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2018 Crowd Watch

Raiderdave

First Grade
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And before you sydneysider cry babies tell me the shitty time slots affect Sydney teams too

We're not talking about those this time
We're talking about a top 4 all Sydney clash at a good venue on a Sunday afternoon in perfect weather
That couldn't half fill the venue

Time to unclutter Sydney
 

taipan

Referee
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22,500
The game you refer to (88k, not 86k) had all available tickets sold, it didn't reach 95-100k because members didn't turn up.

Look I was reading comment by an AFL fan not here,who stated he was disappointed with the crowd.The NRL would kill for half that number.
OK so the members didn't turn up, because of members the figure was not reached ,which appears to have have surprised a few.I'm just the messenger,shoot me.
 

taipan

Referee
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The afl averaged bigger crowds in 1998 than they do now, super rugby union crowds have pretty much halved in 15 years, the A league average 4500 less now than 10 years ago, the nrl is slightly up on last year and slightly down over the course of a decade.

This is not just a rugby league problem!!!!! This is not a crisis!

You're not supposed to say that.Remember it's only a NRL issue, written and authorised by Buzz Rothfield.
Buzz has not said a word that I can find about the drop in crowds and TV ratings for other codes.Apparently only happens in the NRL.
Buzz banging on about 6,000 odd at Brookvale(yes p*ss poor crowd) comparing it to the MCG and their 80,000 plus crowd.
Then we had the decibels at the A league a couple of years back and the lack of atmosphere at NRL games.
Yep rugby league the whipping boy for the cynics ,it sells rags
 

taipan

Referee
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And before you sydneysider cry babies tell me the shitty time slots affect Sydney teams too

We're not talking about those this time
We're talking about a top 4 all Sydney clash at a good venue on a Sunday afternoon in perfect weather
That couldn't half fill the venue

Time to unclutter Sydney

Therefore time to say au revoir to those current club members who have created record numbers in Sydney,and let them go to wherever they please they have no club to follow either in attendance or on TV.

And may Canberra's annual grant drop by 30%,players' salaries drop accordingly.Perhaps you missed out on viewing numbers when SL was in full swing.
That'll show em.And of course the Raider's crowds will magically jump to a 20,000 plus average.Brisbane in a big one city one team town sometimes gets around 23,000
Of course you are the same guy ,quite happy to cite crappy times slots for the Raiders.Relocate to Adelaide melad,they'll get 20,000 crowds with their own team, and not have to worry about wind, ice,and the abominable snowman.
 

unforgiven

Bench
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3,138
And before you sydneysider cry babies tell me the shitty time slots affect Sydney teams too

We're not talking about those this time
We're talking about a top 4 all Sydney clash at a good venue on a Sunday afternoon in perfect weather
That couldn't half fill the venue

Time to unclutter Sydney
Wont work, you will kill the game in its biggest market.
 

unforgiven

Bench
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3,138
I've noticed a few people stating that they only attend home games for their club and not away games. This is something I've noticed since the push for membership really started to pickup, maybe its because people feel they are spending a lot at once and don't want to spend more during the season. I know my season tickets cost me over $1000 this year.
 

Valheru

Coach
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19,193
And before you sydneysider cry babies tell me the shitty time slots affect Sydney teams too

We're not talking about those this time
We're talking about a top 4 all Sydney clash at a good venue on a Sunday afternoon in perfect weather
That couldn't half fill the venue

Time to unclutter Sydney

You still haven't told us why you are so certain Canberra would do better other than you hope it would be the case.

The only example you have given us was a game in 2000 which was also the last home game of club legend Laurie Daley (still not a sell out) and when called out on such you failed to respond.

If Canberra haven't been able to fill their modest sized stadium for a regular season game in 18 years then perhaps the league needs to be looking at alternatives.
 

shaggs

Coach
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You should be able to buy two types of membership.

Either buy the one that is for your teams home games only for x amount.

Or

The membership that’s is for your teams home games plus reciprocal rights at all other teams games (general admission) for x amount plus $$.

This should encourage more crowds and more away support at other grounds. The NRL, needs to be doing something like this to boost the numbers.
 

