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1st Test: Sri Lanka v Australia at Galle Aug 31-Sep 4, 2011

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I blame Hilditch.

Ok that's hardly news, but it was that idiot who came out with the comment that he rated ODI form more than Shield form. It seems with Lyon's selection he also rates Big Bash and List A form over shield form when selecting a Test squad.

Mediocrity has become accepted and the development reflects this and now they'll take a good performance from anywhere they can get it.

We're in the for long haul I'm afraid. I grew up on Australian cricket not accepting quality players like Michael Bevan in the test team but now any numpty can make it :x
 

yappy

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Mediocrity has become accepted and the development reflects this and now they'll take a good performance from anywhere they can get it.

We're in the for long haul I'm afraid. I grew up on Australian cricket not accepting quality players like Michael Bevan in the test team but now any numpty can make it :x

Tell me about it. Bevan should have been an all time great, but didn't take to it straight away so had his paper's marked. Boof took what 10 and half years in the Shield to finally get a Test debut despite averaging mid 50s. Siddons never even got a look in. Stewy Law played one test got a 50 not and was never selected again. Marty Love, Brad Hodge, Chris Rogers, there are plenty of guys like that with superb First Class records that either couldn't make the team or hold a place for long.

But Shaun Marsh can make 3 hundreds in the last 4 years at Shield level and he was supposedly a certainty?
 

Hallatia

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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/cricket/michael-clarke-may-opt-for-two-spinners/story-e6frey50-1226123995016

Hopefully it's just Clarke playing ducks and drakes. Most of the Lankan's big partnerships in the tour game came with the two spinners operating (or when Shittle was on). So unless he wants to see Sanga and Mahela try for another of their huge partnerships he'll go with three quicks. If he wants to have the option of left/right spin options then simply pick Lyon and bowl himself.

As stupid as some of our selections have been in the past to leave out Copeland and Khawaja would top the lot.
I read below that "Clarke has given every indication that Trent Copeland is in line to make his Test debut against Sri Lanka on Wednesday" still being silly about Khawaja/Marsh though.

Michael Clarke hints that Trent Copeland could make his Test debut against Sri Lanka on Wednesday
By Peter Lalor
The Australian August 29

Captain and selector Michael Clarke has given every indication that Trent Copeland is in line to make his Test debut against Sri Lanka on Wednesday, but says he is not sure if Usman Khawaja has confirmed his place in the side ahead of Shaun Marsh.

The tall 25-year-old medium-pacer came into the touring squad with a swag of first-class wickets for NSW and was the most impressive bowler in the three-day tour match.

Copeland took 87 wickets in just 17 games for his state and then took 6-61 from 28 frugal overs in the tour game.

"It definitely puts him in the frame," Clarke said.

"Again, I have to wait and see conditions but I think he's done everything in his power to put his hand up.

"He got a few of the players out who are going to be playing in the first Test, so that obviously helps.

"And I like that he hasn't come in and tried to do too much. He's done what he's been doing for NSW for the last few years now.

"I think that takes courage as a first-class player when you come into the Australian team to not try and do anything different. Full credit to him."

Clarke who is one of three selectors on tour, was impressed with Copeland's economy.

"Yeah, it is very important, because what it allows you to do is build pressure from one end and attack a little bit more from the other," Clarke said. "It's a huge string to his bow, to be honest."

Clarke also thought his modest speed was an asset.

"I say this with the ultimate respect -- it's nearly like his lack of pace could be a really good thing for us, because he just nibbles and just wobbles the ball enough that it doesn't come on to the bat," he said.

"Sidds (Peter Siddle), Ryno (Ryan Harris) and Mitch (Mitchell Johnson) who are bowling 140ks, kiss the wicket and come on quite quick."

Clarke said the only thing that would probably stop Copeland making his debut was if the Australians played two spinners.

The wicket at Galle is one of those where two spinners is an option and Clarke refused to rule out using left-arm orthodox Michael Beer and off-spinner Nathan Lyon.

"I think it was good for both of them to play this game. I thought they bowled really well as a combination," Clarke said.

"You've just got to see the conditions, I think that's probably the fairest way. I need to see what the pitch is like and we the selectors need to work out what's our best XI to try to win the game."

Clarke revealed that Shane Watson had not been rested as first thought and he was due to play in the tour match but got sick on the morning of the game.

If the all-rounder had played it might have meant that either Marsh or Khawaja - the two batsmen most believe are competing for the No 6 position - would not have played.

Clarke, who himself made an undefeated 100 in the tour match, refused to be drawn on who would have missed out and also refused to confirm that Khawaja's chanceless century opening the batting in the first innings had given him an edge over Marsh who made 12.

"I don't know, I'm not sure," the captain said.

"He's another one who grabbed a hold of his opportunity and that's all you can do.

"Obviously he hasn't made too many runs leading into this three-day game in the Australia A set-up, in county cricket and the back-end of NSW.

"He's another one who has put his hand up and said 'give me a chance'.

"I also thought Sos (Marsh) did in that first one-dayer he played, when he made 70 and creamed them.

