2014/15 Premier League

[WireMan]

10 points better. A fit Costa put's that game to bed by half time.

Costa would have done nothing. Fabregas was to busy doing nothing more than kicking people and thinking about who to throw pizza at and Hazard was kept quiet.

A fit falcao would have put united out of sight by half time.
We can all play this game.

 

[Haffa]

Oh well I guess I should be pleased with a point away from home against the clearly superior United side considering we are nothing special.

It's a shame we are 10 points behind, with a point less than our sacked manager achieved last season, after dropping 200 million in the summer.

 

[Haffa]

falcao

:lol:

 

[Mong]

That's a booking so what you moaning about. You post like Chelsea play.

:lol::lol:

 

[saint.nick]

I meant to say "Europe (including Europa). Yes 5th for either of them is much more likely than 4th but IMO this season the established order has looked more vulnerable than ever.

Chelsea will win the league, but every other usual top team has looked shit at times. United have no defense, just like Arsenal. Tottenham looks well off the pace. Liverpool are hurting bigtime without Suarez. And City look "meh" surprisingly often.

City is the most likely to wake up and will probably finish 2nd. But I could see every other big team continuing their up and down results. I think you'll find the amount of points the teams between 2nd and 6th get will be the lowest in a long time. Which means a small club who can put together a special season just might shock the world.

We're not scoring as many goals without Suarez, but theoretically with the defenders we have, we should be conceding a lot less goals, which would leave us higher placed up the table...

 

[Haffa]

We're not scoring as many goals without Suarez, but theoretically with the defenders we have, we should be conceding a lot less goals, which would leave us higher placed up the table...

I'm sure you'll recover. You really do lack leaders in defence though. Probably outside of Gerrard the leadership void in the rest of the team wouldn't be making it easy for BR.

 

[saint.nick]

Gerrard as a leader is a myth IMO, or at least overrated. Liverpool fans can't separate Gerrard the player and Gerrard the captain. Lovren was bought to be exactly that, a leader, and he showed a lot of promise of it against Dortmund, but that's it.

For example, when we were 1-0 down against Chelsea, Gerrard wasn't being a sensible captain, and instead just attempted to win the game by himself with long shot after long shot after long shot.

 

[Jimbo]

Oh well, we're only six points in front of Citeh and still undefeated

If two points is all Dowd could take from us at OT, we've done pretty well

 

[WireMan]

Oh well I guess I should be pleased with a point away from home against the clearly superior United side considering we are nothing special.

It's a shame we are 10 points behind, with a point less than our sacked manager achieved last season, after dropping 200 million in the summer.

Yeah, you guess right, you should be.

Not sure what the second part of the post is all about though.

You saying Moyes did a better job?
If so, I'd stick to comments about Chelsea..

:lol:

What? I thought we were playing the woe is me our striker is injured game?

Oh I see, you were but could only draw so posted a smiley.
Well that's good you took it so well.
Better than Jose would take it anyway. He would blame the font in the forum being against him or something equally stupid.

 

[Mong]

Hahahaha

It's dowds fault neither team won..

Well done boys..

 

[WireMan]

Hahahaha

It's dowds fault neither team won..

Well done boys..

Nah, it was United not finishing well enough and bad marking from a corner.

 

[Haffa]

Gerrard as a leader is a myth IMO, or at least overrated. Liverpool fans can't separate Gerrard the player and Gerrard the captain. Lovren was bought to be exactly that, a leader, and he showed a lot of promise of it against Dortmund, but that's it.

For example, when we were 1-0 down against Chelsea, Gerrard wasn't being a sensible captain, and instead just attempted to win the game by himself with long shot after long shot after long shot.

It's hard to separate the two when a lot of his leadership qualities are a result of him as a player. I can't really fault him though when so much is put on his shoulders.

You really need a core group of leaders though and the loss of carra in defence (from a leadership perspective) hasn't really been filled.

 

[saint.nick]

It's hard to separate the two when a lot of his leadership qualities are a result of him as a player. I can't really fault him though when so much is put on his shoulders.