Timmah

LeagueUnlimited News Editor
Staff member
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100,987
Hardly inflammatory.St George fans will tell you they prefer Jubilee or WIN any time,and their crowds have shown that to be the case.My eyes don't deceive me the vast majority of fans last Sunday were not wearing red and white.That's not just my view.
There was a far better spread at the ANZAC day match between the clubs,I know a special day.

All I was showing ,that away fans and that includes me do not travel to other venues certainly in Sydney.Unless of course it's a semi /final or G/F.That's the way it is ATM in Sydney.Which is ,was the point of my post.
To suggest a 19k crowd was split 18k-1k between Roosters and Dragons fans on Sunday is utterly ludicrous no matter how you try to cut it. I have no doubt the Roosters fans were the dominant ones in number but that sort of ratio is just being stupid for the sake of it.
Look I was reading comment by an AFL fan not here,who stated he was disappointed with the crowd.The NRL would kill for half that number.
OK so the members didn't turn up, because of members the figure was not reached ,which appears to have have surprised a few.I'm just the messenger,shoot me.
Wasn't trying to shoot you, I just don't think that particular point helped your case as it wasn't a matter of people not paying for tickets - all tickets were sold.
 

taipan

Referee
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To suggest a 19k crowd was split 18k-1k between Roosters and Dragons fans on Sunday is utterly ludicrous no matter how you try to cut it. I have no doubt the Roosters fans were the dominant ones in number but that sort of ratio is just being stupid for the sake of it.

Wasn't trying to shoot you, I just don't think that particular point helped your case as it wasn't a matter of people not paying for tickets - all tickets were sold.

FFS I took a bit of licence .You admit yourself the Rooster's fans dominated.I'm not going to get a GWS counter and get the exact figures.I know what I saw.They as you stated ,dominated.yet Dragons has a far bigger fan base in Sydney.Read into that what you will.I honestly thought we'd get at least 25,000,I was wrong.

You can't do better than all tickets sold,I agree.But the members let the side down in a blockbuster, which was apparently unexpected or so I'm told.When I noted the comments of the AFL fan, he made no mention of the members not being there.
We get the sh*ts when members don't turn up at the SFS in numbers at times.
 

The Great Dane

First Grade
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7,960
Canberra seems to be copping a hammering in here (largely cause of one person antagonism...), so I thought I'd explain Canberra's crowd problems, so that at least if people are going to bash the Raiders and/or Canberra then they can do it from a relatively informed position.

Like everything the Raiders inability to attract fans to games is quite complex, fixing just one of many problems in of it's self would have little effect on crowds in the long term, so a lot of things have to change for the Raiders to attract more people to games.

For a start the Stadium is shit, it's poorly situated and is basically built like a big concrete wind tunnel with basically no cover from the elements, as you can imagine paying a premium to sit in a wind tunnel in subzero temperatures isn't appealing to most people, add to that the wind tunnel is in the middle of a suburb with basically nothing to do around it and you have to pay to park on a dirt field and it's a big turn off.

Then there's the experience at the field once you get in, frankly it's shit, apart from the game it's self the whole experience is crap, you have local radio personalities acting as the ground announcers who suck at it and frankly have no clue what they are doing so end up only serving to be annoying, the "entertainment" well it isn't entertaining and basically no money goes into it so you're paying $30+ to watch what is basically school assembly levels of entertainment but with adults, they (the club and the people running game day) have no clue how to build atmosphere and frankly aren't equip with the technology necessary to do it effectively on a regular basis, then there is the price, everything in the stadium is over priced and/or extremely low quality.

