2015 Parramatta Leagues Club Election thread

[Jake the snake]

Piggy has been busy on twitter last night blocking everyone who asks a question that doesn't suit him.

He and EGJ are sledging the club deluxe.

Wondering what their true motives are TBH.

To get on the board.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Still Wondering how much of the 2013 football operations loss of 7 mill was Ricky.

Do you mean the players he cut?

Or his own severance package (which should be negligible...just accrued entitlements, as he was the person who activated his get out clause)?

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

But again they would need to get the football side from losing 5 million a year to making 3 million a year. That is an 8 million a year turn around.

So I will stand by my Idea of significant financial outlay with obvious means of supporting the club apart from a League club grant.

But while the leagues club is kicking in a large amount of money for football operations the members of the club and their elected representatives need to have a say. Now we just need some people to take their ego out of the equation.

That's why a i said 10-15m *Max*. Under the present setup, while is certainly true that the NRL operations as an independent set of revenues and expenses make significant losses, control of the NRL license gives indirect financial benefits to the holder. A simple example of this is the additional patronage of the LC. So the value of the license to a potential holder is a function of its ability to improve that holder's total profitability (cash flow generating ability) for the duration of the license (and any cash received when the license is sold/transferred at expiry).

Good luck with ego stuff. Agree 1000%, but the revealed behaviour of so many people involved doesn't inspire one with confidence. If it was just the West Kempsey Ladies Bowls Shopping Club that was at stake it would almost be funny.

 

[Chipmunk]

Candidate details here

http://www.myguestlist.com.au/mgl/link.php?lid=5542ed2fe9fc0&pid=4dcb3357d6955

I'm not a member so I won't be voting, but looking at all of the credentials of all of those people trying to get on the board I think I'd have to vote for the people from this Parra first team. They seem to be collectively the best credentialed individuals, plus stability is what the club really needs at this present time.

 

[Chipmunk]

But again they would need to get the football side from losing 5 million a year to making 3 million a year. That is an 8 million a year turn around.

So I will stand by my Idea of significant financial outlay with obvious means of supporting the club apart from a League club grant.

But while the leagues club is kicking in a large amount of money for football operations the members of the club and their elected representatives need to have a say. Now we just need some people to take their ego out of the equation.

What's the point of a not-for-profit operation making $3million?

Isn't the entire purpose of the club to fund the football team?

 

[emjaycee]

What's the point of a not-for-profit operation making $3million?

Isn't the entire purpose of the club to fund the football team?

To answer your first question..

As their name indicates, they operate on a 'not-for-profit' basis. While in some respects they are like private, for-profit companies, they differ from the latter in that they do not distribute any surplus or profit they might make to their members. This characteristic, part of the definition of a non-profit, does not mean that non-profits do not finish each financial year with a small excess of income over expenditure, or profit; most of them do. Like any private organisation, if a non-profit did not make a surplus in most years it would soon cease to exist. It does mean, however, that making the largest possible profit is not, and should not be, an objective of the organisation.

Source: http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/309CE684C5DA1915CA2570FF007F8C9B?OpenDocument

The answer to the second question as it relates to the PLC is NO. Funding the football team is only one component of their Primary Activities as documented in the Constitution, however i cant state the rest as i dont have the constitution available on my phone.

 

[Chipmunk]

To answer your first question..



Source: http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/309CE684C5DA1915CA2570FF007F8C9B?OpenDocument

The answer to the second question as it relates to the PLC is NO. Funding the football team is only one component of their Primary Activities as documented in the Constitution, however i cant state the rest as i dont have the constitution available on my phone.

Fair enough, but the club still made a profit. It then spent its profits, and then some more, on the entire original purpose that the organisation was set up for, to fund it's football team.

The constitution I'm guessing has been changed since the club commenced to comply with State regulations that have come into force in relation to politically incorrectly making money from your poker machine profits. You now have to give your money away to other parts of the community, other than the reason you originally intended.

 

[emjaycee]

basically the purpose is to promote/support sport of all types in the community.

But as per the last statement in the extract from the ABS, no profit would result in no business in a very short time.

 

[eel speel]

Piggy has been busy on twitter last night blocking everyone who asks a question that doesn't suit him.

He and EGJ are sledging the club deluxe.

Wondering what their true motives are TBH.

We all know what their true motives are - to help the ticket that Fitzy and Spags have got together. Can't wait till this election is over.

 

[eel speel]

I'm not a member so I won't be voting, but looking at all of the credentials of all of those people trying to get on the board I think I'd have to vote for the people from this Parra first team. They seem to be collectively the best credentialed individuals, plus stability is what the club really needs at this present time.

Agree that Parra first team is best credentials and the stability is what this club needs.

Not puppets for Fitzy or Spags.

 

[not graham olling]

When your opponents can't read or understand the constitution... they're essentially getting rid of themselves.

Well said Bartman. Can't have dumb people standing for election. Oh wait a minute I'm that dumb that I'll do what you want me to do Spags.

Oh Denis , Ray hardly said that I can help you bring publicity to you ticket by using my Twitter skills. I'm really a dragon but I can pretend to be an eel again.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

The constitution I'm guessing has been changed since the club commenced to comply with State regulations that have come into force in relation to politically incorrectly making money from your poker machine profits. You now have to give your money away to other parts of the community, other than the reason you originally intended.

The purpose of the club is 1) to provide facilities for members, and 2) promote Rugby League in the Parramatta district.

That has not changed for a while.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Interesting in this article that Prices Membership card has no photo, and was according to the club not paid for and was posted to him . . . .

https://au.news.yahoo.com/video/watch/27507761/price-lashes-out-at-the-eels/#page1

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Dumb stuff from Ben Smith... not only is he disqualified from standing, but looks like he's out of a part-time job now too?

Without seeing the exact provisions / by-laws, I'm surprised that they can ban Ben Smith if he he has now ceased working for the club, and is no longer a creditor of the club.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Interesting in this article that Prices Membership card has no photo, and was according to the club not paid for and was posted to him . . . .

https://au.news.yahoo.com/video/watch/27507761/price-lashes-out-at-the-eels/#page1

So he's an honorary member right? You have to be financial to stand.

 

[I bleed blue & gold]

I think they are saying Smith was still working for the club when he was nominated.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I think they are saying Smith was still working for the club when he was nominated.

Fair enough, bit vaguer when he's a contractor. I want Sharpie's lot to stay on, but this is just seems a bit unnecessary, and likely to amplify the constant tit-for-tat childishness that seems to be the hobby of most people who get involved in these elections. As an outsider who doesn't have any particular affinity with the LC....it just make you shake your head and look to the heavens.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

But this could be information and advice handed down by the returning officer? Who would be risking his job if he handed down the incorrect rulings.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Fair enough, bit vaguer when he's a contractor. I want Sharpie's lot to stay on, but this is just seems a bit unnecessary, and likely to amplify the constant tit-for-tat childishness that seems to be the hobby of most people who get involved in these elections. As an outsider who doesn't have any particular affinity with the LC....it just make you shake your head and look to the heavens.

I wonder if sharp has anything to do with, surely with such a high profile election an independent organisation will run it and scrutinise candidates.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

But this could be information and advice handed down by the returning officer? Who would be risking his job if he handed down the incorrect rulings.

Sure, hard to say given that the club's constitution doesn't seem to be publicly available. The nomination form only asks the nominee to assert that they will make disclosures if they are elected as a director (s13), but I guess it falls into whatever the constitution says (s4 of nomination form). Anyone know if there is a copy of the constitution available (or just the relevant section)?