2016 Coach Rumour

[WT Unity]

Maybe O'Neill and Payten see themselves as former WESTS TIGERS players!

 

[benched tiger]

Lets be realistic,anyone with a clip board and some people skills could do a better job than that muppet thats in the coaches job atm.

 

[Maccathelegend]

Forget Kimmorley, he wanted out! He seen how much of a circus the place was. If their serious about wanting to be successful they need to spend big dollars on a big name coach so they can attract decent players to the joint. They simply can not compete with other clubs with the roster they have, take a note out of Parramattas book & do something... Cheat if you have to,everyone else does. Or simply stay bottom dwellers for a couple more years & then eventually perish!!

 

[Old Time Tiger]

Forget Kimmorley

who mentioned Kimmorley?

they need to spend big dollars on a big name coach

who's a big name coach? I assume that you mean Cleary as he is unemployed at the moment however, there are coaches who have learnt their trade by being assistant coaches, e.g.

Trent Barrett at Manly, was he a big name coach? he only ever coached NSW Country as a stand alone gig 4 years but only 4 weeks as coach all up and then he had assistant gigs under Cleary at Penrith & Daley for NSW.

Brad Arthur at Parra, has 'assisted' at Storm under Bellemy & Kearney and at Manly under Toovey.

What the Tigers need is someone who can communicate with the players and bind them together, they need someone who the young guys will be happy to play under (which is why the young guys have mentioned their previous coach who is the assistant at the Cowboys) as a team, not someone who publicly puts down a club captain, they need someone who can communicate with the press as well and more importantly, thinks before he speaks. Unlike JT.

 

[Tiger05]

^^^

There is a lot wrong with JT isn't there. He doesn't handle himself well.

 

[macnaz]

Im over it , the players have to stop making excuses and wanting to pick their coach.
They have to work with the coach and make things happen instead of sooking and white anting every time things dont go their way.

 

[macnaz]

Im still 50 / 50 on JT , but ill ask a few questions .
Was there ever any leaks , player discontent at the Roosters ? Was there ever any issues between him and Trent Robinson ? If he is as big a prick and hopeless as is made out then why was he happily employed by the Roosters.
Just like Potter they some how turn to shit at our club it seems.

Would you call Trent Robinson a great coach to attract players .. or is he a great coach now because the money and club attracted his great players ?

 

[Tiger05]

Macnaz - I agree the players have to work with the coach and I am also not writing JT off. My criticism of JT is that he was pretty poor last year.

As for attracting players my opinion is that 90% of the time it comes down to money.

 

[macnaz]

Yeah he seemed poor I agree , but its possible to say players and assistant coaches may have contributed to that as well . I understand a coach has to be able to motivate the players to follow his directions , which didnt appear to happen though.
In saying that coming from a club like the Roosters where they dont need to put up with selfish ego's as money will just replace them with another player .WT i feel tend to try keep their stars happy anyway possible because they cannot be easily replaced and that develops a spoilt brat type mentality.
Just a thought , probably all BS though lol

 

[Old Time Tiger]

There is a lot wrong with JT isn't there. He doesn't handle himself well.

Yes Tiger05 and the Chairperson has a media background and yet JT has and no doubt will continue to have some very bad days when it comes to the press and speaking 1st and then thinking rather than the other way around.

the players have to stop making excuses and wanting to pick their coach.

macnaz, the article the other day mentioned Brooks and Moses, perhaps they to need to think before speaking to the press, they no doubt would love to see Payten back as their coach as he bought them and others up through the 20's. I don't think they are making excuses but they now just have to get on with it and earn the dollars that they are being played.

macnaz, I don't think the Roosters would have put up with leaks, the Tigers on the other hand were not well run from the back office and then rightly or wrongly we had Farah apparently :roll: saying something to Tallis (the press again) and we know what happened then.

In regards to the assistant coach, does it come back to Payten? maybe because wasn't he supposedly being groomed to take over from Sheens? I wonder how he gets along with Green at the Cowboys?

If players, lets use Farah, he was team and club captain and I think he would have and should have had a big influence on the likes of Brooks and Moses coming into 1st grade, however, there had to and has to be going forward a time and mark when they the captain has to stop and think about 'their role, how far do they go' etc. i.e. lead by example. Lets hope Woods gets that part right.

The following I saw online a couple of years ago and saved it, change the word manager to coach (although there won't be any coaches with MBA's) but we have all seen this in the workforce.

A real hands on manager – you can’t pretend this type of thing from 9 to 5 – you must be it!