Add to those factors that for the past 25 years the team has been mediocre at best (with a couple of flash in the pan semi-successful years scattered around in that time), the total failure of both the club and the NRL to market their products and advertise their matches in Canberra almost at all, let alone to a reasonable level, that for a good part of those 25 years the club actively ignored the will and opinions of it's fans and marginalised them, an attitude in the community that once you've been to one Raiders game you've been to them all, that watching the game on TV is frankly an easier, cheaper, and arguably a better experience on most occasions, that the ACT government has been basically endorsing and propping up main competitors from outside of the community for a good part of those 25 years and the current ACT gov is almost openly hostile to the both the Raiders and Brumbies in the way that it deals with them sometimes, the perceived shitness of the refs and the perceived attitude that the refs are as likely to decide the game as the teams (whether you agree with those attitudes and opinions or not they are having an effect), the lack of mainstream exposure the club gets compared to others (especially on FTA), the NRL's complete inability to scheduled an even semi fair draw or good draw, the perceived attitude of disrespect and/or disinterest and being treated as an after thought or even a second class citizen that the NRL treats the region with, and the simple fact that value for money wise the NRL simply isn't competitive with other competitors in the entertainment industry, and you have a recipe for disaster when it comes to crowds.

I get that this was a big post (and as such will most likely be ignored because of that fact), but there's pretty much all of Canberra issues in a nut shell when it comes to crowds.
 

Timmah

LeagueUnlimited News Editor
Staff member
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FFS I took a bit of licence .You admit yourself the Rooster's fans dominated.I'm not going to get a GWS counter and get the exact figures.I know what I saw.They as you stated ,dominated.yet Dragons has a far bigger fan base in Sydney.Read into that what you will.I honestly thought we'd get at least 25,000,I was wrong.
'Taking a bit of licence' doesn't help the debate. I think there are mitigating circumstances too - the Dragons' sliding form being one obvious one.

You can't do better than all tickets sold,I agree.But the members let the side down in a blockbuster, which was apparently unexpected or so I'm told.When I noted the comments of the AFL fan, he made no mention of the members not being there.
We get the sh*ts when members don't turn up at the SFS in numbers at times.
The reason you brought it up was to illustrate how ticket sales were impacted by cost of living, which directly contradicted by the fact it sold out. I agree about members not turning up being annoying, but that's not the point you were making initially.
 

hutch

First Grade
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6,810
In fairness that drop in crowds for the AFL comes due to GWS and Gold Coast adding two extra teams and almost no attendees. They were set up rather well with 16 clubs, had a good footprint. Overzealous expansion is what hurt them.

The A-League booted most of the admin as a result of bad crowds and Union is currently being run by the fat goth chick that killed the Dogs and NZ Netball. Hardly something to be comparing League to.

It is extremely relevant. Another statistic is that in 2005 the afl had 22 overall less games than when the giants entered in 2012 and still had a higher cumulative total for the year.

A league crowds went down again last season, what’s your point about admin?

Union has been run by castle for 6 months, she’s not to blame for 15 years of decline. Their crowds have almost halved! Where is their crisis? Imagine nrl crowds halved?

All of this is very relevant to nrl crowds and sport crowds in this country. We all have our own problems, some more than others. The nrl should definitely be getting bigger crowds than they do, but they are still the biggest domestic rugby comp on earth for crowds and we aren’t doing THAT bad!
 

carcharias

Immortal
Messages
43,120
Canberra seems to be copping a hammering in here (largely cause of one person antagonism...), so I thought I'd explain Canberra's crowd problems, so that at least if people are going to bash the Raiders and/or Canberra then they can do it from a relatively informed position.

Like everything the Raiders inability to attract fans to games is quite complex, fixing just one of many problems in of it's self would have little effect on crowds in the long term, so a lot of things have to change for the Raiders to attract more people to games.

For a start the Stadium is shit, it's poorly situated and is basically built like a big concrete wind tunnel with basically no cover from the elements, as you can imagine paying a premium to sit in a wind tunnel in subzero temperatures isn't appealing to most people, add to that the wind tunnel is in the middle of a suburb with basically nothing to do around it and you have to pay to park on a dirt field and it's a big turn off.

Then there's the experience at the field once you get in, frankly it's shit, apart from the game it's self the whole experience is crap, you have local radio personalities acting as the ground announcers who suck at it and frankly have no clue what they are doing so end up only serving to be annoying, the "entertainment" well it isn't entertaining and basically no money goes into it so you're paying $30+ to watch what is basically school assembly levels of entertainment but with adults, they (the club and the people running game day) have no clue how to build atmosphere and frankly aren't equip with the technology necessary to do it effectively on a regular basis, then there is the price, everything in the stadium is over priced and/or extremely low quality.