"He played the spin really well.

Marsh was in favour for the No 6 position as Khawaja was seen as a top-order specialist but the latter was impeccable in the tour game and he did replace Ricky Ponting in last summer's Sydney Test against England.
Source
 

jargan83

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From the above article

Marsh was in favour for the No 6 position as Khawaja was seen as a top-order specialist but the latter was impeccable in the tour game and he did replace Ricky Ponting in last summer's Sydney Test against England.

If Khawaja were to be seen as top order specialist only surely there would be better middle order options running around in Australia then Shaun "I got picked based on my surname" Marsh

Agree with Yappy and TT 100% - the again I figured most would!
 

yappy

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I listened to the audio of the actual interviews and it sounded very much like Pup was playing the good boss and not making any negative comments about any of his charges. Shit he even complimented Siddle's bowling.

Fair enough too, the honest assessments can stay behind closed doors. I'm not worried at this stage. The tone certainly sounded like Copeland is a cert and Khawaja has given them no option but he had to talk up the others for appearances sake.

Couldn't really get much of a feel for the spin selection and he talked em both up pretty enthusiastically. Just as you would expect of a Captain really, but you know it's for show. Just one of the hangover's from Hilditch's reign of terror. You can bet he would love to have SOK.

I'll judge Pup on the side picked and how he uses it rather than some excited reporting of comments made with a mind firmly focused on not putting any noses out of joint.

http://www.cricket.com.au/audio-player/Audio/Michael-Clarke-Media-Opportunity/4195
 

hineyrulz

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I can't believe Uzi may miss out, i really can't bat him at 4 FFS!!. Clarke is averaging 20 batting at 4 and over 55 at 5. Hussey goes to 6 he can play any role and considering his last 3 years and age should be happy to be batting anywhere. Play Uzi at 4 and groom him for 3 when Punter calls it a day, it proabably makes far to much sense though......
 

jargan83

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I tend to agree with yappy that Michael Clarke is simply not confirming who will play until the day of the Test. But knowing what selections have happened over the past couple of years under Hilditch and Co....
 

yappy

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I tend to agree with yappy that Michael Clarke is simply not confirming who will play until the day of the Test. But knowing what selections have happened over the past couple of years under Hilditch and Co....

yeah it does give you a few uneasy moments...
 

The Joker

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Khawaja will be a longterm player in the Australian side. I can't see why he couldn't play at 6 until Ponting retires which will probably be at the end of this summer which will mean Khawaja can be moved into 3.
 

yappy

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It's all a giant piss take. How many players apart from openers do you reckon don't debut at 6?

North - 6
McDonald - 6
Hodge - 5 (Symonds was 6)
Hussey - debuted as an opener but was down to 5 when Langer and Haydos were fit again for his 3rd test.
Watson - 7
Clarke - 6
Symonds - 6
Love - 6
Katich - 6
Lehmann - 5 (Ponting was still 6 then)
Ponting - 5, Law - 6 (debuted in the same match, Law never played again and Punter went back to 6 when Tugger was fit for the next game)
Blewitt - 6
Bevan - 5 (Tugger 6)

You have to go all the way back to Langer in 93 for the last batsman before Uzi who wasn't an opener to debut at 3.

6 is just where you always throw in the new boy with very few exceptions. The idea that somehow you have to be a specialist No. 6 to fill a vacancy (not that their actually is a vacancy seeing as Khawaja is the incumbent) must have been made up in the last week.
 

Jubes

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It's all a giant piss take. How many players apart from openers do you reckon don't debut at 6?

North - 6
McDonald - 6
Hodge - 5 (Symonds was 6)
Hussey - debuted as an opener but was down to 5 when Langer and Haydos were fit again for his 3rd test.
Watson - 7
Clarke - 6
Symonds - 6
Love - 6
Katich - 6
Lehmann - 5 (Ponting was still 6 then)
Ponting - 5, Law - 6 (debuted in the same match, Law never played again and Punter went back to 6 when Tugger was fit for the next game)
Blewitt - 6
Bevan - 5 (Tugger 6)

You have to go all the way back to Langer in 93 for the last batsman before Uzi who wasn't an opener to debut at 3.

6 is just where you always throw in the new boy with very few exceptions. The idea that somehow you have to be a specialist No. 6 to fill a vacancy (not that their actually is a vacancy seeing as Khawaja is the incumbent) must have been made up in the last week.

Also, who is ever a specialist 6? All the number sixes in international cricket are all players who played most of their domestic cricket at 3-5.
 

Matt23

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Cricket Australia just tweeted the team;

CricketAus Cricket Australia



Aus Team 1st Test @ Galle. Clarke, Watson, Ponting, Hughes, Copeland, Harris, Lyon, Johnson, Haddin, khawaja, Hussey. Beer (12th)

Khawaja, Copeland, Lyon in and no Siddle, happy days!
Awesome news:clap:
 
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aussies1st

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Can't complain, the spin issue was always even. Hopefully our new selection panel will pick the best spinner in the country for the SA tour.
 

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