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2020: NRL 360

Joshuatheeel

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It would be a pretty good spine:

1. Tom T
6. Gutho
7. DCE
9. Api / Fainu

Plus you have a quality 80min middle forward in Jake T and an impact attacking forward in Taupau. It's a pretty good way to spend the big dollars of your cap IMO.

$750k for a 6, that has a shit kicking game is stupid especially when Tom t can’t kick either !!
 

Noise

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$750k for a 6, that has a shit kicking game is stupid especially when Tom t can’t kick either !!

So your issue is you don't think he's a good 5/8. Fair enough. With such quality in the spine I think he would do a decent job at 6. Api is not a bad kicker either which would take some pressure off DCE. If they can all fit under the salary cap it doesn't matter who is getting paid what. I f**ken hate Manly butI would love to have those kind of players in the spine.
 

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So your issue is you don't think he's a good 5/8. Fair enough. With such quality in the spine I think he would do a decent job at 6. Api is not a bad kicker either which would take some pressure off DCE. If they can all fit under the salary cap it doesn't matter who is getting paid what. I f**ken hate Manly butI would love to have those kind of players in the spine.

Manly's side already stinks outside of about four players.

If they splash 750k on Gutho, with DCE on a ridiculous deal, the TurboBrahs on a pretty penny along with Taupau....sheesh, the balance of the squad is going to be even worse. They'll have to find even shittier players than they already have stinking up their three-quarter line and take the same approach to the pack as well.

Classic Des. Not much of a roster manager
 

Noise

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Manly's side already stinks outside of about four players.

If they splash 750k on Gutho, with DCE on a ridiculous deal, the TurboBrahs on a pretty penny along with Taupau....sheesh, the balance of the squad is going to be even worse. They'll have to find even shittier players than they already have stinking up their three-quarter line and take the same approach to the pack as well.

Classic Des. Not much of a roster manager

They are currently 6th with the same amount of wins and losses as us. They have achieved that with their 2 best players DCE and Tommy T only playing 2 or 3 games together. They are also doing it with Dylan Walker on the sidelines but still paying him Gutho type money. I don't see how adding Gutho and punting Walker (who isn't even playing) on similar coin makes them any worse.
 

emjaycee

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It would be a pretty good spine:

1. Tom T
6. Gutho
7. DCE
9. Api / Fainu

Plus you have a quality 80min middle forward in Jake T and an impact attacking forward in Taupau. It's a pretty good way to spend the big dollars of your cap IMO.

So your issue is you don't think he's a good 5/8. Fair enough. With such quality in the spine I think he would do a decent job at 6. Api is not a bad kicker either which would take some pressure off DCE. If they can all fit under the salary cap it doesn't matter who is getting paid what. I f**ken hate Manly butI would love to have those kind of players in the spine.

Isn't that the same spine (apart from Gutho) that got them their 7 wins last year? Of course they didn't have a quality 80 min middle forward in Jake T and an impact attacking forward in Taupau last year so... oh hang on a sec.

Do you really think just adding Gutho is going to make a huge difference?
 

Noise

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Isn't that the same spine (apart from Gutho) that got them their 7 wins last year? Of course they didn't have a quality 80 min middle forward in Jake T and an impact attacking forward in Taupau last year so... oh hang on a sec.

Do you really think just adding Gutho is going to make a huge difference?

Barrett was coaching in 2018 and I don't think he will be back in 2020 when Gutho gets there. Hasler has got the team playing better and I am sure they will finish higher than what Barrett did. Surely you can see that? Hasler will be there next year too
 

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They are currently 6th with the same amount of wins and losses as us. They have achieved that with their 2 best players DCE and Tommy T only playing 2 or 3 games together. They are also doing it with Dylan Walker on the sidelines but still paying him Gutho type money. I don't see how adding Gutho and punting Walker (who isn't even playing) on similar coin makes them any worse.

Their three quarter line is probably only superior to the Dogs even wiith Walker. And even then it's a stretch.

Sure, they might punt Walker. They almost certainly won't re-sign him, but he's not on 750k. So they're paying more for Gutho already, which hardly improves their roster remarkably (although Walker is an appalling defender).

They have seventeen players off contract...and they're reducing the available money even further because the players making it tight are still all signed up.

Spending more money to replace one player in a side that's already struggling to put decent players around overpaid players is hardly going to improve that roster is it?
 

Poupou Escobar

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They are currently 6th with the same amount of wins and losses as us. They have achieved that with their 2 best players DCE and Tommy T only playing 2 or 3 games together. They are also doing it with Dylan Walker on the sidelines but still paying him Gutho type money. I don't see how adding Gutho and punting Walker (who isn't even playing) on similar coin makes them any worse.
And those same merkins finished 15th last year. Seven games isn't a good sample, which is why we're not throwing huge money at Gutherson after half a dozen good games.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Barrett was coaching in 2018 and I don't think he will be back in 2020 when Gutho gets there. Hasler has got the team playing better and I am sure they will finish higher than what Barrett did. Surely you can see that? Hasler will be there next year too
They won 14 games under Barrett in 2017. He overachieved with that squad full of reserve graders.
 

Noise

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And those same merkins finished 15th last year. Seven games isn't a good sample, which is why we're not throwing huge money at Gutherson after half a dozen good games.
Trent Barrett publicly wanted out of the club during 2018. If your coach wants to bail you aren't going to be to successful
 

Gazzamatta

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Isn't that the same spine (apart from Gutho) that got them their 7 wins last year? Of course they didn't have a quality 80 min middle forward in Jake T and an impact attacking forward in Taupau last year so... oh hang on a sec.

Do you really think just adding Gutho is going to make a huge difference?
Getting a quality coach seems to have helped.
 

Bazal

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Sure and based on 2019's small sample size our coach is as good as theirs at the moment.

And is Des really a genuinely good coach?

I mean as an all round coach, he's obviously won premierships with very good Manly sides. But there's more to coaching that what happens on the field every year, and he's also left two salary caps in absolute ruin...
 

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