2012 NSW soo side..

[watatank]

He was the third best on field behind Gallen and Scott. The moment he came on the field he made a difference. Maybe you should watch it again.

So he scored a try in the first minute he came on, so what.

What did he do for the rest of the game?

In attack he did a few angled runs that looked good but achieved nothing. 8 runs for 46m.

Defensively he tried to rush up a few times and failed to effect the tackle. Also it was his defensive error that opened up the gap for a Slater line break early on in the second half.

 

[Allstar Knights]

And saying 'look at game 2 look at game 2' should not be a reason why a player should be kept in the side. Especially if they performed shithouse in the other 2 games. If we say look at game 2 then f**king Mini should be fullback again. The only reason a player should stay in the side, to have earnt his spot, is if he played consistently well. So Gallen, uhhhhhhhhhh.... Perhaps Hayne, Mannah, Lewis, Leoroyd-Lahrs... Jennings maybe as he played well but was then injured. The halves, hookers, props, backrowers etc should have to justify their spot. At the moment the only certainty should be Gallen.

And saying Scott is a better player than Hindmarsh - laughable. Scott adds f**k all in attack either. Hindmarsh is a far better defender and cover defender/everyman and has far better leadership skills.

Scott played good in Game 1 too, that's the thing. He was clearly missed in Game 3 when there was some poor defence shown by his fill-in, Glen Stewart. Oh and it's harsh to criticise Scott on the other Origin game in 2010, because it's obvious he's not a centre.

Never said Scott was a better player than Hindmarsh, but I think he's a better option in Origin - my opinon. Hindmarsh is a very good defender, particularly his work rate and cover, but he gets dominated in the tackle too easily these days. Like Hindmarsh, Scott isn't the greatest attacker, but he still makes good hitups, positions himself well in defence and is an agressive tackler - which is what NSW need.

 

[Dragon2010]

Scott's a good player offers some solid defense has a bit of rough edges in his attack and his positional play but I think in time as he builds around the team he will fix that. Hopefully with a full time coach on board we see improvement and balance even if it is Ricky Stuart.

 

[Springs]

Our current backrowers aren't better than the likes that we had in 2000-2007 ish. But the thing is they are gone.
It's a bit harsh to say they have no passion, they play hard. Sure they might have a bit more niggle in their game but it doesn't mean their shit or have no passion. Bird is clear example of a player that has passion for his state.

No they aren't. I'd fly a 39 year old Menzies back from France before I'd resort to picking Creagh or Bird. Bird shouldn't be anywhere near Origin with the shit he carries on with in his game. Saying that is passion is like saying Ennis's niggly shit is 'passion'.

Never said Scott was a better player than Hindmarsh, but I think he's a better option in Origin - my opinon. Hindmarsh is a very good defender, particularly his work rate and cover, but he gets dominated in the tackle too easily these days. Like Hindmarsh, Scott isn't the greatest attacker, but he still makes good hitups, positions himself well in defence and is an agressive tackler - which is what NSW need.

Fair enough. I disagree.

In attack he did a few angled runs that looked good but achieved nothing. 8 runs for 46m.

This. These flashy backrowers who make angled runs but do little else. Then they make no metres and become a liability in defence. Bird and Watmough especially.

 

[Big Pete]

He was the third best on field behind Gallen and Scott. The moment he came on the field he made a difference. Maybe you should watch it again.

No he wasn't.

He wasn't even the third best forward for NSW let alone player - Bird and Watmough had more of an impact than he did.

And pretty much what watatank said.

 

[RHCP]

This. These flashy backrowers who make angled runs but do little else. Then they make no metres and become a liability in defence. Bird and Watmough especially.

Game 1
Bird - 10 runs for 89m, 4 tackle breaks, 1 linebreak

Game 2
Bird - 13 runs for 105m, 2 tackle breaks,

Watmough - 18 runs for 136m, 4 tackle breaks

Game 3
Bird - 12 runs for 85m, 5 tackle breaks, 1 linebreak

Watmough - 13 runs for 109m, 3 tackle breaks, 1 linebreak

'Make no metres'? :roll:

 

[timka4]

lol exactly, Bird and Watmough will be picked again this year and rightly so.

 

[Joker's Wild]

FMD these fellas who suggest Bird has no place at SOO level must be closet Qlders

 

[Dragon2010]

FMD these fellas who suggest Bird has no place at SOO level must be closet Qlders

Or incredibly high. Bird would be my second name on the list next to Gallen as certainties.

 

[Allstar Knights]

Yeah, no idea how he's getting criticised. I do agree that Bird can be a mediocre player at club level, particularly his defensive efforts.

But dayum, once he puts that Blues jersey on, he's a totally different player. Definitely been one of our key players for a while now.

 

[RHCP]

Gallen, Bird, Watmough - first three picked imo.

 

[umina panther]

Gidley is always first picked you silly people

 

[Vic Mackey]

I'm the first to bag a saints player but as good as nsw's backrow is Scott was the best last year IMO

I'd have him starting in the middle. Stewart on the right and Lewis on the left. Bird and watmough off the bench.

