2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Wb1234]

Even if both get just average viewers. That is another 200k viewers on Kayo/Fox no doubt both bring in some fans to subscribe.

Given the NRL did it right and aren't paying anything extra than the $13m grant, Looks much better off

Expansion vs vanity projects / dots on a map

 

[Starkers]

They stopped having access to digital content in ‘21. why would they pay the same in the 23&24 contract extrension?
(it’s rhetorical I know the answer lol)

itd be interesting to know why ch7 and fox agreed to pay more in 23 and 24 so the afl could claw back the covid period reductions. And why the nrl couldn’t achieve the same scenario In its deal.

isn't it just that the AFL might have projected growth through that period but now it is being clawed back, and the NRL just didn't do it. would rather the NRL's position tbh.

 

[Iamback]

Expansion vs vanity projects / dots on a map

The problem with vanity projects is when do you close off the tap

 

[colly]

Ho

How did nrl claw back covid losses? It was estimated that fox and nine reduced the tv deal by over $50milliin. There was no increase from fox or nine on the2017 amount so how did they get any of it back from 23, they didn’t. Ironically the only tv partner that didn’t reduce the deal for covid, skynz, was the only tv partner who paid more! Let’s not forget after giving them the covid gift, not asking for it back Vlandys then allegedly signed a deal with fox for $100million LESS!

you havent answered the question re telstra And afl claim. They lost the digital rights to screen games in ‘21. That being the case why would they continue to pay in 23&24 after the co tract had expired and they could have walked away from any payment? I know why, I’m interested to see why you think they’re happy to pay in 23&24 but won’t be contributing from 25 onwards. Haha yeh afl are going to officially announce a fake value of a done deal, grow up.

it’s some wishful thinking on here not based in much fact, it may end up right, it may not. Time will tell. and again ironically the bigger their deal and the more competition for their rights. The better potentially for us in the long run, If we ever get anyone who can negotiate a decent deal.

In six months time the NRL will have over $400 million dollars every year- that's a record yearly amount.
That's a fact!

 

[Perth Red]

In six months time the NRL will have over $400 million dollars every year- that's a record yearly amount.
That's a fact!

You still haven’t explained why you think telstra will no longer be involved in afl in 2025 despite paying same as previously in the contract extension for 23&24 despite having no digital game coverage. do you have an argument for why you think that or is it just wishful projection?

 

[Perth Red]

For them If they get $450mill ish a year total its not A bad outcome, if they get over that it’s a very good outcome, if they get less than that it’ll be considered a poor outcome for them. To get $400mill from two Australian tv partners when we could only get $370mill ish isn't too dusty.

 

[Iamback]

You still haven’t explained why you think telstra will no longer be involved in afl in 2025 despite paying same as previously in the contract extension for 23&24 despite having no digital game coverage. do you have an argument for why you think that or is it just wishful projection?

They said they aren't doing anymore sport sponsorship

 

[Perth Red]

isn't it just that the AFL might have projected growth through that period but now it is being clawed back, and the NRL just didn't do it. would rather the NRL's position tbh.

That may be the case, I suspect it’s more to do with good favour for the 5 year deal,
and I’m sure they’ll be reminding afl of it. I’d be amazed if fox and seven don’t get it given the leg back up they have given them in 23&24 for no real added extra value from their point of view.

 

[Perth Red]

They said they aren't doing anymore sport sponsorship

Where? So they’re not going to be naming rights to nrl? They’re pulling out of the link ups with marvel stadium and sponsorship of afl? They’re not going to run afls digital arm and keep the digital advertising revenue? Where did they say all this? All I’ve seen is they’re aren’t going to stream full games, and that wasn’t their choice.

if you mean this one that was posted a couple of pages ago its from 2015 lol!!

