2018 Crowd Watch

[titoelcolombiano]

I have listed some valid factors. It's up to you to doubt them. I know they are valid and very logical given what has happened to the code. The figures like junior participation numbers in
northern Sydney have been quoted before ( 22 clubs to 8 junior clubs etc) The facts are there.

And where is the proof that that decline is directly linked to North Sydney Bears rather than a general decline in participation in contact sport? Where is the proof that North Sydney is bucking the general trend of every suburb of Sydney when it comes to lower participation?

 

[Stallion]

So you are proposing that we abandon our great code in North Sydney? Your implosion logic and weakening of the code is incredible! How dare you have such lack of respect for a respected, traditional area!

No not at all. The Bears use both the Central Coast and North Sydney. it would be stupid for the Bears not to link with both North Sydney and the Central Coast. A win /win for the Bears and the code.

 

[Stallion]

And where is the proof that that decline is directly linked to North Sydney Bears rather than a general decline in participation in contact sport? Where is the proof that North Sydney is bucking the general trend of every suburb of Sydney when it comes to lower participation?

FFS. Are you that dopey that you cannot see a correlation with the loss of a top flight with over 90 years relationship in the community would negatively impact things like junior numbers and interest in rugby league? That's just thick. Don't know what you base things like that on however it's pretty obvious they are significant factors in the decline of the code in this area . No top flight and well established club equals decline in the code in that area. It's logical but not for some!?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

FFS. Are you that dopey that you cannot see a correlation with the loss of a top flight with over 90 years relationship in the community would negatively impact things like junior numbers and interest in rugby league? That's just thick. Don't know what you base things like that on however it's pretty obvious they are significant factors in the decline of the code in this area . No top flight and well established club equals decline in the code in that area. It's logical but not for some!?

You can abuse me all you like but you did not provide proof with figures that the decline in participation in North Sydney (if there is any) is any different to any other area in Sydney and how that relates to the bears more than it relates to soccer mums? Answer the question whenever you like

 

[titoelcolombiano]

No not at all. The Bears use both the Central Coast and North Sydney. it would be stupid for the Bears not to link with both North Sydney and the Central Coast. A win /win for the Bears and the code.

So in your scenario are the bears playing out of Gosford Stadium or North Sydney Oval?

 

[Chook Norris]

Lol. NRL Facebook does not attract other/extra new fans. The neutrals have no idea of what is going on! The AFL have the added advantage of universal acceptance in all schooling (Public and private -elite included ) This gives that code relevance to all demographics moreso than rugby league which is confined to mostly a lower socioeconomic demographic. Granted there are people whom are attracted to the game from different demographics but not as much as compared to Aust rules. Another factor peculiar to Sydney is that it is not an easy city to travel around. I note most of the stadiums on Melbourne have a train line servicing them. This is not so for most Sydney football venues.

That is evidence enough that you cannot be helped and just spout dribble.

Social media is an outstanding and valid way to market the game to people.

I've seen enough views and comments from people outside in Europe and America to know that social media does a great job in promoting the game

 

[Stallion]

You can abuse me all you like but you did not provide proof with figures that the decline in participation in North Sydney (if there is any) is any different to any other area in Sydney and how that relates to the bears more than it relates to soccer mums? Answer the question whenever you like

So 8 junior clubs compared to 22 junior clubs doesn't cut it!? I'm not abusing you. I'm pointing out how absurd your ignorance is! That's all.

 

[Stallion]

That is evidence enough that you cannot be helped and just spout dribble.

Social media is an outstanding and valid way to market the game to people.

I've seen enough views and comments from people outside in Europe and America to know that social media does a great job in promoting the game

I'm not stating it doesn't do that! I'm trying to emphasize that neutral/general public fans are gained moreso in open forums that do not require someone to.log into or have a computer. Things like Radio and TV , even newspapers are able to gain a wider audience that would not necessarily search/use Facebook or whatever other computer medium you extol. A wider market range is reached viewing media in the form of radio, tv and newspapers. I actually think Radio is very effective however others prefer tv or newspapers. But for sport I think Radio listeners become easily informed and then follow up if its a good deal or attractive enough to commit going to. This is not state that Facebook doesn't have reach. The reach of Facebook is more for those within the knowledge/ cultural base and not those who may be interested but have no knowledge of the upcoming game/event.

 

[Miller was a legend]

I will settle all these arguments once and for all.

Mines bigger than yours!

 

[greenBV4]

I'm not stating it doesn't do that! I'm trying to emphasize that neutral/general public fans are gained moreso in open forums that do not require someone to.log into or have a computer. Things like Radio and TV , even newspapers are able to gain a wider audience that would not necessarily search/use Facebook or whatever other computer medium you extol. A wider market range is reached viewing media in the form of radio, tv and newspapers. I actually think Radio is very effective however others prefer tv or newspapers. But for sport I think Radio listeners become easily informed and then follow up if its a good deal or attractive enough to commit going to. This is not state that Facebook doesn't have reach. The reach of Facebook is more for those within the knowledge/ cultural base and not those who may be interested but have no knowledge of the upcoming game/event.

