2017 Crowd Watch

[dogz08]

i think the titans v sharks game could get 20k

 

[Timmah]

Only if the Sharks fans fill half the stadium.

 

[Perth Red]

I'll ad a rider to that, play all 26 Origins in Perth.Then PR gets the benefit of two classy home teams to follow.

well one at least, the other just turns up to make it a game.

 

[Perth Red]

2015
Dragons just scraped into the 8
Eels biggest crowd drawer 12th
Tigers when high up big following 15th
Knights big fan base last.
BTW wasn't 2015 the day the cat2 cyclone hit the Sharks v Souths game on a Monday night ,4,000 in attendance, a few in wet suits.Even on a Monday night given decent weather 11-12,000 would have been in attendance.I refused to battle falling trees and rain that moved sideways.

No season ever has ALL the top drawing teams in the 8! Each season usually has between 4-6 good crowd teams in the 8. Statistically as there has been a consistent pattern of attendance then you can be confident that the make up of the 8 or the weather isn't the deciding factor of avg over 16k or avg under 16k. Cronulla traditionally have a below avg attendance anyway so their weather blips wont make much difference.

 

[taipan]

well one at least, the other just turns up to make it a game.

Good to see your excited.You'd still whine though ,the seating is too expensive.

 

[taipan]

No season ever has ALL the top drawing teams in the 8! Each season usually has between 4-6 good crowd teams in the 8. Statistically as there has been a consistent pattern of attendance then you can be confident that the make up of the 8 or the weather isn't the deciding factor of avg over 16k or avg under 16k. Cronulla traditionally have a below avg attendance anyway so their weather blips wont make much difference.

Geez champ sometimes one loses patience.
The record season was it not 2005 for crowd averages.
Might I spell out the ladder
1.EEls Sydney's biggest drawing club
2.Dragons another with a big supporter base
3.Broncos,Who would argue about their base
4.Tigers(who won the G/F) with a huge base when doing well.
5 Cows a decent crowd puller
6 Storm
7 Sharks
8 Eagles

Your top 4 teams in that year are arguably apart from Souths, the biggest crowd pullers.

You cannot ignore the specific teams on the ladder,you cannot ignore the games they played at home grounds against high supported teams, you cannot ignore scheduling, factor in weather etc etc.,you cannot ignore if any played in country our regional areas.

Never suggested the Sharks were big crowd puller, nor the Eagles nor the Storm nor I suggest a Perth side.They Sharks already have 15,200 members a record ,and will be financially better of than most in a few years.And anywise the Sharks averages compared to other Sydney higher teams is not that much less.And compared to Broncos with 2m people and 30,000 average crowds,the Sharks by comparison haul in a higher % of the population pro rata than the Broncos.

 

[Stallion]

Their will be more for the knights game.

 

[Perth Red]

Geez champ sometimes one loses patience.
The record season was it not 2005 for crowd averages.
Might I spell out the ladder
1.EEls Sydney's biggest drawing club
2.Dragons another with a big supporter base
3.Broncos,Who would argue about their base
4.Tigers(who won the G/F) with a huge base when doing well.
5 Cows a decent crowd puller
6 Storm
7 Sharks
8 Eagles

Your top 4 teams in that year are arguably apart from Souths, the biggest crowd pullers.

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Thanks for confirming my statistical analysis that most years in the last decade have between 4 and 6 of the top drawing clubs in the top 8. Now explain why despite this the last 5 years crowds have been sub 16k, clearly not due to less than 4-5 top drawing teams being in the top 8!

 

[Clifferd]

Thanks for confirming my statistical analysis that most years in the last decade have between 4 and 6 of the top drawing clubs in the top 8. Now explain why despite this the last 5 years crowds have been sub 16k, clearly not due to less than 4-5 top drawing teams being in the top 8!

Imo, the top 6 drawing clubs with top 8 success in no particular order apart from Brisbane

Brisbane
Tigers
Parra
Knights
Bulldogs
Dragons

Feature these 6 teams in your finals series and barring rain would have a season record for crowd avg.

 

[Perth Red]

Imo, the top 6 drawing clubs with top 8 success in no particular order apart from Brisbane

Brisbane
Tigers
Parra
Knights
Bulldogs
Dragons

Feature these 6 teams in your finals series and barring rain would have a season record for crowd avg.

Undoubtedly but that isn't the point lol. What I am trying to ascertain is why we had a consistent number of years over 16k avg and then the last 5 years consistently sub 16k avg. and it isn't due to the clubs in the to 8 every year.
What has changed in the last 5 years to cause the crowd drop off?

 

[Clifferd]

Undoubtedly but that isn't the point lol. What I am trying to ascertain is why we had a consistent number of years over 16k avg and then the last 5 years consistently sub 16k avg. and it isn't due to the clubs in the to 8 every year.
What has changed in the last 5 years to cause the crowd drop off?

Probably lack of entertaining football in my opinion. Back in the 2005-2010 era you'd see quick play the balls, which was accompanied by fast attacking football which was the norm

Now you'd be lucky to see 1 in every 10 games like that today. It's all about the boring wrestle these days

That factored in with bad scheduling, overpriced tickets, origin period etc. it all matters

That and the game is fairly corporate these days (being a more tv friendly environment)

 

[taipan]

Thanks for confirming my statistical analysis that most years in the last decade have between 4 and 6 of the top drawing clubs in the top 8. Now explain why despite this the last 5 years crowds have been sub 16k, clearly not due to less than 4-5 top drawing teams being in the top 8!

