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2016 T20 World Cup in India

JW

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Good on em. Dusted up the Indians and Poms in succession, put Stokes in his place and we get a choice quote about Warnie as well. Good to see some of that classic Windies swagger back, even if it is just hit and giggle.
 

Front-Rower

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This tournament is a bit like the consolation competitions run for the teams that aren't quite good enough for the real thing. Glad it's over and the circus is leaving town.
 

Mr Spock!

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I look at it like Rugby sevens.

West Indies are like Fiji in the sevens.

Crap at the real thing but great at the short form.

Some of them mightn't be playing again after their comments.
 

Twizzle

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I wonder how long Warnies career in the media will last.

He really brings his personal agendas to the commentary box and with the amount of agendas he has it could be his undoing.
 

Hutty1986

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Decent effort Windies. Now win some actual cricket games and maybe then the world will start taking your blokes seriously
 

Mr Spock!

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I think test players should be on ICC contracts.

The situation with many countries and their boards paying peanuts is just ludicrous.

Sammy, the captain of the team and the man who led the West Indies to the 2012 World Twenty20 title, earlier this week wrote to the WICB asking them to reconsider what he described as an 80 per cent pay cut in players’ fees for the tournament.

Sammy claims that players have been offered just USD 6,900 per match in India with around USD 27,600 to be made if a player features throughout the tournament.

In their 2012 title winning campaign, however, the captain said payments ranged from almost USD 60,000 to more than USD 135,000. - See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/sp...es-stars-in-pay-dispute/#sthash.TrlY7oVP.dpuf
 

Horrie Is God

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Test cricket is like having a meal cooked by a great chef..

20/20 is like eating Maccas, it does the job, but you know it's shit..
 

ANTiLAG

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I think test players should be on ICC contracts.

The situation with many countries and their boards paying peanuts is just ludicrous.


The 15 man squad gets 3.5 million USD for winning from the ICC for themselves (most teams give some to the coaches on tour and maybe the physio).

But Sammy at 27,600 gets more than 1,500 per delivery he bowled or more than 3,000 USD for each run he scored.
 
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blaza88z

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T20 has ruined cricket for the once great West Indies

sure, they're a great T20 unit but other than that..
 

vvvrulz

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T20 has ruined cricket for the once great West Indies

sure, they're a great T20 unit but other than that..

They'd be a lot better if their board looked after them.
Loads of talent there, enough to at least compete with the best in all forms of the game.
 

ANTiLAG

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They'd be a lot better if their board looked after them.
Loads of talent there, enough to at least compete with the best in all forms of the game.


I'm led to believe that they're paid more than NZC'ers vvvrulz. Just sayin'.

How many allrounders of Pollard (more a batsman in whites) Dre Russ (does not like bowling in long form cricket), DJ Bravo, Sammy (ineffective test bowler) and Braithwaite would actually make the test team anyway?

Keep in mind Braithwaite is still in the test team at this stage.

Gayle is a loss, no doubt, but he is older than BMac now.

It has been said before but the likes of Dre Russ and Badree have no real function in test cricket, and with Jason Holder captain and developing already, how many all rounders are needed? Badree has hardly been needed for ODI cricket with Narine starring previously.

WI board no doubt has issues. It is fractitious with all those competing countries, cultural differences and seems to lack good governance. But the West Indies test performances on field are a result of them lacking ace test bowlers (athletics steals a lot of young talent) and ace batsmen. Not more sloggy allrounders like Braithwaite. Their t20 strength of low e/r spinners and sloggy allrounders are not test guns. Even DJ Bravo, a player I am a fan of, had his test career dwindling after bright peaks on Strayan tours.

I have no issues with them being ODI mercenaries as a professional cricketers are free to maximize their earnings before the game is taken away from them; just as I would have no issues with Colin de Grandhomme or Andy Ellis, if they were more so talented, from doing the same. But they are prioritizing their more highly paid franchise T20 events and not making themselves available under a full central contract. With the exception of Gayle, it is T20 cricket that has made these guys the superstar names they are in cricket, but outside the Big 3, ICC test members still have to pay the test and ODI cricketers, and the domestic FC pathway cricket. Yes, a couple, or more of these T20 superstars slot straight into the ODI team, but not all of them. But they need to centrally contract players who are available all the time, not when it suits as there is no lucrative T20 tournament on.

