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2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

Chief_Chujo

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You think the $473mill a year is coming just from seven and fox? Lol.
despite being told numerous times that the value of the telstra deal is in telstra managing the afls digital front end and keeping all advertising revenue you continue to ignore it and profess that they are only getting a bit of sponsorship opportunity. Not sure if its memory problems, ignorance or being disingenuous? but that’s why telstra pay The big bucks To afl.
Telstra are going to make 50mil+ a year from advertising rev on AFL digital content? Come on. I guarantee a huge portion of that 50mil is over quoted work on 'digitizing' marvel stadium.
 

Wb1234

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Less afl games on fta means lower overall ratings

so the gap between first and second gets even bigger
 

Perth Red

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then foxtel won't be reaching deeper into their pockets then
the aflol has made a rod for their own back , now they're being belted around the head with it
From fox point of view yes, but it’s still delivered a bigger overall deal for a decade having that set up. It’s not like fox loves the advantages nrl gives it so much that it’s thrown lots more money at us!

I can see the wa and sa exclusive games going, a 19th club introduction giving more content and thursday being every week to bolster their price up a bit.
 
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From fox point of view yes, but it’s still delivered a bigger overall deal for a decade having that set up. It’s not like fox loves the advantages nrl gives it so much that it’s thrown lots more money at us!

I can see the wa and sa exclusive games going, a 19th club introduction giving more content and thursday being every week to bolster their price up a bit.
Well they simulcast 9 aflol games a week to our 8 & still get less $$, so we're paid more on the pure $ measure , but they don't have our STV setup tho & looks like they still won't for 25-29.
Like i said , they will most likely make those changes you've listed ( sa & wa losing exclusive fta will cause a huge backlash , have fun with that ) & 7 will react, & those changes ending up increasing the value of the rights.... but... not by much.
 

Perth Red

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Well they simulcast 9 aflol games a week to our 8 & still get less $$, so we're paid more on the pure $ measure , but they don't have our STV setup tho & looks like they still won't for 25-29.
Like i said , they will most likely make those changes you've listed ( sa & wa losing exclusive fta will cause a huge backlash , have fun with that ) & 7 will react, & those changes ending up increasing the value of the rights.... but... not by much.
It’s been really interesting seeing the govt and club response in WA to that suggestion! Shows how ingrained the sport is in the afl states, the govt has been advocating really strongly for it staying and manyprofile people telling afl not to be greedy at expense of fans! Couldnt see that happening for nrl lol. Geez nsw govt didn’t even want to support the RLWC!
 

Perth Red

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Telstra are going to make 50mil+ a year from advertising rev on AFL digital content? Come on. I guarantee a huge portion of that 50mil is over quoted work on 'digitizing' marvel stadium.
Well they’ve extended with afl for two more years so I guess they’re getting some value out of it. Nothing looks like changing in ‘25 so why would they stop the partnership?
 

Wb1234

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Well they simulcast 9 aflol games a week to our 8 & still get less $$, so we're paid more on the pure $ measure , but they don't have our STV setup tho & looks like they still won't for 25-29.
Like i said , they will most likely make those changes you've listed ( sa & wa losing exclusive fta will cause a huge backlash , have fun with that ) & 7 will react, & those changes ending up increasing the value of the rights.... but... not by much.
Maybe they can throw in the lions, suns, swans and giants im sure fox would love to get their games exclusive since they cover almost 60 percent of Australia
 

colly

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Where? So they’re not going to be naming rights to nrl? They’re pulling out of the link ups with marvel stadium and sponsorship of afl? They’re not going to run afls digital arm and keep the digital advertising revenue? Where did they say all this? All I’ve seen is they’re aren’t going to stream full games, and that wasn’t their choice.

if you mean this one that was posted a couple of pages ago its from 2015 lol!!


"Telstra will stop streaming live AFL and NRL games and offer its customers discounted access to Foxtel’s Kayo Sports in a major pivot of its media strategy.

The telco giant and pay TV company Foxtel announced on Tuesday a new agreement which will see Kayo replace live streaming on Telstra’s AFL and NRL apps. The announcement, flagged in The Sydney Morning Herald last week, means the telco is effectively withdrawing from funding sports rights directly and the ‘Live Pass’ component of some apps will cease."

So this is last year of the AFL $50m year payment ( actual contracted amount ) and it's a worry that Telstra did not get on the corona virus bandwagon regarding their contract with the AFL, anyway regardless of the website financial payments , it's going to go no way towards a $50 annual payment that they recieved in the 2017- 2022 contract , in fact all they revealed was a upgrade to Marvel, I ask you to supply the the payemnts by indivuals entities - and all have to addup to $473 million, fill in this information for the 2023 2024 contract that you claim adds up to $473 p/a.

Foxtel----------? Perth Red to infill...
Seven TV------? Perth Red to infill
Telstra---------? Perth Red to infill
Total----------$473 million p/a for the each years 2023 and 2024.
 

Perth Red

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"Telstra will stop streaming live AFL and NRL games and offer its customers discounted access to Foxtel’s Kayo Sports in a major pivot of its media strategy.

