2019 team line up

[Philip_Smith007]

Who would be dumb enough to take him?

Super League club?

 

[Philip_Smith007]

Surely we could release Lisone and get some money for the war chest?

Is there a list of Forwards off contract?
Will need to be a Kiwi as well.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Surely we could release Lisone and get some money for the war chest?

I'd release him even if no one wanted him. But as someone said, he's got zero currency. No one's picking up the cheque from us on him.

I dunno what the more learned league posters think of him, whether he's ever shown promise...but he looks to me like someone who could be a second rower if he really wanted to be, but his attitude and application absolutely stink. He's the remaining member of the Stupid Six, right?

 

[Rich102]

Right.
This is the problem with not getting the ISP games on TV.
Can anyone who attends the ISP games comment on his performances?

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

It's hard not to like Bunty but I feel like he is always sitting on the cusp between "all-action hard running forward" and "target practice who is about to get obliterated by an actual prop". He brings energy and when he's fresh he can bend the line, but on average I'd say he's below-average as a go-forward man. He simply lacks stand-out athletic attributes- not that big, not that fast.

Isn't Bunty's forte supposed to be workrate and doing the little things right? I actually sort of think Bunty would be more effective in the Tevaga role as he could still play that "3rd prop role" and do it in a more legit way than Jazz, but with more of a focus on playing longer minutes and not having to pretend to be an impact man.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

Re: Lisone

When I watched under-20s in 2014, I got the impression Lisone was like the "Steve Price" of the team who got through 20+ hit ups a game with a handful of effective offloads. He wasn't the crash and bash impact man.

Did I get the wrong impression, or is it just a case of it being easier to appear to have a good work rate in 20s because of the slower pace of play? Maybe the same applies to Afoa and I am delusional about him ever being a big minutes guy.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

It's hard not to like Bunty but I feel like he is always sitting on the cusp between "all-action hard running forward" and "target practice who is about to get obliterated by an actual prop". He brings energy and when he's fresh he can bend the line, but on average I'd say he's below-average as a go-forward man. He simply lacks stand-out athletic attributes- not that big, not that fast.

Isn't Bunty's forte supposed to be workrate and doing the little things right? I actually sort of think Bunty would be more effective in the Tevaga role as he could still play that "3rd prop role" and do it in a more legit way than Jazz, but with more of a focus on playing longer minutes and not having to pretend to be an impact man.

In our last "finals" game against the Panthers, there was a time where I seen Bunty running full bull (and we totally respect players puttin in a 100%) at Kikau. Nek minit, Kikau manhandled Bunty by himself. Kikau made it look easy! Kikau is quite the specimen though so maybe he does that to other "props", but it was just an anti-climax to what looked like a very promising hit up from Bunty. I wouldn't blame a Panther fan for laughing.

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

Re: Lisone

When I watched under-20s in 2014, I got the impression Lisone was like the "Steve Price" of the team who got through 20+ hit ups a game with a handful of effective offloads. He wasn't the crash and bash impact man.

Did I get the wrong impression, or is it just a case of it being easier to appear to have a good work rate in 20s because of the slower pace of play? Maybe the same applies to Afoa and I am delusional about him ever being a big minutes guy.

Well he definitely does one crash and bash when he gets on and then he either briefly goes missing on attack, or looks to do tip ons for other forwards. It annoys me that he doesn't run with that same intent to bust as he does with his first hit up. Normally just does one good opening hit up and then thinks thats it or gets a feel for the defence and thinks to himself that he's going to get smashed if he does that again. I'm not a fan of Lisone but he's a very skill-full prop whose still got plenty of league in him.

 

[Benek]

News is Luke talking to Newcastle. I don't have confidence in next year if all we have for hooker is injury prone (but undoubtedly promising) Roach.

 

[Blair]

Right.
This is the problem with not getting the ISP games on TV.
Can anyone who attends the ISP games comment on his performances?

He didn't really play this year, through injury. The one game I did see him at the game, vs Blacktown, he was supposed to be really putting in, in lieu of a first grade call-up, but he had an unremarkable outing. Very much overshadowed by the outstanding Vete (and Tof Sipley for the opposition) who, in contrast, really put in, hit the line really hard, and so forth.

I think the consensus on Lisone, is that he can be an effective, even dynamic, attacking player. But the team needs to be 'on a roll'. He's skillful, moves well laterally, has energy (the Gubb-effect) but is, on the whole, a disappointment for us. We don't need good-time Charlies, especially in the pack.

 

[Blair]

News is Luke talking to Newcastle. I don't have confidence in next year if all we have for hooker is injury prone (but undoubtedly promising) Roach.

Regardless of what we think about his performance over the period of the last three years, there's no doubt about Luke's popularity with fans, particularly amongst Maori New Zealanders.

Have you been to games, after we've won? When Bully comes over, arms outstretched, head to the side, the response from the fans, it's almost biblical.

 

[Philip_Smith007]

Should have put this here instead of rumors forum.
But Cam Smith doesn't have a contract for next year.
Has done it all except Clive Churchill and winning a teams maiden premiership (don't worry about going to Gold Coast).
I hope we are making a play.
He's trained with Corvo, apparently likes Kearney, Auckland is out of line light like Melbourne. TV gigs might be an issue vs what Aussie offers.

Just not sure about Barb.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Luke is booked in for shoulder surgery this week. My guess is for a shoulder reconstruction to fix the issues from his shoulder dislocating during the season (and earlier). He'll be struggling to be fit for the start of the season if thats true.

 

[Burns]

Just read that RTS is out for the Australia Test and Europe tour due to the knee operation and recovery time.

Big blow

 

[Benek]

https://www.warriors.kiwi/news/2018/09/25/lino-granted-release-by-vodafone-warriors/

Sounds like Lino is going. Who's replacing him as backup playmaker next year?

 

[Shaun Hewitt]

Lino gone.

Is this money we can add to Luke? If Luke does go to Newcastle, I guess we could try get Levi??

Shame we let Manaia Cherrington go, thought he was alright