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2011 Board Elections

Panther

Juniors
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There is a meeting of ING shareholders in Sydney on Monday at which the future of Panthers could be seriously affected. Shareholders will vote on a proposal to turn their 49.5 percent share of Panthers properties over to another company. If this is passed, Panthers will have 15 days to make a bid to buy back the ING shares and 90 days to complete the transaction.

Amazing that the existing board has kept this quiet. You can find the full story on the ING website under communications, ASX announcements, Entertainment Fund.

We need new blood to help guide us through this.
 

Big Mick

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Hmmm Panther you make it seem like this meeting is ALL about the Panthers JV and nothing else firstly. You are also dramatising it to suggest if the Proposal is approved that the JV will sell the Panthers assets and not the entire Investment Fund....unless Panthers can come up with the money.

I think it is you reading into the proposal the wrong way in order to overdramatise and not provide the LU readers the full story to suit a personal agenda.

The proposal which relates to Panthers suggests that SHOULD the Panthers WANT to purchase back their property they have the RIGHT do so at Market Value.

Under section 4.4.2 it says that under the terms of the JV agreement between the Fund and PRLC, a change in ownership of the RE may trigger a right for PRLC to acquire the funds interest at market value.

So what that clause suggests to me is, that if the Investment Fund was to change hands, PRLC had a clause in the JV agreement which suggested that PRLC could potentially buy back the property at market value.

The clause goes on to say that the value per AAS is $86m, 36% of the total fund. If PDRLC envokes its right to buy back the property, an independent expert will provide market value and that income will be used to reduce the debt facility of the Investment Fund.

There is nowhere in this proposal which suggest the Fund will sell on specific Panthers assets. There is nothing in this proposal which has any kind of impact on Panthers that they can't envoke themselves if they believe they are in a position to buy back the investment.

In the proposal there is even a "Why don't you agree with proposal" as a risk that PRLC would buy BACK the investment, suggesting that if PRLC envokes this right that it will dilute the investment fund. That suggests that they have NO interest in selling if PRLC does not envoke the proposal to buy-back.

So while there is a proposal to sell the entire Investment Fund to an entity who IMO have more experience with property funds than ING, there is nothing to suggest that the Panthers assets will be sold indepdently. On the flip side there is the risk to the investment fund that Panthers actually buy-back the property at market value as a result of the transfer of RE. This would result in a dilution of the Investment Funds worth....so it is not in the best interest to sell on the assets.

The biggest risk for mine in ING is that the debt facility of the fund is in excess of $120m.

In my opinion if Panthers has the capacity to do so, I'd envoke that right and buy back the value of the land.

But changes to the constitution which are also proposed also provide a facility to buy-back at a later date.

So let us not be fooled Panther...the agenda items for the meeting on Monday does not involve a specific discussion to sell Panthers assets and dilute the funds assets. The agenda is as follows:

1. Appointment of the new responsible entity of IEF
2. Changes to Funds constitution

The heart of the proposal is to change structure of the fund to be income generating more than anything. But as PRLC had a clause in their JV that if there is any change in the Fund structure they'd have the ability to buy back the assets...that is the only reason the PRLC assets were even part of that proposal. Don't make it out to be more of an issue than it is.

I'm all for change in the board as well. God knows I am not satisfied with the current direction.

But what I don't want, is to create a frenzy with parts of information, rather than the whole picture.
 
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LeagueLegend

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I might have packed in to too many scrums in my time but to me both posts were the same. It's just that the last used a lot more words to say it.
 

Big Mick

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I might have packed in to too many scrums in my time but to me both posts were the same. It's just that the last used a lot more words to say it.

Well no.

One implies that Panthers assets are specifically being sold. And if they want to avoid them being sold then Panthers HAVE to buy back in a period of time.

The other is actually providing a balanced viewpoint in suggesting what the proposal is ACTUALLY about that the entire Investment fund is being changed to a different structure which is revenue generating and they are utilising the services of a 17.6% holder in the assets already to do so.

As such the Panthers have the ability to buy back their assets should they choose due to a clause in the JV agreement which was drafted between Panthers and ING in the event of the Investment Fund changed IEF.