Outside the Big 3, talent will continue to retire or be unavailable. NZ has a major problem now with the PSL - Grant Elliot, albeit at 37 years of age, has retired from ODI cricket - after he said earlier this year that he wanted to be at the next World Cup. The PSL - which he became famous in for his bowling, is a February tournament- and clashes with the NZ/WI summer. The Pakistanis were inviting Adam Milne to play as it was. Invitations to these T20 leagues for non current test players will continue.

Those who do not play test cricket, as well as ODI and T20, and are lower on central contracts or do not get one, are more inclined to maximise their earnings on the t20 circuits and only be avilable to their nations on a more limited basis. What the Windies T20 players are demanding are higher match payments, which are roughly equivalent if not already higher than NZ pays our players. They want to take from the funds for test cricketers (and odi players) from the central contract fund.

Darren Sammy is free to voice the financial interests of the T20 specialists wanting more money, and good on him, but outside the big 3, funds are far more limited in retaining talent for longer versions of the game. It will continue to grow as an issue in world cricket. The T20 specialists are basically asking for a reallocation of priorities in funding - to the t20 version of the game and not the test or domestic cricket side. There are only so many Indian tours and ICC event funds that go into the West Indies coffers, just like Safrica, NZ, Sri Lanka and Pakistan.

I can understand their frustration that players of the big 3 countries are paid so much more handsomely than them, even when their talent is less, but unfortunately for them, they represent a mere 6 million or so people in the Carribean islands. Not 1.25 billion Indians, 23 million cricket mad Australians, or 50 million wealthy English persons. They're not a big 3 nation.

NZC paid a mere NZ $3,500.00 per ODI game and $2,348 per T20. These West Indians are getting at least $6,900 USD for a T20 game - if not more! They do not have it too bad. But they continue to fight for more money. Such is their right.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/69833566/Kane-Williamson-top-Mitchell-Santner-the-new-face-on-NZ-Cricket-contract-list

http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/icc-world-t20-viv-richards-bats-for-west-indies-stars-in-pay-dispute/

KW - if playing every T20, ODI, and test gets $350,000.00, BMac previously was on similar money. But BMac has IPL deals worth more than a million and bonuses, prize money etc if he is available for all games - especially the finals. It cost him a lot of money to play tests in England last year! This is the T20 reality for nations outside the big 3.

I understand that the West Indies are even as it stands, getting a fraction more more than NZC from the ICC:

http://www.totalsportek.com/cricket/new-icc-revenue-sharing-model/

The numbers may vary from site to site but invariably NZ is ranked below the West Indies and only above Bangas and Zimbos.

Steyn and ABDV have also voiced discontent recently. The superstars from non Big 3 (and even Straya and England) countries are better off on a franchise cricket calendar dominated model of elite sport and not an international cricket model - like ice hockey, basketball and soccer players, outside olympics and world cups (with a window of availability for qualifying and international friendlies). Obviously the NHL or NBA cricket equivalent would be located in India should it eventuate (unless cricket becomes an Olympic sport liked by the Chinese where they have the population and resources to implement the same or competing - EPL as against La Liga, for lack of a better alternative, or NRL v SL, again lack of a better alternative, or even better - find that they prefer international cricket and vote accordingly in the ICC for redistribution).

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/889289.html
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/michael-clarke-and-david-warner-50-million-targets-of-new-rebel-cricket-league-20150430-1mwvad.html

This is why so many experts are predicting the death of test cricket in the next 5,10 or 20 years. If 1.25 billion Indians want an 8 month or longer IPL with 15-25+ teams then they have the cities, grounds, population and economy to fund it, just like USA likes Ice Hockey and Basketball.
 
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vvvrulz

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Damn Antilag, some good points but tangent much?

