2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[taipan]

so who will do the development in the areas outside of the immediate catchment areas of clubs

The NRL's responsibility should be solely non heartland states.

There is too much duplication within NSW ,NRL/NSWRL and clubs all involved.
The NSWRL is involved in regional NSW and QRL in Qld.

 

[Perth Tiger]

The NRL's responsibility should be solely non heartland states.

There is too much duplication within NSW ,NRL/NSWRL and clubs all involved.
The NSWRL is involved in regional NSW and QRL in Qld.

Agreed there is way too much duplication. To be honest I think the state RLs are pretty much superfluous to needs today but there is no chance of absorbing them into 1 unified NRL structure.

I see your point but I would learn towards removing development from clubs entirely. It would allow clubs to focus on their core goal of running a business while the NRL could have a greater purpose by focusing on growing the game.

You could involve the two state based comps and look to foster those clubs as development vehicles, rather than having Panthers, Tigers and the other handful of clubs doing it for the whole comp. That way expansion areas could start development programs before getting an NRL licence.

 

[Perth Red]

The clubs are getting more ,over and above the salary cap.That should be designated for development ,local and some regional.
There is talk of a reduced salary cap and reductions in club football dept mgt costs.As they get $13m now ,surely $1-$2m pa is not asking too much to set aside for grassroots.Times that by 16 plus development monies outlaid by the NRL /NSWRL/QRL would do the job?

Greenberg wanted to give them $11mill, clubs wanted $13mill and stuff the grassroots. How did that turn out? I’ll be staggered if clubs accept any cut.

 

[Perth Red]

The NRL's responsibility should be solely non heartland states.

There is too much duplication within NSW ,NRL/NSWRL and clubs all involved.
The NSWRL is involved in regional NSW and QRL in Qld.

This was richo’s plan. How did that work out?
Clubs “oh no you can’t take our control over jnrs”
nswrl “oh no you can’t take our funding and control”.
Guess what, nothing changed.

 

[Perth Red]

You’ve got to love the spin, Er no it’s $32mill less annually than last time!

“A soon-to-be-signed seven-year, $2.3bn TV broadcast deal is the richest in Australia’s sporting history”

 

[colly]

Look at what happens when you send in a woman to do the negotiations . She was a shocker!

Today Karl Q, hows negotiations going?

"You take a few blows to the body, you take a few hits to the head, but you keep your best punches for last" PVL

Rugby Australia, Raelene Castle spent $1m on failed broadcast negotiations

Former Rugby Australia CEO Raelene Castle. Picture: Getty

• exclusive
  Jessica Halloran
  Chief Sports Writer
• 11:08AM May 12, 2020
• 172 Comments

Rugby Australia last year paid close to $1m to broadcast rights strategists, who ultimately rejected a $US25m-a-year TV deal and then failed to secure a bid for the beleaguered code.

Former chief executive Raelene Castle hired Shane Mattiske and Michael Tange, who pushed RA to walk away from a five-year deal with Fox Sports last November in the hope of starting a bidding war. It never materialised.

It was revealed last week that Optus was never seriously in the running for the broadcast rights.

Today rugby faces financial collapse as Optus and Fox Sports (owned by News Corp, publisher of The Australian) turn their back on the struggling code, leaving the game with few if any options for broadcasting beyond 2020.

The Australian on Monday revealed a document affirming RA’s dire financial situation, which has the code staring at liabilities well in excess of $20m and facing insolvency. The game has blown $500m over the last four years and currently has no assets, no firm competition start date and no broadcast deal.

The Australian can reveal Mattiske and Tange have been paid by RA for nearly two years and a source confirmed they had collected well over $1m. Tange started working full-time in the RA office from July 2018 and was on the executive committee.

