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2017 Crowd Watch

Billythekid

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Newcastle historically tend to have good games against the storm despite the fact that we're always much higher on the ladder. Also the storm are coming off a tough game. It could be a cracker.

Hoping for 20K+ and I'll be there supporting the game unlike most of the usual suspects who post here.

does it keep you awake at night?

What does this even mean? Clearly we're all fans hence posting on a message board about the the sport. Shit you've made 80k+ posts so clearly you care quite a bit.

It's strange that actually giving a shit about how successful the game is can be construed as a negative in this thread.

Yes I care about rugby league. I think it's the greatest sport in the world and should be the number 1 game here in Australia. We shouldn't be playing second fiddle to a bunch of seagulls chasing after a chip in tight shorts and a rag for a shirt.
 

Emu01

Juniors
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2017 average 14838.

Do the nrl really care? Do they even know?

14838 is not great but that first month of the nrl it literally poured rain for a month straight effecting crowds for the first 4 rounds..

Had it not rained that much we would have bettered last years average. Remember this when bagging the years average.
 

Stallion

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14838 is not great but that first month of the nrl it literally poured rain for a month straight effecting crowds for the first 4 rounds..

Had it not rained that much we would have bettered last years average. Remember this when bagging the years average.

Agree. In fact the first six rounds were rain affected.
 

Billythekid

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Agree. In fact the first six rounds were rain affected.

This is definitely true but also misleading. Every year the start of the season is rain affected though obviously not as bad as this year. Without comparing exactly how many games were rain affected it's impossible to know how big of an impact that had.
 

Perth Red

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If it was a one off year you might have a point but crowds have consistently dropped, plateaued, dropped for a number of years. This year is just further evidence of the nrl's inability to sort the problem out.
 

Billythekid

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What's the silver bullet then PR? You seem to have all the answers.

There is no silver bullet and I'm not sure he or anyone else had ever suggested that. Acknowledging that there is a serious issue and taking some major steps to address it would be a welcome first step. What those steps should be is a bit more complicated and there have been many suggestions on here. That's what the people in charge of the NRL get paid the big bucks to work out.
 

Perth Red

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What's the silver bullet then PR? You seem to have all the answers.

lol, yep simple is as simple does.

No silver bullet just a lot of hard work, investment and strategy, starting with a goal and a vision. Smith set out the goal - 20k avg by 2018. Sadly no-one then had the vision and the strategy to realise the goal. But if I was to say one thing they have fcked up beyond all others its TV deals and the fact they allow tv to insist on sht KO times and stand alone broadcasting of games. Until they sort that out we wont see much improvement. Then throw in value, game day experience, stadium facilities, fixtures, attracting new fans, club standards, media management, expansion, partial relocation etc etc etc. Plenty of bullets that need loading and firing.
 

Perth Red

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well no more games in perth if we want the crowd average to go up
Nrl avg last 5 years 15,394
Perth NRL game avg last 5 years 15,612

If you really want to cut games to bring the avg up best be looking closer to home matey.
 

Stallion

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There is no silver bullet and I'm not sure he or anyone else had ever suggested that. Acknowledging that there is a serious issue and taking some major steps to address it would be a welcome first step. What those steps should be is a bit more complicated and there have been many suggestions on here. That's what the people in charge of the NRL get paid the big bucks to work out.

The people getting paid big bucks in clubs are also confusing the hell out of potential new fans and traditional fans by constantly changing playing strips and even actual club colours! I believe that if teams do not clash in like colour jumper wise that the main jumper should be worn by a club. For instance Melbourne should wear its navy blue strip this weekend against the Knights. The visual impact of playing lesser strips detracts from the product appearance and attractiveness to the spectator/viewer. Something that hasnt been identified as an issue but is. Not to mention this adds to poorer recognition and familiarity from the general public at large.
 

HHH

Juniors
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gonna miss my first parra game this year tomorrow night, just can't do Thursday night anymore,

I can't believe we keep getting there time slots
 

johnny plath

Juniors
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lol, yep simple is as simple does.

No silver bullet just a lot of hard work, investment and strategy, starting with a goal and a vision. Smith set out the goal - 20k avg by 2018. Sadly no-one then had the vision and the strategy to realise the goal. But if I was to say one thing they have fcked up beyond all others its TV deals and the fact they allow tv to insist on sht KO times and stand alone broadcasting of games. Until they sort that out we wont see much improvement. Then throw in value, game day experience, stadium facilities, fixtures, attracting new fans, club standards, media management, expansion, partial relocation etc etc etc. Plenty of bullets that need loading and firing.

