2021 Rnd 25 V Parramatta

[WestyLife]

Pre-Origin is different, Bennett, Bellamy, Des will find weaknesses. All of those sides have a very strong left sides. So having the defence of Momo with the strong running and ability under the high ball that Critter brings is smart. The challenge now is to find a few set moves to get Critter involved more

Still think the balance is better done differently. Staines/Crichton are fantastic together but you could put other players on the wing. Critta is our best right centre without question.

 

[Munky]

In terrible conditions last night edwards was absolutley brilliant and safe as houses under the high ball.

Watched the game twice. Even commentary have said so.

Hes generally a very safe fb and he has close to the lowest error rate for any back 3 in the whole comp.

I put the numbers up a while ago but, he averages close to only 0.6 mistakes a game which is great compared to all other back 3 players from other clubs.

The edwards isnt safe thing is a myth.

Hes weaknesses are well known and you touch on them.

Out of curiosity is not attempting a catch recorded as an error?

Not having a go but would be interesting if it appears in more advanced analytics.

 

[WestyLife]

One of Cleary's excuses for putting Tyrone May in the halves instead of Burton when Luai was available was that he wanted to minimize disruptions to the rest of the team. Now, when he thinks Staines is not up to it (and I agree with him!), instead of just bringing in the younger May five weeks ago and giving him a run of games until finals to see how he goes, he chooses to move his center, disrupting the team even more. Seems a little strange to me. Unfortunately, May's chance is long gone, so this is what we have.

This is the biggest problem we all have.

 

[Fangs]

I thought Tyrone May was pretty good yesterday. We know he is a fan favourite and has probably locked down that bench spot now.

 

[TheRiff]

Still think the balance is better done differently. Staines/Crichton are fantastic together but you could put other players on the wing. Critta is our best right centre without question.

If not Staines than who on the wing? Crichton likely moves back to the left for next season, given To'o was moved to play next to him

 

[Crashtest]

If Ivan can't see the difference Critter makes at right centre then he should be sacked

Imagine how that conversation would go!

Now Ivan, I know you are on track to get the Panthers into two straight grand finals, have just achieved the most dominant two season win record in the modern NRL error, have achieved the most wins in a season by a Panthers team, have the Panthers record for being undefeated for home matches,have developed a fantastic team first culture, have won 21 from 24 games this season, and had 18 wins and a draw from 20 games last season, and have the best defensive record of all teams over the last two seasons.

But there are some armchair critics on an NRL forum that know more about rugby league than you do, so if you don’t start listening to them for your team selections, we are going to have to sack you.

Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[TheRiff]

I thought Tyrone May was pretty good yesterday. We know he is a fan favourite and has probably locked down that bench spot now.

Was it ever in doubt? He is loved by Ivan, the players and can cover most positions

 

[Smug Panther]

Imagine how that conversation would go!

Now Ivan, I know you are on track to get the Panthers into two straight grand finals, have just achieved the most dominant two season win record in the modern NRL error, have achieved the most wins in a season by a Panthers team, have the Panthers record for being undefeated for home matches,have developed a fantastic team first culture, have won 21 from 24 games this season, and had 18 wins and a draw from 20 games last season, and have the best defensive record of all teams over the last two seasons.

But there are some armchair critics on an NRL forum that know more about rugby league than you do, so if you don’t start listening to them for your team selections, we are going to have to sack you.

Makes perfect sense to me.

Hyperbole mate. Learn to smile

 

[Girds89]

Out of curiosity is not attempting a catch recorded as an error?

Not having a go but would be interesting if it appears in more advanced analytics.

No its not.

If im thinking of the one you are where both he and Too let it bounce. That was really 50 50 whose it was. In the end it all ended well.

But i dont think theres any denying dyl is one of the safest backs in the nrl and hardest workers.

He does so much for the team in defence which we are built on. He also does alot of the grunt work in attack.

Its the more fancy stuff that isnt his strong suit.

But i think hes game suits our team. Especially atm.

 

[WestyLife]

If not Staines than who on the wing? Crichton likely moves back to the left for next season, given To'o was moved to play next to him

My personal preference is Staines but trying to meet other posters half way since a lot here don't rate him.

To'o won't move now. He'll stay on that side with Luai.

 

[mxlegend99]

Haha you obviously havent rewatched it.

I time stamped it so you could see and anyone else could that what you wrote is just wrong.

1st time in attacking possession around the 3rd min. He catches, in under half a second(less but being generous) realises theres a chance and tries to get the pass away which purposely got knocked down.

Only way that pass gets away in time is a no look tap on.

An extremley extremley low chance play..

2nd time he passed it. The parra winger come in and tried to do exactly whst he did the first time. Momo litterally caught the ball and by the time hed turned his head to look at defence jammining in hed made a decision and let it go in literally a split second. Barely took a step with it.

3rd time in the 43rd min he got hit basically from a hospital pass as he caught the ball but managed to bresk that tackle for a good run.

He might have had games earlier in the year when he missed passes. I was vocal for it too..

But stop with the hate. Its ridiculous. You just made lies up about last night that clearly arent true.

Im not expecting the momo hate to stop from the staines fan boys or the people upset critta isnt at centre.

But just dont make up lies. Call it as it is.

Other than not getting to the ball to knock it dead last night their side was defensivley great. Never looked threatened.

In attack they had extremley limited opportunites which has been the case for the right for 2 years.

Momo only got it 3 times in the attacking 50!! Passing on two and getting a hospital pass for the 3rd.

Him and critta were both really really strong bringing it out of our end given a rest to the forwards which really is so so important in the modern game.
They both really got super quick play the balls and a number of times were so strong in their runs that they got up with and played the ball and there was no, or only 1 marker in position which really allowed api to control the ruck. Too and burton snd edwards are just as good at it. Hence the awesome roll on we can get and momentum and the modern game is all about momentum.