Former NRL interim CEO Shane Mattiske in 2012.
READ MORE:Rugby’s books reveal a blackhole|RA rotting financially and needs to come clean|World Cup the jewel in the crown|NZ gives rugby the go ahead
Castle first engaged Mattiske at Sportel Monaco, the global sports television conference, in October 2018. She was there with SANZAAR to meet with all her current and prospective broadcast partners. She signed Mattiske up at that Monaco conference to be a leader in broadcast rights talks. Both Mattiske and Tange are still engaged by Rugby Australia today.

Back in March, Castle, Mattiske and Tange were saying they wanted to have the broadcast deal sewn up and announced before the AGM. It never eventuated and then COVID-19 hit.

The pandemic has crippled the sports industry and media companies, including Fox Sports, which has already undertaken severe cost-cutting measures.

It is understood Fox Sports’ primary focus is on securing longer deals with the NRL and AFL. It has been reported that the NRL is close to signing a $2.5bn deal with Nine and Fox Sports.

The relationship between Castle and Fox Sports was reported to have soured earlier this year. Back then Fox Sports had indicated it would not be bidding for the rugby rights after relations between its executive team, Castle and RA board members hit a record low.

Super Rugby has failed to attract good crowds in recent years. Picture: AAP
Castle resigned almost a month ago after losing the confidence of the board. On Monday, it was announced an adapted version of Super Rugby would recommence with an Australian-only competition comprising five teams, including the Western Force, being planned.

It is expected to begin in July but may not be enough to rescue the financially stricken code.

Broadcast rights expert Colin Smith — who has advised most of the professional sports in Australia through his company Global Media and Sports — pointed out the Australia-only competition restarting will be required to be signed off by all the major broadcasters.

“It’s really sad but the SANZAAR members including Australia are not in a strong position,” Smith said. “Each broadcaster will have to actually individually sign off on whatever the broadcast arrangement is with SANZAAR and that it meets with their contractual commitments.

“The question is: will this satisfy the broadcast rights issues for the broadcasters of Super Rugby? It’s not just Foxtel, it’s Super Sport, Sky New Zealand and Sky UK. That would be 80-90 per cent of the broadcast rights fees for SANZAAR that are being shared across the SANZAAR members including Australia.”

 

[colly]

Look at what happens when you send in a woman to do the negotiations . She was a shocker!

Today Karl Q, hows negotiations going?

"You take a few blows to the body, you take a few hits to the head, but you keep your best punches for last" PVL

Rugby Australia, Raelene Castle spent $1m on failed broadcast negotiations

Former Rugby Australia CEO Raelene Castle. Picture: Getty

• exclusive
  Jessica Halloran
  Chief Sports Writer
• 11:08AM May 12, 2020
• 172 Comments

Rugby Australia last year paid close to $1m to broadcast rights strategists, who ultimately rejected a $US25m-a-year TV deal and then failed to secure a bid for the beleaguered code.

Former chief executive Raelene Castle hired Shane Mattiske and Michael Tange, who pushed RA to walk away from a five-year deal with Fox Sports last November in the hope of starting a bidding war. It never materialised.

It was revealed last week that Optus was never seriously in the running for the broadcast rights.

Today rugby faces financial collapse as Optus and Fox Sports (owned by News Corp, publisher of The Australian) turn their back on the struggling code, leaving the game with few if any options for broadcasting beyond 2020.

The Australian on Monday revealed a document affirming RA’s dire financial situation, which has the code staring at liabilities well in excess of $20m and facing insolvency. The game has blown $500m over the last four years and currently has no assets, no firm competition start date and no broadcast deal.

The Australian can reveal Mattiske and Tange have been paid by RA for nearly two years and a source confirmed they had collected well over $1m. Tange started working full-time in the RA office from July 2018 and was on the executive committee.