Telstra backs off from big-bucks sports rights

Telstra is poised to pull back from paying big fees for digital sports broadcasting rights, a move that will come as a blow to the NRL and AFL's billion-dollar rights deals.

www.afr.com

 

[Wb1234]

The problem with vanity projects is when do you close off the tap

they could move one to tasmania and the other to Canberra

The problem with vanity projects is when do you close off the tap

Yep they are stuck funding those lemons forever

in the meantime V’landys added a team with one hundred million in assets, is going to spend on extra 2 million pa on grassroots participation and we’ll see a large bump in tv viewers

 

[Wb1234]

They said they aren't doing anymore sport sponsorship

Oh no the without Telstra they are around 360 million pa

hahahahaa

 

[Perth Red]

The problem with vanity projects is when do you close off the tap

When you run out of money I guess, the funding returns big time next year for afl, they’ll have no problem continuing to throw cash at their national strategy.

 

[colly]

You still haven’t explained why you think telstra will no longer be involved in afl in 2025 despite paying same as previously in the contract extension for 23&24 despite having no digital game coverage. do you have an argument for why you think that or is it just wishful projection?

Telstra is contracted to apy thier amount up to contract finish which is dec 2022 this year. From them on they promised to put a lick on paint on Marvel stadium and 5G- but no mention of money. Clear enough or could you supply me with a press reference/release stating otherwise?

 

[Perth Red]

Telstra is contracted to apy thier amount up to contract finish which is dec 2022 this year. From them on they promised to put a lick on paint on Marvel stadium and 5G- but no mention of money. Clear enough or could you supply me with a press reference/release stating otherwise?

You think the $473mill a year is coming just from seven and fox? Lol.
despite being told numerous times that the value of the telstra deal is in telstra managing the afls digital front end and keeping all advertising revenue you continue to ignore it and profess that they are only getting a bit of sponsorship opportunity. Not sure if its memory problems, ignorance or being disingenuous? but that’s why telstra pay The big bucks To afl.

 

[baselinepanther]

The aflol obviously had the begging bowl out with regard to why their broadcast partners re-instated the pre covid contract amounts , but I feel the banging the begging bowl, hang dog eyed aflol have run out of charitable donations & they will pay the price for the financial leg up they were given in 23-24
With no bidding tension & a take it or leave it attitude from broadcasters( just like the nrl) , they'll have to give up a bit , & won't get much for it.
Welcome to modern Australian media sports rights deals aflol

 

[Perth Red]

The aflol obviously had the begging bowl out with regard to why their broadcast partners re-instated the pre covid contract amounts , but I feel the banging the begging bowl, hang dog eyed aflol have run out of charitable donations & they will pay the price for the financial leg up they were given in 23-24
With no bidding tension & a take it or leave it attitude from broadcasters( just like the nrl) , they'll have to give up a bit , & won't get much for it.
Welcome to modern Australian media sports rights deals aflol

I’m saying they’ll get $450mill a year for 5 years. What’s your prediction?

 

[Wb1234]

The aflol obviously had the begging bowl out with regard to why their broadcast partners re-instated the pre covid contract amounts , but I feel the banging the begging bowl, hang dog eyed aflol have run out of charitable donations & they will pay the price for the financial leg up they were given in 23-24
With no bidding tension & a take it or leave it attitude from broadcasters( just like the nrl) , they'll have to give up a bit , & won't get much for it.
Welcome to modern Australian media sports rights deals aflol

Pretty simple grow your ratings or take less money

since ratings in nsw and qld have collapsed it’s just economic reality

 

[baselinepanther]

I’m saying they’ll get $450mill a year for 5 years. What’s your prediction?

ive stated weeks ago the changes they're talking about will work against each other but will get them a bigger deal regardless
437 to 440 mill ish

NRL to top that in 2026

 

[baselinepanther]

Pretty simple grow your ratings or take less money

since ratings in nsw and qld have collapsed it’s just economic reality

it;ll be grow your subscriptions & they will if they remove the guarantee of the wa & sa clubs on FTA, but ch 7 will counter that with no increase in actual $$ in their deal.
meaning it'll just be CPI
20 mill in total

 

[Starkers]

If foxtel want exclusive Super Saturday rights as stated, will that result in a premium to be paid? Or do we think that is a payback for over-paying to AFL?

FTA audience with no Saturday games will be hit hard.