2016/17 Summer of Cricket

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

and, yet, excluding the 1st test of this series, SOK averages 36.7 at SR of 80.00 in his other 6 tests. These things can change pretty quickly OMC. I'm not of the mind that GOAT is a heaps better bowler than SOK. They are very different in approach. Bouncy wickets suit the GOAT without a doubt. Wickets with irregular, and sometimes low bounce suit the SOKmonster.

 

[Happy MEel]

So Basil Brush, SOK has more wickets and a better average than Lyon this series, but Lyon has been the better bowler and deserves to keep his spot whilst SOK is dropped for Agar.

Hmmm....I think Basil Brush may be Rod Marsh.

 

[Happy MEel]

and, yet, excluding the 1st test of this series, SOK averages 36.7 at SR of 80.00 in his other 6 tests. These things can change pretty quickly OMC. I'm not of the mind that GOAT is a heaps better bowler than SOK. They are very different in approach. Bouncy wickets suit the GOAT without a doubt. Wickets with irregular, and sometimes low bounce suit the SOKmonster.

Can we exclude Lyon's 2nd test then? His figures would make for much worse reading than SOK's.

Edit: just realised you're talking about career stats but I don't like putting qualifiers on things such as "if you exclude such and such" because "such and such" actually happened.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

I will reveal which of you blokes I'm backing to the hilt in a few days' time.

 

[Happy MEel]

They are very different in approach. Bouncy wickets suit the GOAT without a doubt. Wickets with irregular, and sometimes low bounce suit the SOKmonster.

Probably the most rational thing that has been said in this thread for a few days.

Based on this and assuming we want to win as many games as possible, shouldn't we take a horses for courses approach with our spinning options rather than an incumbency approach?

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Black Caviar never raced in a single Melbourne Cup...

 

[Twizzle]

neither has Winks

 

[Happy MEel]

But Lyon is a GOAT, not a horse.

 

[Bazal]

Basil Brush, you are kidding yourself!

Whether or not anyone watches any cricket at all, the numbers on the SOK vs Lyon thing speak for themselves. SOK has a better FC record, and, unsurprisingly, a better test record. In both formats SOK is more economical, has a better strike rate, and gets more wickets per game.
You say Lyon hasn't played much FC cricket? He was played 46 non-test FC games, SOK has 62. There really isn't much of a difference.

The aim of the game as a bowler is, ultimately, to take wickets. SOK gets more of them, faster, at a cheaper rate than Lyon. That's the story. You can't write it any other way.


I spoke to this bloke years ago who was convinced that Neil Harvey was a better batsman than Don Bradman. Was it you Basil Brush????

I wouldn't say SOK is obviously better. Just from my perspective that was never my point. My point was that, statistically, SOK has been robbed of opportunity at times whilst Lyon has been given the cushiest ride in Australian cricket.

SOK could have been better. We'll never know

 

[Twizzle]

he's hung like a goat, SOK is hung like a horse

 

[Bazal]

neither has Winks

But what about Winx?

 

[oldmancraigy]

and, yet, excluding the 1st test of this series, SOK averages 36.7 at SR of 80.00 in his other 6 tests. These things can change pretty quickly OMC. I'm not of the mind that GOAT is a heaps better bowler than SOK. They are very different in approach. Bouncy wickets suit the GOAT without a doubt. Wickets with irregular, and sometimes low bounce suit the SOKmonster.

Maybe I'm looking at the wrong numbers, but SOK has better numbers than GOAT against every nation that SOK has played against, AND in FC cricket in Australia.
Excluding 1 of his 7 tests is akin to taking to excluding the best 9 of Lyon's 66 tests... doesn't make much sense.

Lyon is the kind of guy who busts out the occasional haul, but he's generally pretty ordinary.

 

[Twizzle]

But what about Winx?

shows how much I punt

 

[strider]

Black Caviar never raced in a single Melbourne Cup...

Take it to the horse racing arguments thread buddy

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Probably the most rational thing that has been said in this thread for a few days.

Based on this and assuming we want to win as many games as possible, shouldn't we take a horses for courses approach with our spinning options rather than an incumbency approach?

Yep. If the pitches are sufficiently 'abnormal'.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Can we exclude Lyon's 2nd test then? His figures would make for much worse reading than SOK's.

Edit: just realised you're talking about career stats but I don't like putting qualifiers on things such as "if you exclude such and such" because "such and such" actually happened.

Yeh, my overall point (poorly expressed) was actually that SOK's test figures are going to be pretty volatile until he has played more games. So a comparison of the Test records is pretty noisy. Particularly when you consider that, as the '2nd spinner' (presently), SOK is going to tend to play on the more spin-friendly wickets, and the '1st spinner' tends to play in a broader set of conditions.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Take it to the horse racing arguments thread buddy

I would but you should see the state of that thread. It's practically x-rated.

 

[Bazal]

Kohli ruled out.

Potentially replaced with a debutant left arm spinner.

Everything coming up Milhouse so far

 

[hineyrulz]

He's done a Gangles, weak as piss.

 

[Bazal]

Toss won....awesome