Former NRL interim CEO Shane Mattiske in 2012.
READ MORE:Rugby’s books reveal a blackhole|RA rotting financially and needs to come clean|World Cup the jewel in the crown|NZ gives rugby the go ahead
Castle first engaged Mattiske at Sportel Monaco, the global sports television conference, in October 2018. She was there with SANZAAR to meet with all her current and prospective broadcast partners. She signed Mattiske up at that Monaco conference to be a leader in broadcast rights talks. Both Mattiske and Tange are still engaged by Rugby Australia today.

Back in March, Castle, Mattiske and Tange were saying they wanted to have the broadcast deal sewn up and announced before the AGM. It never eventuated and then COVID-19 hit.

The pandemic has crippled the sports industry and media companies, including Fox Sports, which has already undertaken severe cost-cutting measures.

It is understood Fox Sports’ primary focus is on securing longer deals with the NRL and AFL. It has been reported that the NRL is close to signing a $2.5bn deal with Nine and Fox Sports.

The relationship between Castle and Fox Sports was reported to have soured earlier this year. Back then Fox Sports had indicated it would not be bidding for the rugby rights after relations between its executive team, Castle and RA board members hit a record low.

Super Rugby has failed to attract good crowds in recent years. Picture: AAP
Castle resigned almost a month ago after losing the confidence of the board. On Monday, it was announced an adapted version of Super Rugby would recommence with an Australian-only competition comprising five teams, including the Western Force, being planned.

It is expected to begin in July but may not be enough to rescue the financially stricken code.

Broadcast rights expert Colin Smith — who has advised most of the professional sports in Australia through his company Global Media and Sports — pointed out the Australia-only competition restarting will be required to be signed off by all the major broadcasters.

“It’s really sad but the SANZAAR members including Australia are not in a strong position,” Smith said. “Each broadcaster will have to actually individually sign off on whatever the broadcast arrangement is with SANZAAR and that it meets with their contractual commitments.

“The question is: will this satisfy the broadcast rights issues for the broadcasters of Super Rugby? It’s not just Foxtel, it’s Super Sport, Sky New Zealand and Sky UK. That would be 80-90 per cent of the broadcast rights fees for SANZAAR that are being shared across the SANZAAR members including Australia.”

So even with paid one $million dollar negotiators Castle couldn't seal the deal.

 

[Perth Red]

So even with paid one $million dollar negotiators Castle couldn't seal the deal.

it’s hard to sell a stinking piece of turd. Without the influence of the old school boys That union has in other countries we can see exactly how it would go on a level playing field with league. RL is simply a better game to watch and tv audiences and deal prove it.

mind you the author has the nrl deal at $2.5billion so maybe facts are not his strong point?

 

[taipan]

Greenberg wanted to give them $11mill, clubs wanted $13mill and stuff the grassroots. How did that turn out? I’ll be staggered if clubs accept any cut.

They won't get a cut.They will be expected to spend less on football management. And use the extra money on things such as infrastrtucture.

 

[taipan]

This was richo’s plan. How did that work out?
Clubs “oh no you can’t take our control over jnrs”
nswrl “oh no you can’t take our funding and control”.
Guess what, nothing changed.

Well Richo didnl't last long, so go figure.Plus we had weak people at the top.NSWRL wouldn't lose funding.Head Office would reduce theirs.

 

[LeagueXIII]

You’ve got to love the spin, Er no it’s $32mill less annually than last time!

“A soon-to-be-signed seven-year, $2.3bn TV broadcast deal is the richest in Australia’s sporting history”

Speaking of spin. Recently the media were going on about how Greenberg had all this staff to run the game and compared it to the premier league. I heard on the radio that yes they have more then the premier league but the FA who run soccer have over 700!!! Very selective reporting there, you'd think there was an agenda.

 

[Perth Red]

Speaking of spin. Recently the media were going on about how Greenberg had all this staff to run the game and compared it to the premier league. I heard on the radio that yes they have more then the premier league but the FA who run soccer have over 700!!! Very selective reporting there, you'd think there was an agenda.

said that at the time, reality is nrl has the responsibility of epl and FA together. Between them they have 1200 staff. Makes the nrl’s 400 seem not so extreme doesn’t it? Lol
Be interesting to know how many of that 400 are employees in affiliated states and development officers, I suspect a lot of them.