The telco giant and pay TV company Foxtel announced on Tuesday a new agreement which will see Kayo replace live streaming on Telstra’s AFL and NRL apps. The announcement, flagged in The Sydney Morning Herald last week, means the telco is effectively withdrawing from funding sports rights directly and the ‘Live Pass’ component of some apps will cease."

So this is last year of the AFL $50m year payment ( actual contracted amount ) and it's a worry that Telstra did not get on the corona virus bandwagon regarding their contract with the AFL, anyway regardless of the website financial payments , it's going to go no way towards a $50 annual payment that they recieved in the 2017- 2022 contract , in fact all they revealed was a upgrade to Marvel, I ask you to supply the the payemnts by indivuals entities - and all have to addup to $473 million, fill in this information for the 2023 2024 contract that you claim adds up to $473 p/a.

Foxtel----------? Perth Red to infill...
Seven TV------? Perth Red to infill
Telstra---------? Perth Red to infill
Total----------$473 million p/a for the each years 2023 and 2024.
They stopped screening games for the 21 season. Then They signed a 2 year extension. They clearly still see value in the deal they have with afl, even without streaming rights.

look I look at things and ask “is it possible”? Then I ask “is it likely”?

so let’s take your speculation that afl won’t in fact get $473mill in 23 and 24.

is it possible the afl ceo with the backing of the board has come out and publicly lied about the amount of the deal? Yes it is possible that, even though they show the world their tv revenue (something Vlandys has taken away), they have lied

is it likely? No it isn’t, they are public facing company and they are transparent with their financial reporting so would be easily found it if they have lied.

so possible? Yes
likely? No

how the deal is split between their partners we will Likely never know. But we will know in 2024 if they lied lol
 

Iamback

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well we had named sources telling us how valuable a second Brisbane club would be to Ch9 for years, around $20mill a year wasnt it? Guess what, it wasnt lol.

Before things changed maybe it was. All games being on Kayo makes the ch9 games far less valuable.

Ch10 can't afford $600m for starters
The pay TV side of things will go down if teams have to be on FTA for that deal
 

Perth Red

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Before things changed maybe it was. All games being on Kayo makes the ch9 games far less valuable.

Ch10 can't afford $600m for starters
The pay TV side of things will go down if teams have to be on FTA for that deal
In many ways they'd be better accepting somewhere around $450mill and not changing things up too much. What they have now is working very well for them. AFL clubs get massive revenue from memberships and attendance, you wouldn't want to be putting that at too much risk by having sht NRL style KO times and less exposure in key markets. Sometimes a bird in the hand and all that.
Where as NRL needs as much as possible from TV to then drip feed clubs who have poor revenue streams most of the AFL clubs dont need that from their central grant system as they have independent revenue from game day activity. Its a fine balance for the AFL to not rob Peter to pay Paul.
 

Iamback

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In many ways they'd be better accepting somewhere around $450mill and not changing things up too much. What they have now is working very well for them. AFL clubs get massive revenue from memberships and attendance, you wouldn't want to be putting that at too much risk by having sht NRL style KO times and less exposure in key markets. Sometimes a bird in the hand and all that.
Where as NRL needs as much as possible from TV to then drip feed clubs who have poor revenue streams most of the AFL clubs dont need that from their central grant system as they have independent revenue from game day activity. Its a fine balance for the AFL to not rob Peter to pay Paul.

The International players only want it, If they could add to the International content. That won't happen here.

The FTA stations are broke and likely can't afford extra games.

So no chance it gets much more. If any
 

colly

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Before things changed maybe it was. All games being on Kayo makes the ch9 games far less valuable.

Ch10 can't afford $600m for starters
The pay TV side of things will go down if teams have to be on FTA for that deal
Pay TV deal will go down, if ( and they, Seven Tv are demanding it ) they don't get digital rights to show their game on free Seven Plus. As opposed to the NRL , AFL states are small ( NSW by itself is bigger than WA, SA, TAS and NT put together ) thus games are in Sydney are different to games on free TV in Perth. Foxtel will as being upself with treatment in games in WA and SA all being on free to air will be horrifed by persons being to log onto 7 Plus and watching games in SA or WA or Brisbane or Sydney. Foxtel would have to rely on Seven Network making games unavailable in multiply States interstate.. So Seven said this is break deal commitment ( digal games).......And thats not saying anything about Super Saturday NRL style, that Foxtel wants despartly. So if Foxtel get super Saturaday, all digital content as of NOW and a better coverage in WA SA, they will pay big bucks--- But Seven won't. In fact thier are three deal breakers that can't be satisfied
1. WA SA have free to air component that FOXTEL hate.
2 Foxtel want Super Saturday- Seven hates this-
3. Seven want digital content which be onto as many as 5/6games due to different programing in multiply States.
4. If he AFL want to start at fictitious bidding ie $473 per year. How come no mention of Telstra in all this bogus reporting. Zoe has always printed what her handlers say- no questions asks. Industry sources, my a*se.
 

Wb1234

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There’s just no value there for 7 or fox

one of them is going to get shafted by a desperate afl to try and get as much as possible

being honest foxtel can totally afford to lose afl entirely and it wouldn’t affect their position materially

the nrl is what keeps foxtel afloat.

hopefully stan sees the 500k plus average viewers and gives fox some competition

fox can’t keep paying nrl unders to subsidise paying overs for the afl which doesn’t rate
 

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