You really need a core group of leaders though and the loss of carra in defence (from a leadership perspective) hasn't really been filled.

Firstly I think that I need to re-phrase what I said. I think that as a 'super captain', he is a myth, but he is definitely a good captain. I sounded way too harsh.

I agree with you, a lot of it is put on his shoulders, and I do definitely agree that leadership also encompasses your actions. His performances in Istanbul and the 06 FA Cup Final particularly reflect that. But I think that a lot more of the time, when shit gets a bit tough, his head will drop a little. Last season against Crystal Palace, he should have steadied the ship for the last 10 minutes, but he just let the team completely collapse and un-do all the good work.

We definitely miss Carragher for his leadership and his experience. I sometimes ponder whether he would have actually been a better captain than Gerrard. If we had him last season, we would have won the league, I have no doubt about it. I think he'd be useful as a defensive coach.

 

[Jimbo]

Firstly I think that I need to re-phrase what I said. I think that as a 'super captain', he is a myth, but he is definitely a good captain. I sounded way too harsh.

I agree with you, a lot of it is put on his shoulders, and I do definitely agree that leadership also encompasses your actions. His performances in Istanbul and the 06 FA Cup Final particularly reflect that. But I think that a lot more of the time, when shit gets a bit tough, his head will drop a little. Last season against Crystal Palace, he should have steadied the ship for the last 10 minutes, but he just let the team completely collapse and un-do all the good work.

We definitely miss Carragher for his leadership and his experience. I sometimes ponder whether he would have actually been a better captain than Gerrard. If we had him last season, we would have won the league, I have no doubt about it. I think he'd be useful as a defensive coach.

Regardless of how good a captain is, he's always going to do better if he's supported by at least one able deputy

Carragher used to fill that role pretty well for Gerrard, as Lampard did for Terry. The difference is that we have other players who can fill the role now that Lamps has gone

It gets back to the whole 'team of champions or champion team' thing. Having a core leadership group of three or four senior players is much better than having one man with the weight of the world on his shoulders

 

[Haffa]

Firstly I think that I need to re-phrase what I said. I think that as a 'super captain', he is a myth, but he is definitely a good captain. I sounded way too harsh.

I agree with you, a lot of it is put on his shoulders, and I do definitely agree that leadership also encompasses your actions. His performances in Istanbul and the 06 FA Cup Final particularly reflect that. But I think that a lot more of the time, when shit gets a bit tough, his head will drop a little. Last season against Crystal Palace, he should have steadied the ship for the last 10 minutes, but he just let the team completely collapse and un-do all the good work.

We definitely miss Carragher for his leadership and his experience. I sometimes ponder whether he would have actually been a better captain than Gerrard. If we had him last season, we would have won the league, I have no doubt about it. I think he'd be useful as a defensive coach.

I got what you meant mate.

The thing with Carragher was he offered was the smarts. He wasn't always your best player but he was an intelligent leader. He's shown that now he's a fantastic pundit. I actually like him these days. I have no doubt he would have been a better captain on the pitch.

 

[saint.nick]

You all make good points, and I guess I have overlooked the fact that Gerrard is doing it tough without having one or two deputies.

But yeah, I think Carragher would have been better. I reckon it was only given to Stevie ahead of Carra because he was a star who could lead by example with wonderful performances. Also because you can't understand what Carra is saying :lol:

 

[Haffa]

How about Tottenham? Losing at home against that awful Newcastle team now sit closer to the drop zone then the top 4.

 

[saint.nick]

I knew that the hype around them at the start would quickly fizzle away...

 

[Jack_Napier]

I got what you meant mate.

The thing with Carragher was he offered was the smarts. He wasn't always your best player but he was an intelligent leader. He's shown that now he's a fantastic pundit. I actually like him these days. I have no doubt he would have been a better captain on the pitch.

Carra is actually being talked about as coming on board as a defensive coach for us. cant happen fast enough in my opinion. Totally agree about his work with Gary Neville as pundits for sky. They are brilliant to listen to dissect a game.

 

[saint.nick]

I don't know if they actually made an approach to carra, from what I understand it's just a job that he said he'd like to do