 

[Perth Red]

They won't get a cut.They will be expected to spend less on football management. And use the extra money on things such as infrastrtucture.

yeh the same expectation as when they won a 130% of cap grant agreement! Unless the nrl mandates and polices it, it will never happen. Winning is everything to clubs and they’ve shown they will happily sacrifice financial viability for the chance of winning.

 

[colly]

Latest

Sources with knowledge of the negotiations say Nine’s revised deal could represent a saving of up to 20 per cent on what it was originally due to pay in the final three years of the deal. Based on that discount, Nine will pay about $85-$90m in 2020, a discount of up to $30m. It will pay in the vicinity of $90-$100m in the final two years.

The deal is a win for Nine and the NRL, as it leaves its options open for more financially viable free-to-air networks to bid for the rights in the future. Both Nine, which had been willing to walk away from the sport, and the NRL were forced to reach a compromise in the hope of avoiding a drawn-out courtroom battle.


https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/ni...illion-broadcast-bonanza-20200512-p54scv.html

In these corona times I could not see 10,ten TV coming up with a offer at all- Not now BUT they can bid in 2022.
So cut our cloth and get on it. Nine could also ask for a 50 % discount for this year, which equals 20% over remaining years.

 

[taipan]

yeh the same expectation as when they won a 130% of cap grant agreement! Unless the nrl mandates and polices it, it will never happen. Winning is everything to clubs and they’ve shown they will happily sacrifice financial viability for the chance of winning.

Look mate, trying to cut through your acidic comments ,is like cutting onions and reading Shakespear at the same time..
If I said look at the rainbow, you'd complain it's not a colour match with the sky.

LOL if the NRL mandates ,clubs spend no more than X dollars on the football dept (separate to the salary cap), that is the official figure, able to be audited.If the club is cheating ,as the Sharks and others have found out, they get heavily fined.

Winning is everything to all pro sport, shock, horror who woulda thought.And yes people will try and make short cuts and cheat, and when they get found out just like your Melbourne storm did, they get a rather painful financial kick up the kyber pass.

Now we know the Perth Pirates wouldn't try to cheat, they are all happy, stick to the rules people and are not really interested in winning.As I choke on my muesli.

 

[Timbo]

Look at what happens when you send in a woman to do the negotiations . She was a shocker!

Today Karl Q, hows negotiations going?

"You take a few blows to the body, you take a few hits to the head, but you keep your best punches for last" PVL

Rugby Australia, Raelene Castle spent $1m on failed broadcast negotiations

Former Rugby Australia CEO Raelene Castle. Picture: Getty

• exclusive
  Jessica Halloran
  Chief Sports Writer
• 11:08AM May 12, 2020
• 172 Comments

Rugby Australia last year paid close to $1m to broadcast rights strategists, who ultimately rejected a $US25m-a-year TV deal and then failed to secure a bid for the beleaguered code.

Former chief executive Raelene Castle hired Shane Mattiske and Michael Tange, who pushed RA to walk away from a five-year deal with Fox Sports last November in the hope of starting a bidding war. It never materialised.

It was revealed last week that Optus was never seriously in the running for the broadcast rights.

Today rugby faces financial collapse as Optus and Fox Sports (owned by News Corp, publisher of The Australian) turn their back on the struggling code, leaving the game with few if any options for broadcasting beyond 2020.

The Australian on Monday revealed a document affirming RA’s dire financial situation, which has the code staring at liabilities well in excess of $20m and facing insolvency. The game has blown $500m over the last four years and currently has no assets, no firm competition start date and no broadcast deal.

The Australian can reveal Mattiske and Tange have been paid by RA for nearly two years and a source confirmed they had collected well over $1m. Tange started working full-time in the RA office from July 2018 and was on the executive committee.

