2017 NBA Finals GSW vs CAVS

[shiznit]

KD didn't create this monster, LeBron did when he went to Miami with Bosh

If your going to use that logic to place blame then your placing it at the wrong person.

You should be placing blame with Danny Ainge... he's the one that put together the big three in Boston which is what made LeBron go out and create a super team to match them.

 

[Rod]

Lol at comparing it to LeBron to Miami.

A 73 win team kept their core AND went and got a new best player. This is not comparable to anything.

 

[nick87]

If your going to use that logic to place blame then your placing it at the wrong person.

You should be placing blame with Danny Ainge... he's the one that put together the big three in Boston which is what made LeBron go out and create a super team to match them.

That's fair, but the narrative of super teams wasn't really a thing with the celts team, for what ever reason people seemed to accept that team

The decision and all that came with it was the birth of the super team era

 

[Barkley]

1 title with OKC would have given KD more respect and credibility than 5 with the 73 win team he joined

I hate that KD took the easy option and signed with the Dubs but he will get his ring just like he wanted. It will be a hallow victory IMO because purely jumped on the coattails of one of the best teams in history.

Curry is due to get paid next year that could potentially break up GSW but then again there is talk that KD will take unders to keep the team together. I would really hate for the Cavs to sign another star but that looks like they way the league is heading.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

The Celtics made two independent trades and gave up a lot of assets (players and picks) to get Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen.

Rondo just developed alongside them and became a star in his own right.

The Celtics were a case of right time, right place and a bunch of individual decisions coming together.

Lebron, Wade, Bosh manufactured the Heat team. It wasn't a case of guys getting traded or the franchise giving up assets. 3 guys in free agency got together and said "lets win a ring".

It's gotten worse from there with vets taking unders to chase rings and now stars joining already dominant teams to give the season a very pre-determined feel to it.

 

[Tommy Smith]

Yeah the vets taking unders is just the cherry on top.

Front loading your team used to consequences for depth. Not anymore with the Warriors adding the likes of David West and Javale Mcgee for a pittance to give them a deep roster as well.

Andre Iguodala is GSW 5th best player and he's a finals MVP! Lord help the NBA until the next decade starts.

 

[Barkley]

The worst part of it all is that no one/team has done anything wrong. Everyone is working within the rules which has effectively made the NBA helpless. It would be dangerous territory for the NBA to start vetoing trades but these rules may need to be toughened up to help create an even playing field.

The increased cap space next year could potentially make things worse...Paul George to Boston and Mello to the Cavs are a very real possibility.

 

[Rod]

They should have smoothed the cap increase, anything they do now will just be chasing their tails as the damage is done, although it's a good lesson so that it never happens again. Two simple things that would really help:

- Put in some rule that the cap can't increase by more than 10% of the previous year except for the years when a new TV deal is signed. They do this and the Warriors would never have been able to get Durant.

- Scale back rookie contracts to just 2 or 3 years rather than 4, so that quality young players are paid to their ability.

 

[Aragorn]

The Celtics made two independent trades and gave up a lot of assets (players and picks) to get Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen.

Rondo just developed alongside them and became a star in his own right.

The Celtics were a case of right time, right place and a bunch of individual decisions coming together.

Lebron, Wade, Bosh manufactured the Heat team. It wasn't a case of guys getting traded or the franchise giving up assets. 3 guys in free agency got together and said "lets win a ring".

It's gotten worse from there with vets taking unders to chase rings and now stars joining already dominant teams to give the season a very pre-determined feel to it.

Wait. So when a GM constructs a super team and they've been doing it for years, thats their job, to make a team win, thats ok? But when a group of superstars decide they want to play with each other and construct their own super team its not?

Durant screwed the NBA of millions of $$$'s because its not good for the game but he did it 100% by the book. I cant hate on that. The salary cap was to prevent these super teams from coming together but with a cap in the hundreds of millions and various shoe sponsor deals they need to find another avenue to stop this massive disparity that has now been created.

 

[Rod]

One I forgot before, I would also consider making the max salary closer to 50% of the cap rather than the 35% it is now.

