The Game 2021 Judiciary Charges

[Smug Panther]

Pereira gets 3 weeks!! Really highlights how ridiculous Mitchell’s 4 weeks was.

Latrell purposely aimed at the head. He's a grub and got what he deserved

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Roosters lost their best player for the game and he will probably be out next week too. He didn't mean to hit him high but it was also late and he could have pulled out of that.

I don't understand this line of thought. Anasta said it during the call too. Why the bloody hell would it be important who Pereira hit? If he did it on purpose knowing it was Teddy, then ok...but wowee, placing any relevance on who the tackler hits in a judicial charge, that's a slippery slope. If you hit Teddy, 5 weeks. If you hit Jarrod Croker, the Raiders give you 4 premiership points.

 

[Leber]

If Curran gets suspended for clashing his head with Jennings head, then does Jennings get suspended to?

It was a ‘clash of heads’ after all.

 

[OzDragon]

So when's the candlelight vigil for Tedesco?

 

[Captain Apollo]

So when's the candlelight vigil for Tedesco?

It was last night. Didn't you get the memo?

 

[Walpole]

If the positions were reversed on the Pereira/Teddy tackle, would Teddy get 3 weeks? Or would Pereira have been falling into the tackle, at high speed, while Teddy wan't even looking where his arm connected?

 

[The_Frog]

This pic below is evidence enough to me that there are strong grounds that a suspension should be challenged...

Look at where the ball was when the swing of his arm started. You can't tell me he didn't have time to pull out.

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

Look at where the ball was when the swing of his arm started. You can't tell me he didn't have time to pull out.

Yes I can...

What if instead Tedesco actually held the ball/dummied n ran right past Periera who “pulled out”...?

Periera wouldn’t get another game in first grade if he did that.


We’ve all had days to ponder, discuss, dissect and criticise all this. Periera had a split second to make a decision, which he committed to... if he instead saw Tedesco running at him and thought “I better pull out” coz he may pass....

If Tedesco hadn’t stumbled and he got hit high, I’d think 3-4 weeks would be too lenient. But he did stumble.... which was the biggest contributor to the high shot he copped.

 

[Valheru]

I don't understand this line of thought. Anasta said it during the call too. Why the bloody hell would it be important who Pereira hit? If he did it on purpose knowing it was Teddy, then ok...but wowee, placing any relevance on who the tackler hits in a judicial charge, that's a slippery slope. If you hit Teddy, 5 weeks. If you hit Jarrod Croker, the Raiders give you 4 premiership points.

That's not what I meant.

We lost a player for the whole game and possibly this coming week then.

 

[Valheru]

If the positions were reversed on the Pereira/Teddy tackle, would Teddy get 3 weeks? Or would Pereira have been falling into the tackle, at high speed, while Teddy wan't even looking where his arm connected?

Why wouldn't it be the same? What evidence do you have that it wouldn't be?

Falling in to the tackle hasn't been an excuse for players for years now. In that very same game the roosters got penalised for brushing the face of a player that was about 6 inches off the ground.

 

[Valheru]

Yes I can...

What if instead Tedesco actually held the ball/dummied n ran right past Periera who “pulled out”...?

Periera wouldn’t get another game in first grade if he did that.


We’ve all had days to ponder, discuss, dissect and criticise all this. Periera had a split second to make a decision, which he committed to... if he instead saw Tedesco running at him and thought “I better pull out” coz he may pass....

If Tedesco hadn’t stumbled and he got hit high, I’d think 3-4 weeks would be too lenient. But he did stumble.... which was the biggest contributor to the high shot he copped.

He absolutely had time.

Your scenario wouldn't happen because he had time to determine the ball had been passed.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

That's not what I meant.

We lost a player for the whole game and possibly this coming week then.

I get that. But if Pereira was aiming chest or so, as myself and others believe, and we also believe that he didn't have time to pull out (I know you do)...then that's just hard luck, isn't it?

Ignore this case. If someone ducks or slips into a tackle, the tackler is aiming to hit the guy across the chest and all of a sudden makes head contact, unfortunately that's on the guy who slipped. If he's out for a week/weeks, well sometimes in rugby league there's hard luck. Same as getting injured etc. In cricket, if a batsman ducks into a short ball at his chest, no one blames the bowler. I know that's more purposeful, but again - if you slip into contact, unfortunately that's on you.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Yes I can...

What if instead Tedesco actually held the ball/dummied n ran right past Periera who “pulled out”...?

Periera wouldn’t get another game in first grade if he did that.


We’ve all had days to ponder, discuss, dissect and criticise all this. Periera had a split second to make a decision, which he committed to... if he instead saw Tedesco running at him and thought “I better pull out” coz he may pass....

If Tedesco hadn’t stumbled and he got hit high, I’d think 3-4 weeks would be too lenient. But he did stumble.... which was the biggest contributor to the high shot he copped.