But dont let the the truth get in the way of a good story mx.

Everyone is so keen to give staines or anyone on the wing ago instead. Do people not think maybe momo went back and worked on his passing and vision after he was out of the side the first time? Maybe ivan told him to work on it and he did?

Just like hes obviously told staines he needs to work on things before coming back up!!

I agree with most, id love to see critta at centre.. but literally the only option i think is potentially a goer there is switching him and momo.

Naden, i love him. Always been a fan but he just has to many mistakes to go with his brilliance he has.

Mays to inexperienced and isnt getting thrown in.

Staines deadset took the piss last few games before he got dropped effort wise and was making errors consistently. 2nd in nrl before getting dropped. Even the games hes tried his hardest his runs stop all momentum.... the #1 important thing in the modern game.
Its pretty obvious ivan recognised it as a serios weak point hence him not being winger.

So yes. Id love to see critta centre. I just think for the balance of the team it probably has to be him and momo and critta has probably more strengths suited to the wing than momo does.

f**k you can dribble some shit. For balance of the team ithas to be Critter at centre and anyone on the wing. They will all get better opportunities than the ones they get outside Momirovski.

The one game recently we are forced to shift him from right centre during the game the attack on the right suddenly starts firing

For about the third time this year he has been taken out of right centre for an instant improvement from his replacement (Tago and Capewell). But still nowhere near as good as when Critter is at right centre.

A reserve grade right side out defended them and score more points than they did. The only Eels try came by kicking in behind them. The few shots they fired at Eels were bombed. Not much point going down that edge when the try will be bombed.

 

[Fangs]

Was it ever in doubt? He is loved by Ivan, the players and can cover most positions

I thought it wasn't set in stone with Kenny doing a good job while he was injured. Though it's not in doubt now.

 

[DinkyDi]

Fingers crossed for more of this, against a stronger team.

 

[BxTom]

To'o scored a few on the right wing like that, No idea why they stopped. Very likely not showing all their cards yet

I was referring to bypassing Momo to get the ball to the wing.

 

[Abacus]

I thought Tyrone May was pretty good yesterday. We know he is a fan favourite and has probably locked down that bench spot now.

Yep, played well in his 29 minutes last night. Good to be able to get some miles in his legs against that Parra side.

 

[TheRiff]

I was referring to bypassing Momo to get the ball to the wing.

I mean that too, Cleary throws a decent harbour bridge pass

 

[TheRiff]

I thought it wasn't set in stone with Kenny doing a good job while he was injured. Though it's not in doubt now.

Kenny only works with someone that can play in the backs, on the bench

 

[TheRiff]

My personal preference is Staines but trying to meet other posters half way since a lot here don't rate him.

To'o won't move now. He'll stay on that side with Luai.

Staines error rate is against him, Naden and May also had a few errors. The Storm especially are great at turning these errors into tries, In an arm wrestle we win. So the plan would be pick a side that does the basics well, Stop the opppsition's stacked left side.

That is done, Critta mentioned playing a roaming role. Use him like that, get a few set moves even get TPJ on the right and points will come

 

[Girds89]

My personal preference is Staines but trying to meet other posters half way since a lot here don't rate him.

To'o won't move now. He'll stay on that side with Luai.

Its not people dont rate.

I like him. I rate him.

Hes just not an Nrl winger. Hes a fb.

He will get a shot there next year to prove whether hes up to pushing dyl out etc etc.

I think too and may will be the wingers next season. More than happy for staines to prove me wrong and develop into a top class winger.

He may do it, but will need to add 5 or 6 kgs of muscle and develop his game more.

 

[Girds89]

Staines error rate is against him, Naden and May also had a few errors. The Storm especially are great at turning these errors into tries, In an arm wrestle we win. So the plan would be pick a side that does the basics well, Stop the opppsition's stacked left side.

That is done, Critta mentioned playing a roaming role. Use him like that, get a few set moves even get TPJ on the right and points will come

Spot on. We are a team built on defence..

At our best, we than turn our attack into relentless pressure. That comes from defence first and foremost. Nath and luai getting constant repeat sets and just grinding teams down until they break all starts from our defence.

I have a feeling Ivan has told luai and nath over the last few weeks to put that short kicking game in the bag till the finals.

I means lets face it... we have been winning eaisly and basically scoring at will without having to build pressure and get repeat sets..

We all know luai and nath can do it..combined the lead the nrl in set restarts.

I think we will see it come back in the finals and play more to the pressure building style. I think we have just been testing our attack without it. Almost challenging themselves.

Anyway thats what people dont get with the momo selections, edwards at fb etc.

Its all part of a much bigger game plan than one individual.

Every individual has certain skills that gel into how our team plays.

Edwards at fb for example. We all know hes not the flashiest fb.
But is he safe... yes...
Is he good defensivley... yes
Does he get the defensivley sorted at the back perfectly... yes..we have best defensive in the comp and its well known fbs organise defilensive line.
Does he contribute 200m every week through tough runs givung guys a breather... yes.

Is he a turbo or teddy... absolutley not. But with yeo, nath, luai, api and kikau we dont need him to be like that. The team needs him to do exactly what he does well.

Same goes for momo.

Hes not as good as critta. Nowhere near.
But hes a good defender.
He gets on the front foot with tough carries out of our end.
And it allows critta to play wing.
Whilst its not the position best for him. Its best for the team.
Crittas a great defender. Reads the game well. Is safe as houses under the high ball and brings the ball back strong.

Its all the little things players do and how they combine to make up the team.

I get peoples frustrations, i really do. But i just dont see any other combo other than momo and critta that is allround and complete and most importantly fits into how our team plays.