 

[Springs]

Game 1
Bird - 10 runs for 89m, 4 tackle breaks, 1 linebreak

Game 2
Bird - 13 runs for 105m, 2 tackle breaks,

Watmough - 18 runs for 136m, 4 tackle breaks

Game 3
Bird - 12 runs for 85m, 5 tackle breaks, 1 linebreak

Watmough - 13 runs for 109m, 3 tackle breaks, 1 linebreak

'Make no metres'? :roll:

I meant Bird and Watmough are a liability in defence. And they are.

However Bird still wasn't great in games 1 and 3. In game 1 he missed 9 tackles. More than f**king Pearce for f**ks sake.

A better prop rotation should be more important than a backrow rotation in my opinion. Last year we would have 1 or 2 props playing 10-20 minutes each with 5 backrowers playing over 50, with some playing prop for some reason. Have 4 backrowers (including Gallen) with 4 props.

This is the team I'd really like to see, depending on form, obviously bias
1. Brett Stewart
2. Nathan Merritt
3. Jarryd Hayne
4. Chris Lawrence/Michael Jennings
5. Akuila Uate
6. Jamie Soward
7. Mitchell Pearce
8. Aiden Tolman
9. Danny Buderus
10. Tim Mannah
11. Nathan Hindmarsh
12. Luke Lewis
13. Paul Gallen (c)

14. Ryan Hinchcliffe/Kurt Gidley
15. Glenn Stewart/Tony Williams
16. Tariq Sims/Keth Galloway
17. Tom Leoroyd-Lahrs

Gallen can play his usual game at lock while having 4 props rotating at the same time.
If Buderus is anywhere near as good as he was then he's still leagues ahead of Farah and Ennis. Considering rep performances especially. Those two are yet to have a good rep performance.

 

[Pazza]

Luke Lewis is awesome, not doubt! But doesn't anyone else feel he would be better when the game opens up after 20 mins? the opening exchanges are going to be a tight affair with plenty of one out stuff, Bird/Scott/Watmough all have better running games in terms of the one out stuff than Lewis. But Lewis is a pure attacker!

 

[timka4]

Nathan Merritt... I would love too see him trying to make some metres off our 10m line. Wingers in rep games need to have the entire package, not just try scoring ability. Morris is a clear example of getting dominated in the tackle every time he ran the ball out from dummy half in our own end. Guys like Hayne, Uate, Gordon can make good metres early in the tackle count and score tries

 

[RHCP]

I meant Bird and Watmough are a liability in defence. And they are.

However Bird still wasn't great in games 1 and 3. In game 1 he missed 9 tackles. More than f**king Pearce for f**ks sake.

A better prop rotation should be more important than a backrow rotation in my opinion. Last year we would have 1 or 2 props playing 10-20 minutes each with 5 backrowers playing over 50, with some playing prop for some reason. Have 4 backrowers (including Gallen) with 4 props.

This is the team I'd really like to see, depending on form, obviously bias
1. Brett Stewart
2. Nathan Merritt
3. Jarryd Hayne
4. Chris Lawrence/Michael Jennings
5. Akuila Uate
6. Jamie Soward
7. Mitchell Pearce
8. Aiden Tolman
9. Danny Buderus
10. Tim Mannah
11. Nathan Hindmarsh
12. Luke Lewis
13. Paul Gallen (c)

14. Ryan Hinchcliffe/Kurt Gidley
15. Glenn Stewart/Tony Williams
16. Tariq Sims/Keth Galloway
17. Tom Leoroyd-Lahrs

Gallen can play his usual game at lock while having 4 props rotating at the same time.
If Buderus is anywhere near as good as he was then he's still leagues ahead of Farah and Ennis. Considering rep performances especially. Those two are yet to have a good rep performance.

Fair call on Bird - he still has the defence of a five-eighth more often than not. Yes Game 1 was a shocker - but he missed 2 and 3 in his next two games. Watmough missed 3 and 4 which is on the high scale for a backrower but the work these two do with the ball more than makes up for slipping off tackles. I can remember some shockers from Bird at club level but in the Origin arena I can't recall any Farahesque efforts leading directly to linebreaks or tries.

Replacing them with Hindmarsh and Hinchcliffe is absolute overkill. It's akin to picking Beau Scott in the centres. They might be able to flop onto Inglis after a guy like Watmough chops him down but they are the equivalent to a wet tissue with the ball in hand and their positive defence does not outweight their negative attack.

Hindy has been a champion of NSW in the past but now is not the time to bring him back into the fold.

 

[Big Pete]

Fair call on Bird - he still has the defence of a five-eighth more often than not. Yes Game 1 was a shocker - but he missed 2 and 3 in his next two games. Watmough missed 3 and 4 which is on the high scale for a backrower but the work these two do with the ball more than makes up for slipping off tackles. I can remember some shockers from Bird at club level but in the Origin arena I can't recall any Farahesque efforts leading directly to linebreaks or tries.

Right off the top of my head comes Origin 3 2010.

 

[THE CHAMP]

Right off the top of my head comes Origin 3 2010.

Nah Pete, Snowden and Ennis The Cat f**ked them in Game 3 2010.
Bird wasnt too bad but he did pull a few of those geniused faces.

 

[Big Pete]

Didn't say he was bad, just that his defence cost them points.