This is why we need to watch these things in real motion. You watch it in slow-mo and all of a sudden 'oh but he he had time to pull out'. Here's the scenarios:

a) Pereira didn't have time to pull out because it's a fast game and decisions are made at pace. He was meaning to make contact across the chest, but unfortunately Tedesco slipped and wore one. Nothing on Pereira who was trying to make a tackle that happens 1000x a game.

b) Pereira did have time to pull out...which means that anyone who believes this line of thought, is basically saying that Pereira could have pulled out but instead chose to hit Tedesco in the head. Which is a hell of an accusation.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

This is why we need to watch these things in real motion. You watch it in slow-mo and all of a sudden 'oh but he he had time to pull out'. Here's the scenarios:

a) Pereira didn't have time to pull out because it's a fast game and decisions are made at pace. He was meaning to make contact across the chest, but unfortunately Tedesco slipped and wore one. Nothing on Pereira who was trying to make a tackle that happens 1000x a game.

b) Pereira did have time to pull out...which means that anyone who believes this line of thought, is basically saying that Pereira could have pulled out but instead chose to hit Tedesco in the head. Which is a hell of an accusation.

There’s another alternate to your b) scenario. He might’ve just been lazy. We’ve seen lazy high shots before, haven’t we?

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

He absolutely had time.

Your scenario wouldn't happen because he had time to determine the ball had been passed.

I disagree that he had time to pull out.

And while I disagree with the level charge on Periera (As I believe the stumble contributed mostly to the subsequent head contact) and others this weekend imposed by the match review committee... they disagree as well. The charge does not include a “late hit”... it was contact with the head...

If indeed the charge included a late hit he’d be up for much more time on the sideline than 3 weeks. By saying he had time to pull out is inferring that it was a late, deliberate/reckless hit on Tedesco - which I strongly disagree with.

I get your comments on losing Tedesco for that match and possibly next game. I get that you didn’t mean to infer punishment should be altered because it was Tedesco rather than joe bloggs... who it was shouldn’t matter..

However whenever a “big name player” goes down from a hit... the commentary focuses on it.... will debate it, and have generally howled plenty of times at “protecting playmakers”. This puts a media spotlight on it ... and calls for lengthy bans, should be a send off etc...

So while I truly believe you when you said you didn’t infer “Tedesco” should come into it etc... I also believe that while they’ll never say it... because of reasons whatever... offences against these “stars” will and do result in different judgments... because of the attention and discussion they attract, and the media looking to create big stories...

Eg the Fox half time show spent 90% of its time discussing Tedesco and debating it should be a send off... yet it was the biggest crowd of the year at the annual Anzac Day clash which - at that stage, was a close game of football with plenty of action to discuss..

It’s not tedescos fault. But because he was involved, others focussed on that.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

There’s another alternate to your b) scenario. He might’ve just been lazy. We’ve seen lazy high shots before, haven’t we?

Yep OK, c) it was a lazy shot. So it's one of the three.

 

[Delboy]

Strangely enough, perhaps if the MRC has graded Kaufusi’s action on Matterson properly , it could have been a warning to everyone in the NRL.

Playing catch up after such a weak grading, although there does seem to be a slight weakening of the knees when the Storm are involved, possibly hasn’t helped .

 

[Valheru]

I get that. But if Pereira was aiming chest or so, as myself and others believe, and we also believe that he didn't have time to pull out (I know you do)...then that's just hard luck, isn't it?

Ignore this case. If someone ducks or slips into a tackle, the tackler is aiming to hit the guy across the chest and all of a sudden makes head contact, unfortunately that's on the guy who slipped. If he's out for a week/weeks, well sometimes in rugby league there's hard luck. Same as getting injured etc. In cricket, if a batsman ducks into a short ball at his chest, no one blames the bowler. I know that's more purposeful, but again - if you slip into contact, unfortunately that's on you.

Slipping in to a tackle and getting hit high has been penalised as foul play for many years now as the onus is on the defender to not contact the head in all cases. Those are the rules so your starting base of it being Teddy's fault is contrary to the rules.

That is ignoring the fact it was late and a swinging arm.

 

[The_Frog]

What if instead Tedesco actually held the ball/dummied n ran right past Periera who “pulled out”...?

I've used this argument myself, but my feeling is that he had time to pull out knowing Teddy had tapped the ball on.. The arm gives it away. It moves after the ball has been tapped on. If you can swing your arm you can drop it to your side.

 

[lockyno1]

I've used this argument myself, but my feeling is that he had time to pull out knowing Teddy had tapped the ball on.. The arm gives it away. It moves after the ball has been tapped on. If you can swing your arm you can drop it to your side.

This. 99 times out of 100 whilst players aren't dirty players, they know what they are doing.