Funny I've confirmed which you fail to grasp.The bigger supported teams when performing get the crowds.Get more of these better supported teams in the top 8 ,and your crowds increase dramatically..Simples.

Are you on another planet, have a look at the Eels performances in the last few years.Have a look at the scheduling.Have a look at the stadiums involved.Have a look at the worsening transport infrastructure in that time span,weather in one of those years was the wettest summer/autumn for decades.
FFS ,have a look at teams who don't play each other twice(form memory this year the sharks play the Eels/Panthers/Bulldogs once).
All these have to be factored in ,plus yes loss of interest for some.

Geez you don't have to be a genius to look at the many factors, that can and do influence crowds.
It appears the biggest problem is the numbers that have dropped off, are from attending ANZ stadium regardless of who is playing.Ask yourself the question who uses the stadium Souths/Eels/Dogs/Tigers.The biggest crowd supporters.How are they going or have been over the last few years?

You can sit back on your verandah looking at the desert blooms around WA,and be as far away from reality as needed.

 

[POPEYE]

Probably lack of entertaining football in my opinion. Back in the 2005-2010 era you'd see quick play the balls, which was accompanied by fast attacking football which was the norm

Now you'd be lucky to see 1 in every 10 games like that today. It's all about the boring wrestle these days

That and the game is fairly corporate these days (being a more tv friendly environment)

When did 2 referees, who try to outdo each other finding a stoppage, come into being . . . 2009?

 

[beave]

Is the NRL going to use the canadian company again to do the draw? The last few years efforts have been totally abysmal. Teams playing each other a few weeks apart, rivals only playing once, hell the Cowboys went 2 seasons in a row without a game on the GC. They need to sit down with the clubs and highlight marquee match ups in an appropriate timeslot. You can tell at the moment that the mob coming up with the overall schedule have NFI about the sport.

 

[DlEHARD]

Is the NRL going to use the canadian company again to do the draw? The last few years efforts have been totally abysmal. Teams playing each other a few weeks apart, rivals only playing once, hell the Cowboys went 2 seasons in a row without a game on the GC. They need to sit down with the clubs and highlight marquee match ups in an appropriate timeslot. You can tell at the moment that the mob coming up with the overall schedule have NFI about the sport.

Titans and Cowboys only playing one game was just unfathomable.

 

[Perth Red]

Funny I've confirmed which you fail to grasp.The bigger supported teams when performing get the crowds.Get more of these better supported teams in the top 8 ,and your crowds increase dramatically..Simples.

Are you on another planet, have a look at the Eels performances in the last few years.Have a look at the scheduling.Have a look at the stadiums involved.Have a look at the worsening transport infrastructure in that time span,weather in one of those years was the wettest summer/autumn for decades.
FFS ,have a look at teams who don't play each other twice(form memory this year the sharks play the Eels/Panthers/Bulldogs once).
All these have to be factored in ,plus yes loss of interest for some.

Geez you don't have to be a genius to look at the many factors, that can and do influence crowds.
It appears the biggest problem is the numbers that have dropped off, are from attending ANZ stadium regardless of who is playing.Ask yourself the question who uses the stadium Souths/Eels/Dogs/Tigers.The biggest crowd supporters.How are they going or have been over the last few years?

You can sit back on your verandah looking at the desert blooms around WA,and be as far away from reality as needed.

As usual your simplicity fails to grasp that pretty much every season for the last decade usually 5-6 of the top drawing teams have been in the top 8 yet crowds have dropped away consistently. Lets take 2015, our lowest ebb to date in the last decade you had:
Broncos, Bulldogs, Rabbitohs, Cowboys, Dragons in top 8. All big fanbase teams.
It was really only missing Knights and Parra to be the perfect storm for a big crowd season, yet it rated the lowest for years.
2010, one of our biggest crowd years ever only had 2 big drawing teams in the Dragons and Wests in the top 8.

Like I have said numerous times the sub 16k avg has been consistent for 5 years regardless of who is in the 8, this would suggest it isn't just about the teams doing well.

So what's changed? Ticket prices, schedules, weather patterns, style of footy, negative media, population, NRL ownership, fan engagement, fan expectation of facility. Probably a combination, or maybe just one or two things. One things for sure the money flowing into the game and the excitement of independent ownership certainly didn't have the positive outcome we had hoped for. I wonder what target the NRL will set in next years strategic plan lol.

 

[Perth Red]

Is the NRL going to use the canadian company again to do the draw? The last few years efforts have been totally abysmal. Teams playing each other a few weeks apart, rivals only playing once, hell the Cowboys went 2 seasons in a row without a game on the GC. They need to sit down with the clubs and highlight marquee match ups in an appropriate timeslot. You can tell at the moment that the mob coming up with the overall schedule have NFI about the sport.

Geez you'd hope given it will be our first season with full schedule control that they will put some effort into ensuring the match ups with the blockbuster potentials are played in the best time slots and best rounds. Really no excuses next year, if they stuff it up again heads must roll.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Let's see some predictions for the Auckland Nines next year.

Or the All Stars.

Or the expanded World Club Series.

Or the Trans Tasman Test.

Or City-Country.

Or any end of year Kangaroo tests.

What's that? None of those things are happening next year?

 

[Perth Red]

But, but the players will be tired, bless them.

 

[El Diablo]

Perth crowds have brought the average down