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The Game 2021 Judiciary Charges

How many weeks for Mitchell

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Penrose Warrior

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Slipping in to a tackle and getting hit high has been penalised as foul play for many years now as the onus is on the defender to not contact the head in all cases. Those are the rules so your starting base of it being Teddy's fault is contrary to the rules.

That is ignoring the fact it was late and a swinging arm.

Just out of interest, has anyone ever been accused of a swinging arm in a normal tackle? Like, it's only a swinging arm when it hits someone in the head, right? How else do you make tackles if you don't, by definition, swing your arm into an attacker. It's only that there's less swing in a lower tackle, because the torso/legs are wider than a head - so the only head contact seems 'swinging' where other tackles 'wrap'. If Teddy doesn't slip, I don't think anyone posts 'ooh that was a swinging arm to his chest'.

And if the onus is on the defender to not contact the head then that's a shame some people have to sit in the bin or suspended for things completely outside their power. Looking for a penalty late in a game at 20-all? Just slip, or duck. The precedent is set.
 

Penrose Warrior

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I dunno man, a lot of people in here who think you can readjust an arm that is already in motion fairly simply in a fast-paced game like rugby league. You guys should join the circus with that sort of body control.

And if Curran gets suspended, I am going to shit on Andrew Abdo's desk.
 
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Use of a swinging arm is not construed as misconduct in the laws of the game of rugby league. Making contact with the head whilst effecting or attempting to make a tackle is. Things like was it a swinging arm, stiff arm, open or closed fist etc is often what is used to try and determine the seriousness of the contact and whether it is classified as deliberate or not (e.g. a swinging, stiff arm with a clenched fist which hits the head of an opposing player whilst making a tackle is usually considered by many to be intentional).
 

Meth

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I said at the time that if Curran got penalised, I hate Rugby League.

The reality is that I am in way too deep to actually follow through with my empty threats of not watching Rugby League, but if there's one thing that makes me want to give the game in, it's this shit. Abdo. Annesley. Cecchin. Chiddy. All of these bastards can get in the bin.

If Curran gets anything less than an apology, it'll be an outrage.
 
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I've used this argument myself, but my feeling is that he had time to pull out knowing Teddy had tapped the ball on.. The arm gives it away. It moves after the ball has been tapped on. If you can swing your arm you can drop it to your side.

I agree with contact to the head only. I don't believe, nor did the match review committee, that he had time to pull out, otherwise there'd be an additional charge of a late hit - which would have escalated the potential suspension length.

I've just gone and had another look at it after your post though.... frame by frame leading into it. Can't show these frames on the post... Video link below..

All of this happens "in the 3rd second".. ie one second of play.

Its' my "Zapruder film" walk through...

At the start of the "3rd second"..
  • Periera comes in off the wing with the Roosters on a 3-man overlap - targets Tedesco (receiving the pass. At this time - Periera is approx 3m from Tedesco, both are running essentially toward each other.
  • When Tedesco first touches the ball, Periera is about a metre and a half away from Tedesco, who is propped on his right foot, and leaning to change his direction. Pereira is bracing to tackle.
  • Tedesco taps it on as you suggest, by which time they are about a metre from each other. Both Players heads are at the same "height" off the ground. Pereira is committed to the tackle and there's no way they wont collide - however that may be.
  • As the ball starts heading toward the wing from the tap-on, they are basically in front of each other, Periera's right arm is down by his side - bracing to make a tackle. He may or may not have expected the tap on - and if Tedesco actually took the ball (rather than tap it) it would still be in his possession at this time. Their heads are still at roughly the same height
  • As Pereira's arm goes out for the tackle and his head turns, Tedesco's right leg / knee are now only inches off the ground and his head drops a significant height..
  • Tedesco's head, just before impact - is now at the same height as Periera's shoulder... ie it's dropped from being at the same height as JP's to being at JPs shoulder in a spilt second..
  • On Impact, Periera's arm is angled down well below his shoulder height - Tedesco's head is now below the top of JP's shoulder... pic below.
  • By the end of the "3rd second" - the outside man has already taken the ball, and Tedesco is on the ground, with JP over the top of him..
All that said - if Tedesco's head stays at the same height is was when they were when the ball leaves Tedesco's hands - less than a metre away from each other - JP's arm will get Tedesco around the chest.