I have seen many Club and NRL post appear on facebook as "sponsored" or "ad" posts, these are posts that pop up in your feed even if you do not follow said pages - and is great way to show off the game to new potential fans.

I agree though that their should also be good marketing on radio and TV to reach NEW fans, but wouldn't say it a a major factor towards whether a crowd is poor or not, enough people should already know about the NRL for this to be a reason for poor crowds, especially in Sydney (surely there is a weekly fixture in the Sydney papers?), and club members for both teams playing should receive emails for every game, I even get texts from the Storm before big games such as the ANZAC game

I remember when I lived on the NSW North Coast, there used to be fairly frequent ads on TV for Titans memberships and upcoming home games stating who they were playing, when they were playing, if there were any deals, and how much tickets were - I wonder if they still do this and/or if any other clubs do this

 

[Stallion]

I have seen many Club and NRL post appear on facebook as "sponsored" or "ad" posts, these are posts that pop up in your feed even if you do not follow said pages - and is great way to show off the game to new potential fans.

I agree though that their should also be good marketing on radio and TV to reach NEW fans, but wouldn't say it a a major factor towards whether a crowd is poor or not, enough people should already know about the NRL for this to be a reason for poor crowds, especially in Sydney (surely there is a weekly fixture in the Sydney papers?), and club members for both teams playing should receive emails for every game, I even get texts from the Storm before big games such as the ANZAC game

I remember as a kid when I was on the NSW North Coast, there used to be frequent ads on TV for Titans memberships and upcoming home games stating who they were playing, when they were playing, if there were any deals, and how much tickets were - I wonder if they still do this and/or if any other clubs do this

Certainly didn't happen in mainstream media leading into last weekend!

 

[Timmah]

Others have forwarded the junior club figure number decrease in North Sydney since their exit from the top.flight . I got this information off another rugby league contributor on this site . I suppose a research project is required to back up logical issues arising out of losing a top flight club presence in an area like North Sydney. It's valid information however some choose to ignore it. For what gain in so far as rugby league is concerned? None! That's the way things roll on this 'rugby' "league" website.

If you are quoting information, provide the URL to it.

It's that f**king simple.

 

[Timmah]

Certainly didn't happen in mainstream media leading into last weekend!

You listened to every possible radio frequency and TV station and read all newspapers to make such a statement?

 

[Stallion]

If you are quoting information, provide the URL to it.

It's that f**king simple.

It's within one of the threads. One of the good guys contributed it 4 or 5 months ago.

 

[Timmah]

It's within one of the threads. One of the good guys contributed it 4 or 5 months ago.

Then link to it. If you have information you wish to impart, source it. It's not difficult. Link. URL. Screenshot, anything.

Just saying it and a vague recollection of where it might be doesn't cut it.

 

[Stallion]

You listened to every possible radio frequency and TV station and read all newspapers to make such a statement?

Listening to Sky sports Radio is a good barometer ! I know what you are getting at. Suppose it is my opinion on what I've noticed. I do take particular note of the media and media coverage. One of my past degrees was Communication Studies so I do have a more than standard interest in this aspect of society and its effect on rugby league.

 

[Burns]

No one listens to Sky Sports Radio, let alone the radio. Stop equating advertising with low attendances. This thread, and more to the point Stallion go around and around in circles.

People do not like ANZ. No one likes ANZ. Accept it, move on. Live life.

 

[Stallion]

Then link to it. If you have information you wish to impart, source it. It's not difficult. Link. URL. Screenshot, anything.

Just saying it and a vague recollection of where it might be doesn't cut it.

So if you express an opinion that's the rule. I understand some of the logic however I enjoy commenting and using logic for back up. If common sense can't prevail and selective ignorance dominates that's the way it is in this website. Mind you there are decent contributors so all.is not lost. However I've noted a very pro rugby union stance in some people that work on this site which to.me is problematic on a rugby league website! ?

 

[Stallion]

No one listens to Sky Sports Radio, let alone the radio. Stop equating advertising with low attendances. This thread, and more to the point Stallion go around and around in circles.

People do not like ANZ. No one likes ANZ. Accept it, move on. Live life.

I've never stated I like ANZ stadium!? Effective promoting of games is an issue for the NRL in my opinion.

 

[horrie hastings]

So in your scenario are the bears playing out of Gosford Stadium or North Sydney Oval?

If it ever happens you would think they would play 10 games at Gosford and 2 at North Sydney, at North Sydney they would play Manly and not sure who the other team would be, maybe the Roosters. It would be interesting to see whether NSO would be up to NRL standards, it should be fine for a couple of games and I can’t see it being any worse than Brookvale oval.