2019 ASHES: 4th Test Australia v England, Old Trafford Sept 4-9

[Bgoodorgoodatit]

Well outside of Smiffy getting his 100 that couldn’t have gone much better....

Hilarious reading through the thread too... haha

 

[Pete Cash]

We would be looking at being whitewashed without him haha

 

[Tweed Titan]

Smithy I love him, I want to boof him. Get him up here.

 

[nöyd]

lol

his last 13 innings against the soap dodgers:

143
141
40
6
239
76
102
83
144
142
92
211
82

stop the fight, textbook raep

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Key wickets of Burns and Root by the Stallion. These two are England's main stick - arounders, if they could have layed a base the likes of Stokes and Buttler could have made a charge.

Now it's left to Denly and Roy

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Smithy I love him, I want to boof him. Get him up here.

Get in line

 

[Mr Spock!]

The poms have exposed smudgers weakness against left arm spin......

 

[Slackboy72]

We would be looking at being whitewashed without him haha

England could say the same of Stokes.

 

[WaznTheGreat]

Speaking of Ben Stokes and all-rounders what stats do you need to actually be classed as an all-rounder? in my mind guys like Stokes and Flintoff who average 30+ with the ball and low 30's with the bat means there equally ordinary at both things,why is this seen as an achievement?

Imran Khan,Keith Miller,Jacques Kallis and Gary Sobers are the only true all-rounders in cricket history bruh

P.S Kapil Dev and Ian Botham don't belong with the above 4 bruh


Best baleed dat

 

[Raiders_Premiers]

Speaking of Ben Stokes and all-rounders what stats do you need to actually be classed as an all-rounder? in my mind guys like Stokes and Flintoff who average 30+ with the ball and low 30's with the bat means there equally ordinary at both things,why is this seen as an achievement?

Imran Khan,Keith Miller,Jacques Kallis and Gary Sobers are the only true all-rounders in cricket history bruh

P.S Kapil Dev and Ian Botham don't belong with the above 4 bruh


Best baleed dat

I can't think of a player who's actually been a true all rounder though. Someone that would get into any team on the basis of either bowling or batting - I'm thinking a guy who averages at least 45 and has a bowling below around 27-28.

All those guys listed are far better at one facet of the game than the other, which subsequently becomes what they're predominantly known for.

I would stay Stokes' bowling and batting are much closer, but the level of either those aren't that great to begin with, relative to those considered great.

 

[WaznTheGreat]

I can't think of a player who's actually been a true all rounder though. Someone that would get into any team on the basis of either bowling or batting - I'm thinking a guy who averages at least 45 and has a bowling below around 27-28.

All those guys listed are far better at one facet of the game than the other, which subsequently becomes what they're predominantly known for.

I would stay Stokes' bowling and batting are much closer, but the level of either those aren't that great to begin with, relative to those considered great.

This is correct,i was just spiting Flintoff and Stokes out of butthurtness cos there way better than Aussie donkey all-rounders

Butthurttrain

 

[herbert henry1908]

I can't think of a player who's actually been a true all rounder though. Someone that would get into any team on the basis of either bowling or batting - I'm thinking a guy who averages at least 45 and has a bowling below around 27-28.

All those guys listed are far better at one facet of the game than the other, which subsequently becomes what they're predominantly known for.

I would stay Stokes' bowling and batting are much closer, but the level of either those aren't that great to begin with, relative to those considered great.

That’s a very hard standard to live up to.

To produce those type of stats at both batting and bowling you’re talking about an absolute freak of an athlete. I doubt we’ll ever see a better all rounders than Kallis, Miller & Khan

Kallis the best batting all rounder

Miller/Khan the best bowling all rounders

 

[WaznTheGreat]

That’s a very hard standard to live up to.

To produce those type of stats at both batting and bowling you’re talking about an absolute freak of an athlete. I doubt we’ll ever see a better all rounder than Kallis. He’s really the Bradman of all rounders.

Kallis and Sobers best batting all-rounders,Imran Khan and Keith Miller best bowling all-rounders

 

[Bazal]

Shane Watson the best DRS all-rounder

 

[herbert henry1908]

Kallis and Sobers best batting all-rounders,Imran Khan and Keith Miller best bowling all-rounders

Yeah I edited my post above to include Khan, forgot how good his stats were.

Sobers was probably a bit below Kallis, his bowling strike rate wasn’t great. Still, an amazing player.

 

[Raiders_Premiers]

That’s a very hard standard to live up to.

To produce those type of stats at both batting and bowling you’re talking about an absolute freak of an athlete. I doubt we’ll ever see a better all rounder than Kallis. He’s really the Bradman of all rounders.

You'd think though that over the course of the games' history there'd be at least one produced.

Can't agree with Kallis - he was always a batsman whose bowling was secondary to him. Don't think he'd make a Saffa side if he didn't bat.

Never watched him play obviously but I reckon Miller was the closest one. Averaged near 49 in FC cricket in a time when international players played domestically. Shame he couldn't quite transfer that record to Tests.

 

[WaznTheGreat]

Shane Watson the best DRS all-rounder

Simon O Donnell and Tom Moodys levers were very similar to Shane Watson's

 

[mozza91]

Stoinis > Sobers, Kallis and Flintoff combined to be fair.

 

[Bazal]

In all seriousness anyone who averaged over 30 with the bat and under 30 with the ball consistently still rings true as a genuine all rounder IMO.

It's unbelievably rare to be markedly better than that when you have to focus on two disciplines. A guy like Smith can face thousands of balls and then trundle out three overs of leggies because that's all he needs to do...

 

[WaznTheGreat]

I just randomly got cranky that Shaun Pollock isn't talked about when discussing all-rounders

32 with the bat and 23 with the ball is vastly superior to the Kapil Devs.Ian Botham's and Andrew Flintoffs of this world

Cricket world should be ashamed and mercilessly mocked for this disgrace lol