The proposal in itself isn't specifically about the Panthers assets as previously stated. The portion relating to Panthers is actually what can be regarded as a risk to the Investment Fund in that Panthers can buy back their assets now instead of retaining them in the fund. That would dilute the assets of the fund.

Big difference between "Our future is doomed....they are selling everything and if we don't buy it we are screwed"...to "hey we can do this if we want".

The only impact to this change in structure is if we want there to be an impact....due to the fact that the people negotiating this JV having the foresight to include a clause suggesting if management of the fund changes, PRLC have the ability to buy back assets at market value. That is the only impact. The fund has no intention of selling Panthers assets. The assets in the Investment Fund are going to remain.
 
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Panther

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At no stage did I imply that it was all about Panthers, although Panthers is specifically mentioned (p7 of the PDF).

And of course it would be great if Panthers could purchase the share back for fair market value (which should be a lot less than the $86M that ING originally paid).

However, we have a club that is not trading well, a club that is in debt, concern about the world financial situation and Andrew Wilkie's proposed poker machine reforms. With all that, where is the club going to find (say) $50M and on what terms? When they overspent on the Penrith renovations by $10M, $1M was cut from the football budget. If they have to crack open all the piggy banks to get together $50M, what else is likely to be affected?

Do I have an agenda? Yes, to get new blood onto the board so that things like this are discussed by members rather than having to hear about them on a partner's website.

Go Nads and Nigel!
 

Big Mick

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At no stage did I imply that it was all about Panthers, although Panthers is specifically mentioned (p7 of the PDF).

And of course it would be great if Panthers could purchase the share back for fair market value (which should be a lot less than the $86M that ING originally paid).

However, we have a club that is not trading well, a club that is in debt, concern about the world financial situation and Andrew Wilkie's proposed poker machine reforms. With all that, where is the club going to find (say) $50M and on what terms? When they overspent on the Penrith renovations by $10M, $1M was cut from the football budget. If they have to crack open all the piggy banks to get together $50M, what else is likely to be affected?

Do I have an agenda? Yes, to get new blood onto the board so that things like this are discussed by members rather than having to hear about them on a partner's website.

Go Nads and Nigel!

I'm aware it was mentioned specifically...as I quoted from that section in my post above.

I just wanted to put a context to the proposal and provide the whole story rather than part of it thats all.

And I totally agree with you....Change was required and it is damn unfortunate that it wasn't brought about.
 

murraymob

Coach
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now lets see if any stand down as has been rumoured now they have been returned. By standing down after a election there place is then decided by the current board not a re election.

Heavewn help our club now this lot is back.Perhaps there next move will be a carpark sale of more assets
 

Panther_Daz

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‎445 voters.12 informal votes. 1)182 2)410 3)375 4)408 5)383 6)405 7)349 8)378 9)409 10)394 11)204
 

franklin2323

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I am putting it forward now. I will run next election 2 other mates are keen. 1 has worked at the club for 12 years so knows the problems.

If we get some businessmen to join we have the start of a good rebel ticket. If I was over 30 I would of ran this time next election I will be.
 

The OX

Juniors
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Blah blah blah, I have heard it all for over 10 years.

Nothing will change untill you want to seriously get 5 or 6 blokes together and pony up 20K each. Then you run the joint.

No one will, why would they?

Sh!t its easy to get on if you want to spend the dough........
 

darkbloom

Juniors
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now lets see if any stand down as has been rumoured now they have been returned. By standing down after a election there place is then decided by the current board not a re election.

Heavewn help our club now this lot is back.Perhaps there next move will be a carpark sale of more assets

Prediction: 3 will stand down in the next two years. Heidtman, Rhind, Alexander

Question: What happens if Panthers does not buy back its units in the Fund?
 

Big Mick

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Question: What happens if Panthers does not buy back its units in the Fund?

Nothing. The proposal stipulates it is an option in the JV agreement that Panthers can buy-back should they so choose.

If they elect to not buy-back per JV Agreement, they continue in same way as today.

But new constitutional rules say we now have ability to buy-back into the future as well.
 

Fibroman

First Grade
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I know an alta ego that will have a dig next year. Those numbers are bullsh1t. I personally escorted about 20 people to the poll today to vote. The guy at the booth said we were the only ones that voted on the day. I'll make a call now that the numbers are fixed. There needs to be an independent contractor to run the next election.
 
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