2012 NSW soo side..

[Joker's Wild]

Turn it up. There'll be plenty of us come to congratulate NSW if they win the series. We're all footy fans afterall, aren't we?

Oh Im sure there will be mate, after all I didnt say all Qlders would disappear. There will be a certain number who will though, certainly more than if Souffs or Cronulla won a premiership

 

[RWB]

If we're picking a non-specialist right centre (i.e. Lawrence / Josh Morris), then for me Glenn Stewart is a must on that right edge. Last year all our attack cam down the left and Soward / Scott / Gasnier did next to nothing with the ball. Glenn Stewart asking questions, presumably with Carney on that side (as Pearce played left last year) with whoever plays centre and Aku Uate (who barely touched the ball in attack last series) looks far more imposing to me. And above all, balanced.

In terms of grunt work in the middle, Watmough, Gallen, Mannah and Tamou can provide that (and in a pinch so can Sims). Lewis & G Stewart provide ball-playing on the edges with some hard-running centres (I personally believe Lawrence would be a revelation outside Stewart - look at that try he scored in CvC by coming back on the angle). Then to mix it up, T Williams and Sims can come on and provide the angles on the edges from the back-row.

Farah out of dummy half with Watmough and Gallen running off him in the middle, not to mention B Stewart? On paper (and in my mind) that side has left & right balance plus some serious threat around the ruck.

I don't get this obsession of picking ball players outside ball players. You're negating one of Carney & Pearce's strengths of putting players through holes if you've got Lewis & Stewart in ball playing roles.

I think in your head it sounds great but in reality it's not. Let me give you a quick example... if Stewart is playing as a ball player it's very easy for the defence to slide and sit back hence the centre & winger will be given barely any time & space. On the contrary if you have Sims playing and you hit him a few times running a good line then you're putting some questions in the defences mind AND this is how you create space and overlaps for the centre and winger to become truly effective.

There's no point in picking a good set of halves if we're not going to give them any genuine options in attack. Playing as a link for Stewart and Lewis (both inferior ball players) is a ridiculous notion afaic.

Just to note Lewis & Bird are both capable of running good overs and unders imo so I have no problem with their selections. Stewart I'm still 50-50 on.

 

[RABK]

They key your missing is Lewis and Stewart aren't ball players. They are 105kg, running ball players. They aren't going to be catching and passing. They'll ask a lot of questions of the defence playing at second and third receiver and will often ask unanswerable questions if the inside runners (Guys like Sims) and outside runners (Lawrence/Uate) run the correct lines.

The Defence should have to be split between taking the big bopper Sims on the inside, Brett Stewart running an angle, Sliding to cover Uate and muscling up enough to take Glenn Stewart the ball carrier himself.

I think we can run some set plays and see some pay off.

 

[CliffyIsGod]

Greg Bird is a poor man's Glenn Stewart. Glenn can do everything Bird does a lot better. Watch Manly's right hand side with Glenn Stewart, Snake, Lyon etc.

Have Uate out there and we should actually be able to score points for a change.

 

[Tiger Hawk]

They key your missing is Lewis and Stewart aren't ball players. They are 105kg, running ball players. They aren't going to be catching and passing. They'll ask a lot of questions of the defence playing at second and third receiver and will often ask unanswerable questions if the inside runners (Guys like Sims) and outside runners (Lawrence/Uate) run the correct lines.

The Defence should have to be split between taking the big bopper Sims on the inside, Brett Stewart running an angle, Sliding to cover Uate and muscling up enough to take Glenn Stewart the ball carrier himself.

I think we can run some set plays and see some pay off.

That's it quite simply. We're not talking about picking a guy like Braith Anasta as a ball-playing back-rower. Glenn Stewart can play before, at or after the line, through an off-load. Ditto Luke Lewis. I agree they're not dominant ball-runners like a Sims or Williams, but for me they're superior defenders then those players, are able to straighten the line with their own running games as well as offer ball-playing of their own. A short blind with Stewart-Lawrence-Uate is going to pose problems. Ditto with Lewis-Jennings-Hayne. Sims and Williams can be brought off the bench to offer a different dynamic.

As far as tying up space for centres/wingers, Manly don't have that problem with their ball-players (DCE / Foran), both Stewart brothers, Lyon & Wolfman often all being involved in a right edge attack.

If G Stewart was simply a ball-player I'd agree with you RWB, but he's not IMO. He can provide a lot more. Bird I could live with, he does put his hand up for Origin, but I'd prefer Stewart, I just think he's a superior player.

 

[RABK]

And the bottom line is the emphasis should still be on Carney and Pearce to throw the best pass of any set movement by hitting the correct ball runner whether that'd be one out to a charging Sims/Williams, a long ball to a Stewart/Lewis or a cut out to Lawrence/Jennings.

Stewart/Lewis/Bird are guys that provide the finishing class by drawing and passing or hitting the line and slipping an inside ball by been big enough to commit defenders. They aren't going to be touching the ball 50 times a game like Pearce and Carney.

