2019 ASHES: 4th Test Australia v England, Old Trafford Sept 4-9

[WaznTheGreat]

So what are we all thinking about tonight?

Out for 180 and in bed by midnight. Cummins made the 4am stay worth it, but once is enough

Im thinking that if Australia does not win this that at least you merkins will be entertained by some of the all time great rants in here by myself,it's a win win tbh

 

[VictoryFC]

Point is which is the general cricket fan more likely to reminisce over...a terrifying Allan Donald/Dale Steyn five-for where he shattered stumps and hit blokes in the face at 145kph, or a hard working Pollock five-for where he nipped blokes out with sustained pressure and gentle away swing at 132kph?

That's what I mean by the age thing. My first world cup memories were 1999. And because I mostly watched ODIs during the 00s, my lasting memories of that Saffer team when they played Aus or NZ were Pollock, Kallis and Gibbs. As Pollock scored runs as well as an all rounder, he is far more memorable to me than Donald. It's the same thing with guys like Bevan, Symonds, etc who contribute on both sides of the ball. It wasn't until later that I started to appreciate out and out bowlers.

I should add I used to be a Blackcaps fan as an 8 year old. My favourite player was Chris Cairns. Fantastic all rounder. At the time, that's what I thought made good cricket players, guys who could dominate on att/def.

 

[Bazal]

Yes but you're imposing your experience on a generation.

I'm guessing I'm a similar age and my experience is as stated. Most of the people I know and even play cricket with rate Pollock as I said earlier.

 

[WaznTheGreat]

Shakib Al Hasan is a good all-rounder but because we hardly ever see Australia play Bangladesh our brains don't remember him

 

[Bazal]

Shakib Al Hasan is a good all-rounder but because we hardly ever see Australia play Bangladesh our brains don't remember him

Spin bowling all rounders don't count brah.

You bat top four and bowl off four steps, whoop-de-doo

 

[VictoryFC]

Yes but you're imposing your experience on a generation.

I'm guessing I'm a similar age and my experience is as stated. Most of the people I know and even play cricket with rate Pollock as I said earlier.

I suppose, though I think the general fan is swayed more by batting exploits than bowling. Even in my hazy memory of it I remember Pollock coming in and getting crucial knocks.

Finally, as a red head, he was unique looking and stood out more, and even though it shouldn't count for anything I think it does.

 

[WaznTheGreat]

Spin bowling all rounders don't count brah.

You bat top four and bowl off four steps, whoop-de-doo

Dipak Patel would have taken 600 test wickets if he got to bowl against Bancroft,Harris,Uzzie and Warner bruh

 

[Bazal]

Dipak Patel would have taken 600 test wickets if he got to bowl against Bancroft,Harris,Uzzie and Warner bruh

Dan Cullen would be the GOAT in this era tbh.

Jason Krejza would have 500 wickets at an average of 63

 

[hineyrulz]

That’s a very hard standard to live up to.

To produce those type of stats at both batting and bowling you’re talking about an absolute freak of an athlete. I doubt we’ll ever see a better all rounders than Kallis, Miller & Khan

Kallis the best batting all rounder

Miller/Khan the best bowling all rounders

Sobers>>>>>>>>>> Kallis as a Batsman IMO.

 

[TheFrog]

Sobers>>>>>>>>>> Kallis as a Batsman IMO.

I saw Sobers at the back end of his career and I couldn't make that call either way. Two champion allrounders, leave it at that.

 

[Hutty1986]

Let's win this merkin you merkins

 

[Eelectrica]

Jason Roy double century by lunch coming up.
Gotta top Warner.

 

[Eelogical]

Sorry, I meant the "Who the hell is Andrew Davey?" joke.

Who?

 

[hineyrulz]

lol crowd cheering bat on ball now.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Sobers>>>>>>>>>> Kallis as a Batsman IMO.

Kallis is cricket's version of Jarrod Croker.

 

[hineyrulz]

Kallis is cricket's version of Jarrod Croker.

BYAR????

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Great averages for Denly, 23.16 and Roy, 18.66. Too bad they're not bowling averages.

 

[Eelectrica]

Well done with these non-reviews Paine.

 

[Hutty1986]

Poms luckiest test series of all time continues

 

[Raiders_Premiers]

Cmon Boosh. Gotta do better than that