When Tedesco does tap the ball on, JP is completely committed to the tackle, his arm is angled below his shoulder at all times, and attempts to wrap around Tedesco.

What else could JP have done?

  • Keep his arm down by his side? Well that would have been a shoulder charge by modern day standards...
  • Withdraw from the tackle all together? At less than a metre away from each other - both players running toward each other. Absolutely no chance of that.
  • Anticipated Tedesco's fall?? No chance of that either.

Breaking down something that happened in one second of play can definitely change the perspective of what "really happened" - ie play in "real time". And sometimes for the worse. But in this instance I believe it truly gives weight to the argument that Pereira has a legitimate case to get a far less penalty than has been assessed, and the tackle is far less "shocking" than many in the media suggest it is. The end result to Tedesco was bad, head contact and out for the rest of the game and possibly longer, but IMO it was far more accient than any issue with Pereira's attempt of tackle or technique.


Tedesco flattened by high shot | Fox Sports Videos

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Fufu Andronez

First Grade
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Curran is fighting it.

I don't even think it's a grade 1. Its ridiculous that it hasn't been thrown out altogether.
If he takes the grade 1 will he escape suspension?

Hope so, because he is finally showing something and would love him to keep the momentum going.

f**ken joke he has to waste his time at the judiciary anyway.
 
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I would have loved to see both Rav & Pereira challenge their charges at the judiciary.

Curran / The Storm is testing his - and I'm glad they are.

Suggest the reasoning of these charge responses is the Dragons have more to lose if they lost - 2 of their 3 wingers gone for much longer. Where the Storm have an up n coming forward - of which they have many others in the factory. Oh - and that there wasn't any contact with the opponents' head... pretty good reason also..
 
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Yup.

Gets a fine though I think. Which is still stupid.

Until the end of 2019 many grade 1 charges gave you less than 100 penalty points at base level. With players missing finals games due to having these carry over points later in the season, they changed it to a monetary fine only in 2020 following the AFL who do similar.
 

This Year?

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As usual the Dragons just bend over. Teddy tries to duck his head and Pereira will pay dearly for it. I'm fine with the sinbin because of head contact so Teddy could be replaced interchange free but Pereira shouldn't be punished any more than that.
 

Meth

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If he takes the grade 1 will he escape suspension?

Hope so, because he is finally showing something and would love him to keep the momentum going.

f**ken joke he has to waste his time at the judiciary anyway.

I totally think he should not plead guilty. Even if he has to risk a longer suspension
 

lockyno1

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As usual the Dragons just bend over. Teddy tries to duck his head and Pereira will pay dearly for it. I'm fine with the sinbin because of head contact so Teddy could be replaced interchange free but Pereira shouldn't be punished any more than that.

Zero chance of getting either change reduced or thrown out. Rava is unlucky but players have to use their arms being a clumsy bloke isn’t an excuse.
 
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As usual the Dragons just bend over. Teddy tries to duck his head and Pereira will pay dearly for it. I'm fine with the sinbin because of head contact so Teddy could be replaced interchange free but Pereira shouldn't be punished any more than that.

It baffles me why we haven’t challenged anything the match review committee have dished up in recent times. I actually can’t remember the last time we did?

I’m guessing it’s a Sims brother...
 

Exsilium

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The Dragons should have challenged the Pereira incident. Not sure how else he could have mitigated the tackle. If it was someone more important, maybe it would be worth a shot but if clubs and players just fold, the NRL will say the system works.

Its a lottery.
 

This Year?

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Zero chance of getting either change reduced or thrown out. Rava is unlucky but players have to use their arms being a clumsy bloke isn’t an excuse.
I have no issue with the Rava one. He didn't get his timing right with the wrapping motion and players that go in for a big hit are always at a risk of mucking it up and getting penalised for it.
 

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