Thought this article was interesting and maybe give the NRL a wake up in a few areas. Mainly about TV deals reaching a tipping point in sports broadcasting, so a real potential of less money next deal. But also mentions NRL dependence on TV money because of lower attendance, so maybe this might be incentive to do something about attendances since the gravy train might by slowing up. Also makes the point about more premium content ie another Bris/SEQ team would help next deal.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...warns-seven-network-boss-20170816-gxxl5o.html

AUGUST 16 2017 - 6:17PM

TV rights for major sports at 'tipping point' after Seven Network loss

Adrian Proszenko


There are fears the value of the next broadcast deals for sports such as rugby league and cricket could plateau or even plummet after the Seven Network posted a $745 million loss for the financial year.

Global Media and Sports boss Colin Smith, who previously helped the NRL, AFL and ARU broker media deals, has echoed the view of Seven West Media boss Tim Worner, who claimed sports rights had reached a "tipping point".

Seven West Media's overall revenue was down 2.7 per cent to $1.6 billion in comparison to the previous year, which included the Rio Olympics. The free-to-air network invests heavily in sports, including the AFL and tennis' Australian Open, with the shock result raising fresh questions about the future broadcast value of those and other sports.

The Nine Network holds the broadcast rights for cricket and rugby league. Nine has had the rights for home cricket internationals since 1979, although the current deal will expire at the end of the 2017-18 summer. The Big Bash rights are about to be up for renegotiation and uncertainty over the future of current rights holder Channel Ten will likely decrease the competitive tension in the market.

Nine's new NRL contract kicks in for the 2018 season and runs for the next five years, a deal that – in partnership with those done with News Corp, Fox Sports and Telstra – will bring in $1.8 billion for the NRL. While that sum represents a 70 per cent increase on the previous rights deal, there could be a downside in the future.

"We are fast approaching the tipping point," Smith said.

"The broadcasters' costs are rising and by acquiring content such as AFL and NRL they're not getting more revenue. That's not sustainable long-term.

"Then you have the issue of whether one of the free-to-air networks survive, and if it does, in what form?

"It's not like there's a feeding frenzy out there attempting to acquire rights.

"The idea that there is going to be significant growth going forward is going to be challenged."

Rugby league is the only major sport without a collective bargaining agreement after cricket and AFL recently struck revenue-sharing arrangements with their players. The Rugby League Players' Association has been pushing for a 29 per cent slice of the pie, which would mean a share of any upside or downside in revenue in the ensuing five years.

Smith said the only way the NRL could ensure an increase in its next deal was by adding premium content. He suggested a team in the Brisbane or south-east Queensland regions could achieve this.

"If you're not increasing your television audience, and therefore making yourself more attractive, how can broadcasters continue to pay more money?" Smith asked. "It's not possible. One of the challenges you have in rugby league is that TV audiences have dropped. While AFL is up about 2 per cent, in the NRL, Fox Sports is slightly up, but channel Nine is significantly down.

"That makes it tough to think that come 2021-22, there will be significant increases.

"Television is more important for rugby league than AFL because their attendances, save for Origin and the grand final, are comparably low."

Worner's "tipping point" warning came on Wednesday morning as the chief executive blamed his company's poor performance on a "tough market".

"Given changes in the market, price rises are not sustainable. We have to reach a position where the economics stack up for all parties [and] where the power and reach that free-to-air brings [to sports]," Worner said.

He pointed to the popularity of the Big Bash as an example of why networks should be rewarded for growing the popularity of sports.

"These sports code have to start to recognise the power of what we bring to them," Worner said.

There are hopes that "disruptors", such as Netflix, Google, Facebook and Amazon, will enter the race for future sporting content, therefore pushing up the price.

While Smith said their entry into the market was inevitable, it might not happen in time for the next NRL rights cycle.
 

Vee

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But if I was to say one thing they have fcked up beyond all others its TV deals and the fact they allow tv to insist on sht KO times and stand alone broadcasting of games. Until they sort that out we wont see much improvement. Then throw in value, game day experience, stadium facilities, fixtures, attracting new fans, club standards, media management, expansion, partial relocation etc etc etc. Plenty of bullets that need loading and firing.
At Greenberg and the ARLC.
 

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