there wasn't much else we could do tbh

We had Stuart Clark in the squad and went for Tait.

We also picked Tait on a raging turner at The Oval ahead of MacGill.

There was a serious Tait-fetish going on there at the time.
 
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My main concern about picking siddle is we need to hit the ground running.

We just don't have any room for someone that isn't in form IMO. Not when we have good back up options.
 
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We had Stuart Clark in the squad and went for Tait.

We also picked Tait on a raging turner at The Oval ahead of MacGill.

There was a serious Tait-fetish going on there at the time.

Was Clark in the squad? I remember there was pressure to pick him but don't remember him officially being in the squad.

The Tait fetish was the same as the Johnson one "but he can win you a match" he sent wides to the boundary in his first spell from memory.

Warner had the Poms confused all series so lets not pick a second leg spinner who turns it twice as much as Warne does on a dust bowl :lol: mega fail.

All we needed was one fast bowler other than McGrath to remotely do anything good. To think we only had 3 players consistently perform in that series and still almost saved the ashes is remarkable tbh
 

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Don't think Clark was in the squad in 05, not picking MacGilla on that last test was a fail of Quiney proportions. Lee bowled pretty well in the main that series, had no luck at all with plenty of dropped catches and a few decisions going against him. Mainly by Bowden.
 

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Let's not forget that Kaspa got out to a shitty decision in that Edgbaston test..

His hand wasn't on the bat when the ball hit it..
 

hineyrulz

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Let's not forget that Kaspa got out to a shitty decision in that Edgbaston test..

His hand wasn't on the bat when the ball hit it..
Lee had Jones absolutely plumb and the clown Bowden gives it Not out. Him and Freddie then score 37 for the last wicket.
 

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http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013/content/story/649495.html

Ashes can make heroes and history..

Preview by David Hopps July 9, 2013

Match facts

Wednesday, July 10, Trent Bridge
Start time 1100 (1000 GMT)

Big Picture
The length of the build-up to an Ashes series is unparalleled in cricket. It begins the day after the last Ashes series is completed and it grows into an obsession for several months before the off, a period in which former England or Australia cricketers are invited to offer up a prediction on a daily basis and past series are lovingly dwelt upon for the umpteenth time.

This time, it is different; this time England and Australia have not five, but ten Tests to contest as they are faced by back-to-back Ashes series which will end in Sydney in early January. By the time it is all over, heroes will have emerged, careers been forever tarnished and the pantomime baiting between England and Australia fans - not forgetting the media - will have been exhausted.

For the most casual cricket followers in England and Australia, the Ashes remains their only connection with the sport. Cricket becomes a topic of conversation in the unlikeliest of places. But by the eve of the first Test, real cricket lovers are beside themselves with impatience for the talking to stop and the series to get underway.

Finally, in the bright-white gentility of Trent Bridge, it will, amid confident forecasts of hot, sunny days. It is true that England and Australia are only ranked three and four in the world, but it will be captivating nonetheless. Are England now so well analysed and programmed that it could affect their ability to think on their feet if things go wrong? Can Darren Lehmann's arrival as Australia coach be anything more than a temporary uplift that will dissipate once the quality of the sides is tested? We are about to discover the answer.

Form guide
England: WWDDD
Australia: LLLLW

Players to watch
Graeme Swann is an ebullient sort of fellow and he could be forgiven ahead of the Trent Bridge Test if he burst into song, one of his favourites perhaps when he fronts the Nottingham-based band Dr Comfort and the Lurid Revelations. Swann, fully recovered from a second elbow operation, has never had more favourable conditions on his home ground. The forecast is for sunshine galore, Australia are packed with left-handers - and have a left-armer to create footmarks - so he will never have a better chance of attending to a paltry return at Trent Bridge of three wickets at 65 runs apiece.

For Australia, James Pattinson is a source of considerable excitement. He is a combative, talented quick bowler, eager to avenge England's treatment of his older brother, Darren, a Nottinghamshire stalwart whose sole England Test cap against South Africa in 2008 was widely condemned in the media. Trent Bridge is the perfect ground on which to uphold the family honour.

Team news
After the cut-throat decision to drop Nick Compton, the one space still to be decided is that of the third quick behind James Anderson and Stuart Broad. Steven Finn is the man in possession, but with reverse swing likely to be a key weapon Tim Bresnan, who has 15 wickets in two Tests on the ground, is firmly in the picture. Graham Onions is the outsider but bowls very well to left handers.

England (probable) 1 Alastair Cook (capt), 2 Joe Root, 3 Jonathan Trott, 4 Kevin Pietersen, 5 Ian Bell, 6 Jonny Bairstow, 7 Matt Prior (wk), 8 Tim Bresnan, 9 Stuart Broad, 10 Graeme Swann, 11 James Anderson.

Michael Clarke was coy about his final XI, but continued to suggest that Australia would be comfortable selecting David Warner despite his lack of recent cricket. His place will have to come in the middle order with Shane Watson and Chris Rogers, whose previous Test came in 2008, confirmed as the opening pair. The fast-bowling attack could comprise various trios, but Ryan Harris and Jackson Bird appear likely to miss out.

Australia (probable) 1 Shane Watson, 2 Chris Rogers, 3 Ed Cowan, 4 Michael Clarke (capt), 5 Phillip Hughes, 6 David Warner, 7 Brad Haddin (wk), 8 Mitchell Starc, 9 Peter Siddle, 10 James Pattinson, 11 Nathan Lyon

Pitch and conditions
Both attacks are bracing themselves for a demanding bowling experience on a benign surface in what for England are comparatively warm conditions. Chris Read, the Nottinghamshire captain and former England keeper, has warned that traditional swing and seam has been less prominent this summer. Expect big first-innings scores, bags of reverse swing and spin and Broad turning red in the heat faster than most.

Stats and trivia
Tim Bresnan has taken four or more wickets in a Test on five occasions - and three of them have been at Trent Bridge, scene of the first Test

Billy Cooper, the Barmy Army trumpeter, who will not be allowed to play at Trent Bridge, was thrown out of The Gabba in 2006/7 for playing the theme tune from Neighbours. Four years later Brisbane changed its tune and he was made part of the official entertainment package on the first day.

England have not won the opening Test of an Ashes series since 1997 at Edgbaston. That series ended 3-2 in Australia's favour

Quotes
"I think psychologically we're in a much better place, the only danger is that we'll be too laid-back. The Aussies will fight, there's no doubt about that...but if we score the runs we're capable of then we'll win comfortably."
David Saker, England's Australian-born bowling coach, shows no sign of split loyalties.

"I've read it will make or break my reputation as a captain. Personally, I don't feel like that. "
Michael Clarke, Australia's captain, plots an early escape route in case things go awry.

David Hopps is the UK editor of ESPNcricinfo
 

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Counting down the hours.

Hope we bat first and get on the front foot from day 1. Big day from Clarke and Hughes if we do bat.
 

Patorick

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Counting down the hours.

Hope we bat first and get on the front foot from day 1. Big day from Clarke and Hughes if we do bat.
How bout you predict what you don't want to happen?

May just work out better for all concerned.
 
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