 

[umina panther]

Yeah the vets taking unders is just the cherry on top.

Front loading your team used to consequences for depth. Not anymore with the Warriors adding the likes of David West and Javale Mcgee for a pittance to give them a deep roster as well.

Andre Iguodala is GSW 5th best player and he's a finals MVP! Lord help the NBA until the next decade starts.

And yet you're fine with how the Roosters do business Tommy

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

Wait. So when a GM constructs a super team and they've been doing it for years, thats their job, to make a team win, thats ok? But when a group of superstars decide they want to play with each other and construct their own super team its not?

Durant screwed the NBA of millions of $$$'s because its not good for the game but he did it 100% by the book. I cant hate on that. The salary cap was to prevent these super teams from coming together but with a cap in the hundreds of millions and various shoe sponsor deals they need to find another avenue to stop this massive disparity that has now been created.

Where did I say I approve or disapprove? I merely stated the difference between how Boston and Miami created their teams.

The Heat were the ones who had players deciding to form the team as much if not more than the GM and other teams have followed suit in an attempt to weight things in their favour.

Super teams have been happening for decades, but generally it's the way Boston did it, with players developing and trades paying off all at once. These days it's becoming increasingly manufactured and a lot of people don't like that.

And it's not the salary cap that's the problem as much as the fact their salary cap is soft and some teams don't give a damn about ignoring it because they can afford the luxury tax.7 teams went over the cap last season. Cavs, Warriors, Spurs, Thunder, Rockets, Bulls, Clippers so 5 of the top 6 teams that year were over the soft cap.

 

[Aragorn]

Where did I say I approve or disapprove? I merely stated the difference between how Boston and Miami created their teams.

The Heat were the ones who had players deciding to form the team as much if not more than the GM and other teams have followed suit in an attempt to weight things in their favour.

Super teams have been happening for decades, but generally it's the way Boston did it, with players developing and trades paying off all at once. These days it's becoming increasingly manufactured and a lot of people don't like that.

And it's not the salary cap that's the problem as much as the fact their salary cap is soft and some teams don't give a damn about ignoring it because they can afford the luxury tax.7 teams went over the cap last season. Cavs, Warriors, Spurs, Thunder, Rockets, Bulls, Clippers so 5 of the top 6 teams that year were over the soft cap.

You're contradicting yourself. Too blind to see it as usual.

Keep the faith.

 

[Rod]

And it's not the salary cap that's the problem as much as the fact their salary cap is soft and some teams don't give a damn about ignoring it because they can afford the luxury tax.7 teams went over the cap last season. Cavs, Warriors, Spurs, Thunder, Rockets, Bulls, Clippers so 5 of the top 6 teams that year were over the soft cap.

The softness of the cap is a factor but not the main one. Those teams you mentioned are happy to go somewhat over the cap, but not more than about 25% over. Any more than than and the tax becomes too much for even the richest franchises.

If they had managed the increase properly the Warriors technically still could have got Durant but very unlikely as they would have had to pay something like $4 of luxury tax to every $1 of Durant's salary to do it.

 

[PeteyFirth]

I'm pulling for a Warriors sweep just to end the misery as quickly and painlessly as possible.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

You're contradicting yourself. Too blind to see it as usual.

Keep the faith.

Says the guy always making ignorant assumptions.

There's no contradiction there, but hey you've already played the blind card so you have an easy out no matter how I reply. Good one, you the man.

 

[T-Boon]

Durant's support players are a lot better then Lebron's.

 

[shiznit]

The Cavs are playing really well here... but f**k me... the Warriors are ahead by 2 and you just kind of feel like they are always a 2min explosion away from being up by 15.

 

[T-Boon]

The Cavs are playing really well here... but f**k me... the Warriors are ahead by 2 and you just kind of feel like they are always a 2min explosion away from being up by 15.

Yep even now down 5 they seem like the flick of a switch away from that explosion.

 

[Tommy Smith]

Yawn.

Down 113-107 with 2 min to go and go on an 11-0 run.

Game over.

Series over.

Boring boring boring.

Wake me up NBA when you become competitive again. Say in, 2022.