Anyway I was referring noṭ only to cash but also politics, lack of support and morale, and selection issues
Gayle is available for tests, as was Chanders and neither were picked
Sure they're old but the newbies were hopeless, Sanga and Jaya are good examples of old men delivering

Pollard and DJ dumped before world cup
Ramdin furious at Viv
Holder given the worst hospital pass
They don't seem to be doing much for Narines constant bans
Taylor and Roach are way better than what they turn out on the park
Sammy imo should be always there as a leader of men and for his heart, he won't get Sobers numbers but he'll try his guts out and do enough

Just examples of things an administration should be solving
 

jargan83

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More Maccas on the way with the IPL staring Sunday, no sign of a chef...

Is the IPL even screened in Australia anymore? I recall reading an article last year saying BCCI's asking price was too high and no Aussie broadcaster wanted to the pay for it.
 

Mr Angry

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The Windies board and their politics is why they are where they are.

They have the talent, there is no doubt.

They need use the Indians, let the boys IPL and earn good money, schedule around it, let them know that is why, let them know that they want them playing test cricket and ODIs, they cannot pay as much as others, hence why they scheduled around where they can.

But that would co-operation from a fractured board.

Fish stinks from the head down.
 

Mr Angry

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Is the IPL even screened in Australia anymore? I recall reading an article last year saying BCCI's asking price was too high and no Aussie broadcaster wanted to the pay for it.
Aussies probably would not watch, does not matter, generates enough in India.
 

ANTiLAG

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Damn Antilag, some good points but tangent much?

Anyway I was referring noṭ only to cash but also politics, lack of support and morale, and selection issues
Gayle is available for tests, as was Chanders and neither were picked
Sure they're old but the newbies were hopeless, Sanga and Jaya are good examples of old men delivering

Pollard and DJ dumped before world cup
Ramdin furious at Viv
Holder given the worst hospital pass
They don't seem to be doing much for Narines constant bans
Taylor and Roach are way better than what they turn out on the park
Sammy imo should be always there as a leader of men and for his heart, he won't get Sobers numbers but he'll try his guts out and do enough

Just examples of things an administration should be solving

Chanders was dropped for not making runs. A bit harshly many think given he was so close to Lara's record and the replacement options were chumps. But he was over 40 and not making runs, the axe fell. I thought he deserved a home match send off and planned retirement, after all those years of great service - but it did not fall that way for him.

Gayle's availability is on his terms though is it not? That is not on a central contract available for all cricket, but to pick and choose around his T20 leagues? So last year he was "too injured" to play tests in Australia, but could still play BBL? Interestingly, Greg Chappell did something similar in his later playing days with Australia, and declined overseas tours to Pakistan and India due to work commitments. So these issues are not new to cricket, just new in that T20 is the more highly paid (or longer career) competing office job.

Sammy was a terrible test bowler - no penetration at all. can give low E/R - but struggles to get wickets. He is a good captain, and that is how he kept the job for so long with his useful tail end batting, but he is a passenger in the test team, just as he was in the T20 side in reality. He is lucky that Pollard was injured so to keep his own spot secure for the tournament. Narine is also part of the "T20 WI crew" - but has played a lot of ODI for WI in recent times.

As far the tangent points, I see what is happening with the WI T20 players wanting more money, as part of one issue facing international cricket: player professionalism and the global demand for cricket. The West Indies are almost a case study for the non Big 3 nations.
 
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ANTiLAG

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The Windies board and their politics is why they are where they are.

They have the talent, there is no doubt.

They need use the Indians, let the boys IPL and earn good money, schedule around it, let them know that is why, let them know that they want them playing test cricket and ODIs, they cannot pay as much as others, hence why they scheduled around where they can.

But that would co-operation from a fractured board.

Fish stinks from the head down.

Sammy, Dre Russ, Pollard (with Bratihwaite already in the team) and Badree are not going to win test matches.

WI needs a new Gibbs, Ambrose, Roberts, Holding and Marshall. They need a new Greendige and Haynes with a Clive LLoyd in the middle order. That is if they cannot get a new Sobers, Headley, Richards or Lara.
 
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