1st Test: New Zealand v India at Auckland Feb 6-10, 2014

[African Monkey]

I hope they seriously persevere with Sodhi.

He certainly has talent... He turns the ball more than any spinner we've had for a long time.

All we seem to produce are these crap spinners who rely more on changes of pace than actual variations off the deck.

Guys like Bruce Martin will never rip through a batting line up... They are more about containment than attack.

Sodhi is very early in his career... I don't mind sending him away to develop... But don't send him back to our rubbish first class scene. We don't produce the type if wickets needed and we don't play the style of cricket where the kid will be encouraged to take his craft to the next level.

Maybe set up a deal where the kid plays FC cricket in India or South Africa.

There's nothing wrong with our FC scene, the guy can learn his trade in our competition.

And why would you send a spinner to bowl in South Africa? The place is a f**ken graveyard for spinners and we're not going to be playing in India every day so sending him to play somewhere else isn't going to do anything.

 

[Fast Eddie]

Latham is the best young batsman since Williamson, it's annoying he is sitting behind Fulton and Rutherford of all people.

 

[vvvrulz]

Latham is the best young batsman since Williamson, it's annoying he is sitting behind Fulton and Rutherford of all people.

Esp Rutherford, I really don't like his technique at all. Unless he gets width outside off stump to drive at he seems completely clueless.

 

[shiznit]

There's nothing wrong with our FC scene, the guy can learn his trade in our competition.

And why would you send a spinner to bowl in South Africa? The place is a f**ken graveyard for spinners and we're not going to be playing in India every day so sending him to play somewhere else isn't going to do anything.

Our FC scene is shit for producing spinners.

Our FC pitches usually don't produce much turn... And our conditions dictate that everything is geared towards the seam bowlers.

I know your the resident apologist for the NZ first class scene... But he's not going to develop to his potential if he's in an environment focused too heavily on containment and support.

Quite frankly... While they have been great servants for NZ Cricket... I'm not to keen on seeing another Vettori, McCullum, Martin or Patel... These so-so finger spinners capable of holding up an end but never able to be the difference on day five of a test match.

 

[Mr Angry]

I would persist with the leggie.

He will only get better if bowling to a better class of batter.

 

[ozbash]

that's right Angry, kids only 20.
give him a chance..

 

[African Monkey]

Our FC scene is shit for producing spinners.

Our FC pitches usually don't produce much turn... And our conditions dictate that everything is geared towards the seam bowlers.

I know your the resident apologist for the NZ first class scene... But he's not going to develop to his potential if he's in an environment focused too heavily on containment and support.

Quite frankly... While they have been great servants for NZ Cricket... I'm not to keen on seeing another Vettori, McCullum, Martin or Patel... These so-so finger spinners capable of holding up an end but never able to be the difference on day five of a test match.

Don't see why we need a match-winning spinner tbh with our very good pace attack. All we need for the time being is someone who can hold up an end especially with our conditions suited for seam and swing. It's not as if we produce dustbowls where we need to find quality spinners.

South Africa have never needed a match-winning spinner, the Aussies have Lyon who does a very good job for your standard finger spinner and imo, we could probably use Williamson or Nathan McCullum for the time being and see how Ish Sodhi develops in the Plunket Shield because lets face it, spin does not play a massive part in these parts of the world.

 

[shiznit]

Don't see why we need a match-winning spinner tbh with our very good pace attack. All we need for the time being is someone who can hold up an end especially with our conditions suited for seam and swing. It's not as if we produce dustbowls where we need to find quality spinners.

South Africa have never needed a match-winning spinner, the Aussies have Lyon who does a very good job for your standard finger spinner and imo, we could probably use Williamson or Nathan McCullum for the time being and see how Ish Sodhi develops in the Plunket Shield because lets face it, spin does not play a massive part in these parts of the world.

That deadset has to be the most geniused logic I've ever seen on here...

Sure... Why should we try and develop a world class attacking spinner?? When we can have Jeetan Patel II...

Sure... We have a good young seam attack... But what happens when we have to play on a dead track not offering much for the seamers?? What happens when we go to the subcontinent??

We can always fall back to those ordinary finger spinners who tie up one end... We grow them all the time.

Why not do something different with this kid?? I don't see the point of holding this kids development back all because you have some sort of ideological rose tinted view that our FC scene is suitable.

 

[Iafeta]

Daniel Vettori would be excellent foil. What NZ needs is someone who can contain, allow pressure to build from both ends, and bowl long spells where the other bowlers can strike in short spells. We got lucky that Wagner bowled a brilliant 10 over spell, he was being flogged like a dead horse because he had to cover overs that Sodhi could not bowl and he had to rebuild the pressure Sodhi had released. I don't think we can underestimate how outstanding a role Wagner played to neutralise the momentum off Sodhis absolute tripe.

 

[African Monkey]

That deadset has to be the most geniused logic I've ever seen on here...

Sure... Why should we try and develop a world class attacking spinner?? When we can have Jeetan Patel II...

Sure... We have a good young seam attack... But what happens when we have to play on a dead track not offering much for the seamers?? What happens when we go to the subcontinent??

We can always fall back to those ordinary finger spinners who tie up one end... We grow them all the time.

Why not do something different with this kid?? I don't see the point of holding this kids development back all because you have some sort of ideological rose tinted view that our FC scene is suitable.

Lol just because he bowls a bit of legspin doesn't mean he'll turn out world class. You're like the majority of NZ fans/media clowns who thinks that as we've found a spinner, we've got the next Shane Warne on our hands.

I'm not writing the kid off yet as he could be good value for us in the future, but he's barely had a full season in FC cricket yet and don't give me this garbage that he'll learn nothing in our FC scene, there's plenty he can learn, such as working out batsmen, bowling on decks that have little assistance for him, bowling to batsmen that are set at the crease etc. against seasoned pros/ former internationals so don't come on here saying that FC cricket is a waste of time for him. You're starting to sound like Andrew Hilditch.

And I'm not saying to pick a finger spinner forever, I just think it's the best way going forward for the near future if we're to use a spinner in tests.

 

[Timbo]

For every Shane Warne there's a Peter McIntyre. Or Bryce McGain.

The way he's developed will determine who he's most like in the long run.

 

[JJ]

Exactly, he's got some talent - but, the worst team in the world for him to face now is the Indians, they simply play spin very well, and are very aggressive - to me it's a bad move for him, his confidence, and his development. More importantly, it's bad for the team to have a bowler who immediately releases pressure, the run rate goes up- on our wickets, 1-0 up with the pace bowlers the chief weapons the spinner needs to restrict, not give up 4-6 easy runs an over... McCullum can do that, but of the 12 selected Neesham is a good option, a steadier bowler than Anderson, otherwise Wagner will be bowled into the ground... which I am sure he'll do unhesitatingly, but I think we can do better

 

[Rod]

I remember reading Sodhi was going over to Aussie to work with Warne at some point so that's something that should help his development.

I've long had the theory that Vettori would have had an even more effective career if he'd had some decent consistent quicks to work off the back of. Having him tie down an end after Southee, Boult and Wagner have done their stuff would've been an absolutely ideal situation.

 

[African Monkey]

He would fit in perfectly in this side. His batting would be a massive bonus and he wouldn't be under as much pressure to take wickets.

 

[jamesgould]

I remember reading Sodhi was going over to Aussie to work with Warne at some point so that's something that should help his development.

That's already happened ... if anything it seems to have made him worse.