1st Test: Australia v India at Chennai February 22-26 , 2013..

[AlwaysGreen]

I'm tipping they will play Big Show and Henriques and drop Starc.

Big Show will be billed as 'a spinner and X factor batsmen like Dhoni'.

 

[JJ]

Big Show has to play, surely... I mean, he is the Big Show :sarcasm:

 

[vvvrulz]

The worst thing is that No Show might actually score some runs on these flat decks, and then the Pieterson and Dhoni comparisons will never end.

 

[hineyrulz]

I'm hearing they may rest Patto :crazy:


I truly give up.

 

[oldmancraigy]

Lyon is being told to bowl flatter and faster by the pathetic keeper and the captain. He is no Murali but he is a decent, test standard off spinner.

He gets so much hatred directed at him because he doesn't take 5 wickets an innings that it's laughable.

I 100% guarantee that ANY of the other spinners will go for as many runs and get fewer wickets whilst we are in India. He is the best of a pretty ordinary bunch and is not backed up by the keeper or the batsmen at all.

Mate, he gets hatred because he can't take wickets at Sheffield Shield level, let alone test level.

He's not a test spinner, we got lucky with him scoring some wickets in that NZ series, but aside from that he's been as effective as I would be. You'd expect a spinner who can't take wickets to at least keep it tight, but he can't do that (at first class level OR test level).

He's a poor bowler who is being given a free world tour. No wonder the quicks keep breaking down, it's hard to bowl while carrying Lyon on your back!! [at least he's light]

 

[oldmancraigy]

I think a bit more perspective should be used when assessing Lyon..

It's not as though we have another right arm offy knocking down the door to take his spot..

I agree.

We should use the perspective that there is a VASTLY superior spin bowler sitting at home watching the games and wondering why taking wickets is seen as such a bad thing.

 

[Horrie Is God]

I agree.

We should use the perspective that there is a VASTLY superior spin bowler sitting at home watching the games and wondering why taking wickets is seen as such a bad thing.

I assume this vastly superior spinner you speak of is a right arm offy..

Because that is what my whole post was about..

 

[Hutty1986]

I'm hearing they may rest Patto :crazy:


I truly give up.

Surely not.. surely f*cking not.

 

[attila_the_gorilla]

I assume this vastly superior spinner you speak of is a right arm offy..

Because that is what my whole post was about..

But why?
Right arm offspin with no variation by definition is not very threatening in India, given their top 6 batsmen are all right handed. Add to this how short Lyon bowls, and no surprise that he gets played to the leg side with ease.
Right arm leg-spin or Left arm finger spin (or anything that has he potential to turn away from right handers) would carry a greater threat.
O'Keefe is left arm orthodox.

 

[attila_the_gorilla]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013/content/current/story/622766.html

I know pithes are manipulated to suit the home team and we knew what to expect in India but this goes a bit too far IMO.

 

[beads6]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Johnson play. I hope they don't rest Pattinson but I'd prefer he was fit for the Ashes than get injured in this test.

 

[vvvrulz]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013/content/current/story/622766.html

I know pithes are manipulated to suit the home team and we knew what to expect in India but this goes a bit too far IMO.

And Australia took the test to the 5th day with a complete dud as their sole spinner.
They're not doing as badly as its made out to be.

 

[attila_the_gorilla]

No wonder Siddle and Starc didn't threaten, the middle of the pitch was a road, no cracks, didn't even start to get variable bounce throughout the match. This is as good as cheating in my books. Pattinson had no right to get as many wickets as he did.

 

[Twizzle]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013/content/current/story/622766.html

I know pithes are manipulated to suit the home team and we knew what to expect in India but this goes a bit too far IMO.

par for the course in India mate, has been since they invented cricket

we've won there before with strong teams but we wont with this team

 

[attila_the_gorilla]

First ime I've ever heard of this practice of doctoring pitches in a selective manner to make sure certain areas deteriorate much quicker than others.

Parthasarathy had used the method of selective watering back in 1998 when Australia lost to India by 179 runs. Warne, who frequently bowled round-the-wicket line during that series, struggled to make an impact as Sachin Tendulkar took the attack to him.
"I kept the square patches outside the leg stump, on either side of the wicket, really hard. It was difficult to get turn from that part as there would be no rough there."
- See more at: http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013/content/story/622766.html?comments=all#usrcomment

Parthasarathy had used the method of selective watering back in 1998 when Australia lost to India by 179 runs. Warne, who frequently bowled round-the-wicket line during that series, struggled to make an impact as Sachin Tendulkar took the attack to him. - See more at: http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013/content/story/622766.html?comments=all#usrcomment
Parthasarathy had used the method of selective watering back in 1998 when Australia lost to India by 179 runs. Warne, who frequently bowled round-the-wicket line during that series, struggled to make an impact as Sachin Tendulkar took the attack to him.
"I kept the square patches outside the leg stump, on either side of the wicket, really hard. It was difficult to get turn from that part as there would be no rough there."
- See more at: http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013/content/story/622766.html?comments=all#usrcomment
Parthasarathy had used the method of selective watering back in 1998 when Australia lost to India by 179 runs. Warne, who frequently bowled round-the-wicket line during that series, struggled to make an impact as Sachin Tendulkar took the attack to him.
"I kept the square patches outside the leg stump, on either side of the wicket, really hard. It was difficult to get turn from that part as there would be no rough there."
- See more at: http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-australia-2013/content/story/622766.html?comments=all#usrcomment

 

[attila_the_gorilla]

Ooops sorry no idea what happened there

 

[Twizzle]

Ooops sorry no idea what happened there

you did pretty well with those sources

its easy to see why finger spinners done well in India and also Warnie was so unsuccessful being a leggie. He bowled on the watered flat bits

If you watch their finger spinners they bowl from very wide of the crease and so they hit the unwatered parts or the foot marks but its been that way since cricket balls were invented

some good quicks like Marshall did well over there and reverse swing bowlers will do well as the ball deterorates but you can see the method in their madness with the clay pitches

 

[attila_the_gorilla]

So are u saying this selective watering has been common knowledge and accepted practice?

 

[Twizzle]

absolutely

the pitch preparation has always been up to the host nation,

everyone does it to an extent but Indians seem to have taken it to the next level, however they are not breaking any rules as there aren't any as far as pitch preparation goes

 

[vvvrulz]

absolutely

the pitch preparation has always been up to the host nation,

everyone does it to an extent but Indians seem to have taken it to the next level, however they are not breaking any rules as there aren't any as far as pitch preparation goes

Still its hypocritical after they way they kicked and screamed when they came to NZ in 2002 and got absolutely owned on our green tops. The next tour we prepared roads for them probably due to unseen pressures and we lost.