Former NRL interim CEO Shane Mattiske in 2012.
READ MORE:Rugby’s books reveal a blackhole|RA rotting financially and needs to come clean|World Cup the jewel in the crown|NZ gives rugby the go ahead
Castle first engaged Mattiske at Sportel Monaco, the global sports television conference, in October 2018. She was there with SANZAAR to meet with all her current and prospective broadcast partners. She signed Mattiske up at that Monaco conference to be a leader in broadcast rights talks. Both Mattiske and Tange are still engaged by Rugby Australia today.

Back in March, Castle, Mattiske and Tange were saying they wanted to have the broadcast deal sewn up and announced before the AGM. It never eventuated and then COVID-19 hit.

The pandemic has crippled the sports industry and media companies, including Fox Sports, which has already undertaken severe cost-cutting measures.

It is understood Fox Sports’ primary focus is on securing longer deals with the NRL and AFL. It has been reported that the NRL is close to signing a $2.5bn deal with Nine and Fox Sports.

The relationship between Castle and Fox Sports was reported to have soured earlier this year. Back then Fox Sports had indicated it would not be bidding for the rugby rights after relations between its executive team, Castle and RA board members hit a record low.

Super Rugby has failed to attract good crowds in recent years. Picture: AAP
Castle resigned almost a month ago after losing the confidence of the board. On Monday, it was announced an adapted version of Super Rugby would recommence with an Australian-only competition comprising five teams, including the Western Force, being planned.

It is expected to begin in July but may not be enough to rescue the financially stricken code.

Broadcast rights expert Colin Smith — who has advised most of the professional sports in Australia through his company Global Media and Sports — pointed out the Australia-only competition restarting will be required to be signed off by all the major broadcasters.

“It’s really sad but the SANZAAR members including Australia are not in a strong position,” Smith said. “Each broadcaster will have to actually individually sign off on whatever the broadcast arrangement is with SANZAAR and that it meets with their contractual commitments.

“The question is: will this satisfy the broadcast rights issues for the broadcasters of Super Rugby? It’s not just Foxtel, it’s Super Sport, Sky New Zealand and Sky UK. That would be 80-90 per cent of the broadcast rights fees for SANZAAR that are being shared across the SANZAAR members including Australia.”

I don't think her being a woman had anything to do with her being a completely f**king inept sports administrator.

It still beggars belief that Rugby Australia offered her the top job after the shocker she had at the Bulldogs.

 

[Perth Red]

Interesting development with extension with fox but not Ch9 rumoured. Both getting a knock down price on the rest of this contract. I struggle to see why you would give 21&22 seasons at a reduced price but I guess there must be some motivation for nrl in accepting less?

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/ni...illion-broadcast-bonanza-20200512-p54scv.html

 

[Perth Red]

I don't think her being a woman had anything to do with her being a completely f**king inept sports administrator.

It still beggars belief that Rugby Australia offered her the top job after the shocker she had at the Bulldogs.

they give Greenberg it after his stint at the bulldogs lol

 

[Starkers]

Interesting development with extension with fox but not Ch9 rumoured. Both getting a knock down price on the rest of this contract. I struggle to see why you would give 21&22 seasons at a reduced price but I guess there must be some motivation for nrl in accepting less?

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/ni...illion-broadcast-bonanza-20200512-p54scv.html

yeah i suspect Ch9 has gone too hard. any savings in the balance of the deal will be more than made up for in the uplift of the new one. i get the feeling fox are pushing hard for GF and SOO simulcast.

 

[typicalfan]

yeah i suspect Ch9 has gone too hard. any savings in the balance of the deal will be more than made up for in the uplift of the new one. i get the feeling fox are pushing hard for GF and SOO simulcast.

I hope that doesn't happen. Those games deserve to be on FTA I don't want them to gain more control on the game.