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2016 T20 World Cup in India

WaznTheGreat

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20/20 World Cup is completely meaningless until Australia wins one,only than will then will it bring respectability to this disgrace when a true powerhous egraces the winner's circle
 

vvvrulz

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Gayle's availability is on his terms though is it not? That is not on a central contract available for all cricket, but to pick and choose around his T20 leagues? So last year he was "too injured" to play tests in Australia, but could still play BBL?

I'm pretty certain Gayle actually public ally stated he was available for test selection in Oz.

Sammy was a terrible test bowler - no penetration at all. can give low E/R - but struggles to get wickets. He is a good captain, and that is how he kept the job for so long with his useful tail end batting, but he is a passenger in the test team, just as he was in the T20 side in reality. He is lucky that Pollard was injured so to keep his own spot secure for the tournament.

I'd have played Sammy for his captaincy, useful tail end batting and a good enough fourth seam option. He'd have flourished with a decent team around him, he couldn't do crap coming in 60/5 or opening the bowling.

Sammy vs Pollard is a very interesting topic, both with pretty atrocious records but one is respected and gutsy trier while the other loaded with ability but is lazy and aloof
 

ANTiLAG

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I'm pretty certain Gayle actually public ally stated he was available for test selection in Oz.



I'd have played Sammy for his captaincy, useful tail end batting and a good enough fourth seam option. He'd have flourished with a decent team around him, he couldn't do crap coming in 60/5 or opening the bowling.

Sammy vs Pollard is a very interesting topic, both with pretty atrocious records but one is respected and gutsy trier while the other loaded with ability but is lazy and aloof

Gayle has said he is not retired but was not available for OZ tests last year due to injury.

A specialist captain is a luxury any losing team struggles to keep as the team needs to be better. Jason Holder is a better bowling option long term than Sammy, who has declined, and Holder's batting is comming on nicely. Even if you think that Holder will remain a spud, Sammy is just a different test spud.

But most their t20 stars bar Gayle are not strong test players let alone world class test cricketers. They need out and out bowlers and batsmen, not all rounders with clever slower balls effective for 4 overs of run containment and death bowling and sloggers with 140+ SR who can hit huge 6's.

Think of a test team with Sammy, Dre Russ, Pollard, DJ Bravo, to go with current test players Braithwaite and Holder supporting specialists D Bravo, M Samuels, Taylor and Roach. It is still horrible. Even if you drop Holder, Roach and Taylor.

They need better specialists, with one or two all rounders, not a team of them.

Jason Holder will hopefully keep improving. He needs his bowling average to drop, but his batting is getting very sound. They had a star fast bowler at the U-19s with real pace. Alzarri Joseph, so hopefully he becomes a gun. Roach is not bad, but they desperately need far more runs from the specialist batsmen.

Sammy, they should sign up already for coaching or team manager, just give him a role with the team when available. He is a great leader and mentor in the making.
 
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I only came here to say that I am glad that the f**king Indians didn't win it and it's given Windies fans something to smile about for a while.

f**k A.D.D cricket.
 

vvvrulz

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Jason Holder is a better bowling option long term than Sammy, who has declined, and Holder's batting is comming on nicely. Even if you think that Holder will remain a spud, Sammy is just a different test spud.

Holder is way better than Sammy as a player but captaincy has hampered him, he should never have been made captain. I hope they stick with him, he'll become a gun all-rounder if they persist.

Agree that pretty much none of the T20 crop deserve a test spot. There is potential there though, they could build a team around Gayle, Samuels, Kraigg and Carlos, DM Bravo, Holder, Ramdin for starters. Get Narine back, if the ICC let him free for anything non IPL (corrupt bastards). Pace attack is a problem, they need another proper tearaway quick. Taylor is getting past it and Roach isn't delivering. Whatever happened to Adrian Barath?

Point is, they've got enough to form a half decent test team.
 

ANTiLAG

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Holder is way better than Sammy as a player but captaincy has hampered him, he should never have been made captain. I hope they stick with him, he'll become a gun all-rounder if they persist.

Agree that pretty much none of the T20 crop deserve a test spot. There is potential there though, they could build a team around Gayle, Samuels, Kraigg and Carlos, DM Bravo, Holder, Ramdin for starters. Get Narine back, if the ICC let him free for anything non IPL (corrupt bastards). Pace attack is a problem, they need another proper tearaway quick. Taylor is getting past it and Roach isn't delivering. Whatever happened to Adrian Barath?

Point is, they've got enough to form a half decent test team.

Narine was a bit ordinary in tests (40). There was hope that Bishoo (38) would kick on, but even he has been in and out of the team, but Warrican (46) has been ordinary as heck.

A lot of fans, yourself included, rate K Braithwaite. I think it is due in part that he is so orthodox as a batsman. But I think after 27 tests to be averaging 34, it is time for him to follow on from those 2 50's in Australia to confirm that he is a test certainty for the team. He has been invested with heavily, and it is time for him to demonstrate it was worth it. He may well do so.

S Hope has been terrible. J Blackwood has below ordinary. Leaving DM Bravo as the superstar batsman of the team averaging 41. Samuels has been a spud since 2012, bar 3 tests in Safrica where he made some runs. Even Ramdin as the keeper is only averaging 25.

Johnson Charles having made the ODI team, and been a regular, demonstrates just how dire the batting is getting over there. If you think his numbers are okay, then look at Andre Fletcher playing as a specialist batsman which he has for 2/3 of his matches. He averages less than 18!

Barath also failed to kick on. Leon Johnson was meant to be a bright hope, but he was dropped despite averaging 39 at least in tests. He had another dominant home FC season. Their bowlers coming through from domestic have a whole heap of spinners (9/10 top wicket takers) but they seem to prefer T20 circuits once having made a name for themselves. And there are strange selections;

Nikita Miller 400 FC wickets at 16 - 1 test.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=10611;type=tournament


http://stats.espncricinfo.com/wicb-regional-4-day-2015-16/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=10611;type=tournament

About time Roston Chase got a look at I would think (as a batsman who can also bowl very well - bowling average under 24 and Barbados are relying on him as a frontline bat and bowler now).
 
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