Add to those factors that for the past 25 years the team has been mediocre at best (with a couple of flash in the pan semi-successful years scattered around in that time), the total failure of both the club and the NRL to market their products and advertise their matches in Canberra almost at all, let alone to a reasonable level, that for a good part of those 25 years the club actively ignored the will and opinions of it's fans and marginalised them, an attitude in the community that once you've been to one Raiders game you've been to them all, that watching the game on TV is frankly an easier, cheaper, and arguably a better experience on most occasions, that the ACT government has been basically endorsing and propping up main competitors from outside of the community for a good part of those 25 years and the current ACT gov is almost openly hostile to the both the Raiders and Brumbies in the way that it deals with them sometimes, the perceived shitness of the refs and the perceived attitude that the refs are as likely to decide the game as the teams (whether you agree with those attitudes and opinions or not they are having an effect), the lack of mainstream exposure the club gets compared to others (especially on FTA), the NRL's complete inability to scheduled an even semi fair draw or good draw, the perceived attitude of disrespect and/or disinterest and being treated as an after thought or even a second class citizen that the NRL treats the region with, and the simple fact that value for money wise the NRL simply isn't competitive with other competitors in the entertainment industry, and you have a recipe for disaster when it comes to crowds.

I get that this was a big post (and as such will most likely be ignored because of that fact), but there's pretty much all of Canberra issues in a nut shell when it comes to crowds.

Sorry mate
That was a lengthy post .
I ignored the majority of it.
Did the big horn and the clap get a mention?
 
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Raiderdave

First Grade
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7,990
Therefore time to say au revoir to those current club members who have created record numbers in Sydney,and let them go to wherever they please they have no club to follow either in attendance or on TV.

And may Canberra's annual grant drop by 30%,players' salaries drop accordingly.Perhaps you missed out on viewing numbers when SL was in full swing.
That'll show em.And of course the Raider's crowds will magically jump to a 20,000 plus average.Brisbane in a big one city one team town sometimes gets around 23,000
Of course you are the same guy ,quite happy to cite crappy times slots for the Raiders.Relocate to Adelaide melad,they'll get 20,000 crowds with their own team, and not have to worry about wind, ice,and the abominable snowman.

Those Sydney members will be replaced instantly with members in new markets & those new members unlike Sydneysiders , may also actually get off their asses & attend games
Brisbane don't get 23K on Glorious sunday afternoons … they get 40K

Sydney isn't fixable
lets stop trying
 

gallagher

Juniors
Messages
1,800
The afl averaged bigger crowds in 1998 than they do now, super rugby union crowds have pretty much halved in 15 years, the A league average 4500 less now than 10 years ago, the nrl is slightly up on last year and slightly down over the course of a decade.

This is not just a rugby league problem!!!!! This is not a crisis!
Acording to this page https://afltables.com/afl/crowds/summary.html the AFL averaged 34700 in 1988 and 34500 this year.
 

ReddFelon

Juniors
Messages
1,485
It is extremely relevant. Another statistic is that in 2005 the afl had 22 overall less games than when the giants entered in 2012 and still had a higher cumulative total for the year.

A league crowds went down again last season, what’s your point about admin?

Union has been run by castle for 6 months, she’s not to blame for 15 years of decline. Their crowds have almost halved! Where is their crisis? Imagine nrl crowds halved?

All of this is very relevant to nrl crowds and sport crowds in this country. We all have our own problems, some more than others. The nrl should definitely be getting bigger crowds than they do, but they are still the biggest domestic rugby comp on earth for crowds and we aren’t doing THAT bad!

The point is the A-League admin got fired because of the shit crowds. E.g. they don't see their crowds as acceptable for a top tier competition.

As for where is Unions crisis? Everywhere, I haven't seen an article this year that wasn't positioned as the sport being on death's door in Australia. Also not sure what you're getting at with the "biggest domestic rugby comp", are we at the point where we compare ourselves with the Super League and French Rugby? Domestic competitions in soccer mad countries aren't expected to outdraw a Rugby League competition in a country where it's the #2 sport nationally and the number #1 sport in two of the largest states.
 

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