 

[Mr Angry]

Stuart keen to get Origin started
Steve Jancetic
May 9, 2012 - 4:14PM


NSW State of Origin coach Ricky Stuart says he is desperate for Sunday to arrive so he can end speculation over the make-up of his side for the series opener.
Stuart was among a host of rugby league greats at a benefit luncheon for one of the sport's most respected figures in Ron Massey in Sydney on Wednesday and he faced a grilling on the make-up of his side for the May 23 clash against Queensland.
"If I give numbers today, I've got more speculation tomorrow," Stuart said.
"I just can't wait until Sunday, name the team, let everyone have their fights over it and getting into camp and having the opportunity to get into the most important thing for us and that's preparation."
Stuart said the spate of injuries to players in consideration for the squad in recent weeks had made him reticent to finalise to any great detail the final 17.
Newcastle duo Kurt Gidley and Danny Buderus were both considered certainties, only to suffer injuries in a recent game against Penrith.
"I name the team now and I promise you one or two won't play," he said.
"I don't get too excited about it until Sunday night when I can name them knowing that everyone is fit and healthy."
Stuart was also refusing to put a line through the name of Michael Jennings despite the Penrith centre being dumped to the NSW Cup this weekend.

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:lol: so true.

 

[Hutty1986]

Amen. Let's pick a side, prepare well and get that vital 1-0 lead.

Cue the usual qlderp wankers bleating that NSW won't win game 1, etc etc

 

[T.T]

I don't get this obsession of picking ball players outside ball players. You're negating one of Carney & Pearce's strengths of putting players through holes if you've got Lewis & Stewart in ball playing roles.

I think in your head it sounds great but in reality it's not. Let me give you a quick example... if Stewart is playing as a ball player it's very easy for the defence to slide and sit back hence the centre & winger will be given barely any time & space. On the contrary if you have Sims playing and you hit him a few times running a good line then you're putting some questions in the defences mind AND this is how you create space and overlaps for the centre and winger to become truly effective.

There's no point in picking a good set of halves if we're not going to give them any genuine options in attack. Playing as a link for Stewart and Lewis (both inferior ball players) is a ridiculous notion afaic.

Just to note Lewis & Bird are both capable of running good overs and unders imo so I have no problem with their selections. Stewart I'm still 50-50 on.

to suggest bird is a far better line runner than stewart is ludicrous. do you even watch titans or manly play.

also, i think stuart is so egotistical that he loves including a suprise selection. this year will probably be the surprise utility, and he can't wait to give a big 'told ya so' to the public

 

[Allstar Knights]

G Stewart is probably in the top 3 backrowers in the game at club level, but to be honest, he hasn't been that impressive in Origin so far.

I think this is only because he's been a bit conservative in his performances. He tried to fill Scott's role last year which probably didn't suit his game, either. I hope Ricky Stuart gives him the all clear to bring his ball-playing skills into Origin because it really could open up another dimension in NSW's attack.

 

[Dragon2010]

In Sticky we trust. We have to put our faith and passio behind the bkys and show that we as fans believe we have what it takes to win and show true spirit.

 

[Boganater]

Greg Bird is a poor man's Glenn Stewart. Glenn can do everything Bird does a lot better. Watch Manly's right hand side with Glenn Stewart, Snake, Lyon etc.

Have Uate out there and we should actually be able to score points for a change.

Bird isn't a poor mans anything when it comes to Origin.
He's always turned up for the blues, he's been one of our best in a losing team.
He has outperformed Stewart easily. Stewart isn't physical enough for Origin.

 

[Pazza]

If we can limit our mistakes/penalties and have an equal ammount of posession, then having Glenn Stewart out there is going to be better than having Scott. If QLD ambush us again by scoring early through our mistakes then we are going to wish Scott was out there.

 

[roarr]

I wonder if ricky has called Jamie Lyon yet???

Surely he is miles ahead of lawrence/morris as a right-hand centre (despite him being a f*cking oddball and never wanting to play any representative football unless it's for the wee waa scorpions.)

In saying that I have a feeling he'll throw hayne in at R centre.

 

[CliffyIsGod]

Bird isn't a poor mans anything when it comes to Origin.
He's always turned up for the blues, he's been one of our best in a losing team.
He has outperformed Stewart easily. Stewart isn't physical enough for Origin.

Stewart is more than physical and will ask much more questions to the QLD defence than Bird would.

 

[Gippsy]

In Sticky we trust. We have to put our faith and passio behind the bkys and show that we as fans believe we have what it takes to win and show true spirit.

I'll wait till he picks his side first. The bloke apparently had Gidley & Buderus as certainties!!! FMD.

 

[Dragon2010]

I'll wait till he picks his side first. The bloke apparently had Gidley & Buderus as certainties!!! FMD.

No doubt. All I'm saying is we have to put out trust behind him. There will be a stupid selection but Gids and Bedsy are gone now. Maybe just maybe the footy gods are there.

 

[Boganater]

Stewart is more than physical and will ask much more questions to the QLD defence than Bird would.

4 origins under his belt and he is yet to show any of those qualities..
Take off your maroon & white glasses for a minute.
Bird deserves to be there.

 

[Fizzee Rascal]

In Sticky we trust.

Jason King.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Stewart isn't physical enough for Origin.

That is a load of rubbish, and I'm not even a Manly fan.

This myth about "Origin players" has to f**king stop, it's the same game with the same ball on the same sized f**king field.

If Stewart is one of the best backrowers in the comp, which he is, then how is he not physical enough for Origin?

FMD, just pick the best players. Beau Scott might be a good defender but he offers ZERO ZILCH NOTHING with ball in hand.