It is so obvious to me how modern "management" very often falls short of the simple stuff, over the last few years the main types of management taught on the various "Xmas bauble" MBA courses are in a word, not worth the paper they are written on.

Certainly most of the new styles of management I have come across are based on bullying, threats , blame culture and some bizarre artificial "team" dreamt up by FAR (Human resources rephrased to indicate F*** All Resources), if I see a company slogan or mission statement that combines the words "passionate" or "value people" .

I run a mile.

Teams evolve naturally on mutual respect, sincerity, trust and a willingness to help and look out for your colleagues, neither, of which are part of the modern management technique, which cannot co-exist with this model. You cannot artificially force a team to work unless they want to, and you certainly cannot conjure up sincerity through threat.

You can't learn this (at least not from a useless and fashionable MBA course) it has to come naturally and confidently, there is nothing wrong with confidence, but with it must come humility and self-doubt, otherwise you are a conceited ******.

Which sadly, most modern managers are.

 

[macnaz]

I can definitely relate to that article at work .

 

[benched tiger]

I can definitely relate to that article at work .

x2 :roll:

 

[super_coach]

Taylor deserves a fair crack like any other coach. If people think anyone else could have done any better with our roster last year they are delude.. Football clubs are full of egos and personalities and it takes time for a coach to learn how to deal with individuals within the group and of course the same can be said of the players and their relationship with the coach.

 

[Tigerted]

Taylor is a major league dickhead.He has a history of behaving like a dickhead,he talks like a dickhead & he looks like a dickhead.This infantile is not fit to be a man manager/coach of a group of elite athletes.

Notwithstanding the fact that our roster isn't great there are plenty of coaches who would've done a lot better with this team in '15.A number of players with a tonne of ability went backwards last year !

 

[magpie4ever]

Taylor is a major league dickhead.He has a history of behaving like a dickhead,he talks like a dickhead & he looks like a dickhead.This infantile is not fit to be a man manager/coach of a group of elite athletes.

Notwithstanding the fact that our roster isn't great there are plenty of coaches who would've done a lot better with this team in '15.A number of players with a tonne of ability went backwards last year !

Tell me Chump, do you have a problem with Taylor - every bloody post.

I think this puts you in the dickhead class.

 

[madunit]

Taylor coild be a good coach. He turned Souths around in a short time and his brief stint ag Parra wasn't disgraceful.

His problem was that he wad the wrong coach for us.

We needed Nathan Brown. He's a techically better version of Potter, and as better communicator with his players too.

Taylor tried to change everything overnight when thr club was in the middle of a transition under Potter which was the wrong approach.

He needs to bring vastly improved results this year otherwise the club will again have to cut its losses and start transition phase #3 in 4 years.

 

[Old Time Tiger]

Here we go again :roll:
From the Daily Telegraph - Sport Confidential today.

All is not well in the Tigers' lair
This isn't what you want to hear if you are a Wests Tigers supporter.
Sports Confidential has been told by several ever-reliable source that everything isn't hunky-dory at Concord.
No doubt this will be denied but we understand there is still simmering tension around the club and some of the younger players are confused about their role and the politics.

And another piece that makes you think, well me at least, if it's from Concord as well, both pieces use the word politics.

Which NRL club CEO is under increasing pressure?
Our man is doing a fair job but cannot seem to overcome club politics.
Stress may eventually push him out of his $350,000-a-year gig.

 

[gordsy]

Here we go again :roll:
From the Daily Telegraph - Sport Confidential today.

And another piece that makes you think, well me at least, if it's from Concord as well, both pieces use the word politics


Which NRL club CEO is under increasing pressure?
Our man is doing a fair job but cannot seem to overcome club politics.
Stress may eventually push him out of his $350,000-a-year gig. .

I think we only paid 150 for Pascoe. Well according to posts on other forums anyway.

 

[Ned Kelly]

"we understand there is still simmering tension around the club and some of the younger players are confused about their role and the politics."

I had noticed a number of the "younger" players talking about how good it was to have Robbie around and the change in direction from what Jason Taylor had brought with him to the playing style to more of what our stars of the future wanted.

True enough and I love to hear players talking their truth but I'm sure Taylor hated it.

I hope support isn't thrown at Taylor at the expense of the players and Pascoe.

I love what Pascoe is doing and I want him to be around for many years. There are not many CEO's of Pascoe's ability. There are quite a few coaches equal to or better than Jason Taylor.

 

[Tiger05]

Whoever employed Taylor really stuffed up but I'm hopeful the whole team turns it around this year including Taylor.