2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Perth Red]

So no link then?

Where is even a link then to the exact amount?

All it says is over $400m.

Well then so the new team is worth $20m a season like I said. So despite not bringing a 9th game to the table and in a non growth area. The Dolphins brought $20m in a season

Well that depends how you want to interpret it. If Vlandys sold our PTV rights for $20mill a year less than last time, then yes Dolphins admission recouped that loss. Though why Vlandys would sell our rights for LESS than last time would be a very serious question he would need to be asked.

You dont say "over" $400mill if its much more. That gets used when its slightly more but less than sya $5mill plus more. We know what ch9 are paying, we know what SkyNZ are paying we have a good idea what the total amount is. We can work out what Fox is paying from that. Its hardly rocket science!

 

[Iamback]

Well that depends how you want to interpret it. If Vlandys sold our PTV rights for $20mill a year less than last time, then yes Dolphins admission recouped that loss. Though why Vlandys would sell our rights for LESS than last time would be a very serious question he would need to be asked.

You dont say "over" $400mill if its much more. That gets used when its slightly more but less than sya $5mill plus more. We know what ch9 are paying, we know what SkyNZ are paying we have a good idea what the total amount is. We can work out what Fox is paying from that. Its hardly rocket science!

ARL, Sky New Zealand agree to long-term TV deal

State of Origin fixtures and a selection of premium NRL matches be available on free-to-air TV in New Zealand for the first time as a part of a new broadcast rights deal between the ARL Commission and Sky New Zealand.

www.nrl.com

Even as early as mid last year NRL hasn't said the amount. So no one knows actual figures so we aren't to know that the Dolphins money isn't different

 

[westerntiger]

Do the localised free to air rights in the AFL boost the value of the deal? Maybe Nine should try and show all games involving Qld teams shown in Qld, all Newcastle games shown in the Hunter etc. We are a TV code after all, and most people still watch on FTA even now.

When they had the overlapping Friday games on Nine they used to show one game live in NSW and the other in Qld.

 

[Perth Red]

ARL, Sky New Zealand agree to long-term TV deal

State of Origin fixtures and a selection of premium NRL matches be available on free-to-air TV in New Zealand for the first time as a part of a new broadcast rights deal between the ARL Commission and Sky New Zealand.

www.nrl.com

Even as early as mid last year NRL hasn't said the amount. So no one knows actual figures so we aren't to know that the Dolphins money isn't different

When the Sky NZ deal was done the $32.4 mill figure over 5 years was reported. Ch9 have reported figure. NRL has given a strong indication of total amount. Its not rocket science!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Totally agreed. Not so sure about letting Clive Palmer run a club though (although GC is a bit of a sporting graveyard isn’t it?)

Hopefully for football in this country you get some more clubs like Manchester City buying clubs in the league. That will boost investment in the game.

Dolphins should buy Brisbane Roar.

 

[Perth Red]

Dolphins should buy Brisbane Roar.

Arent they owned by Indonesian billionaires? Why would Roar want a poorer owner?

 

[Wb1234]

Not until we get new management. We shouldn’t be doing anything further with him.

Nz2 offer more benefits overall

I really hope vlandys doesn’t pick Perth

 

[Colk]

You give png 30 million pa like the suns and gws get and then see how they go

oh should’ve mentioned brisbane lions too they get 25 million pa from the afl plus also have a leagues club which gives them million every year

the only thing keeping those afl clubs alive is those grants whilst the strong clubs can get as low as 8 million pa

The difference is twofold.

1. Fumbleball have obviously secured bigger TV rights by putting these sides in the competition. That’s the main thing. By virtue of these TV deals they can fund these sides. No Australian TV market would want to spend money on a PNG side. TV networks pay for ratings and advertising potential neither of which are going to be provided by a PNG side.

2. Giants and Suns struggle off the field (that’s inarguable at this point) however they can obtain some revenue by gate receipts, corporate sponsorship etc. PNG would be on another level in terms of difficulty in terms of these things because a large part of the country is poor.

Even if you were to argue that the Giants and Suns earned no money (which is wrong it is clear that it does earn some revenue) than that would just make them the same as a prospective PNG. Having supply with no demand is just the same as having no supply and having plenty of demand. They both equal nothing

 

[Colk]

Nz2 offer more benefits overall

I really hope vlandys doesn’t pick Perth

Why does it?

The difference in the TV money is from Australia broadcasters and not New Zealand. If you wanted to squeeze as much money as possible you need to find a market that earns the most return from Australian broadcasters.

Nevertheless, considering how much V’Landys has stuffed the most recent negotiations why would you want him anywhere near the next ones?

 

[Perth Red]

The difference is twofold.

1. Fumbleball have obviously secured bigger TV rights by putting these sides in the competition. That’s the main thing. By virtue of these TV deals they can fund these sides. No Australian TV market would want to spend money on a PNG side. TV networks pay for ratings and advertising potential neither of which are going to be provided by a PNG side.

2. Giants and Suns struggle off the field (that’s inarguable at this point) however they can obtain some revenue by gate receipts, corporate sponsorship etc. PNG would be on another level in terms of difficulty in terms of these things because a large part of the country is poor.

Even if you were to argue that the Giants and Suns earned no money (which is wrong it is clear that it does earn some revenue) than that would just make them the same as a prospective PNG. Having supply with no demand is just the same as having no supply and having plenty of demand. They both equal nothing

2019 Suns had a revenue of $16mill before the AFL grant and acheived a surplus of $250k. Good luck PNG achieving that lol.
Once we have our metro reach and a media revenue of $643mill we will have more than enough money to fully fund a PNG NRL team if we want one!!

 

[Wb1234]

Why does it?

The difference in the TV money is from Australia broadcasters and not New Zealand. If you wanted to squeeze as much money as possible you need to find a market that earns the most return from Australian broadcasters.

Nevertheless, considering how much V’Landys has stuffed the most recent negotiations why would you want him anywhere near the next ones?

Sky nz which a Perth team will have zero value for

then leaving game nine to still be sold to Aussie tv which I would aim for Monday night football

if you want a big tv deal next time nz2 offer more then Perth

no Australian tv company is paying more for a team in Perth

that’s a long term project which would take ages to pay for for tv rights value

I’m not losing faith in vlandys based on afl bs

 

[Wb1234]

The difference is twofold.

1. Fumbleball have obviously secured bigger TV rights by putting these sides in the competition. That’s the main thing. By virtue of these TV deals they can fund these sides. No Australian TV market would want to spend money on a PNG side. TV networks pay for ratings and advertising potential neither of which are going to be provided by a PNG side.

2. Giants and Suns struggle off the field (that’s inarguable at this point) however they can obtain some revenue by gate receipts, corporate sponsorship etc. PNG would be on another level in terms of difficulty in terms of these things because a large part of the country is poor.

Even if you were to argue that the Giants and Suns earned no money (which is wrong it is clear that it does earn some revenue) than that would just make them the same as a prospective PNG. Having supply with no demand is just the same as having no supply and having plenty of demand. They both equal nothing

If the giants, suns and lions received the average afl distribution they would be dead overnight

funnily enough the swans receive close to an average afl distribution

Funding of AFL clubs revealed in massive $100m gap from rich and poor

AFL team funding broken down as $100m gap exposed

www.foxsports.com.au

Look at the differences

 

[Perth Red]

And people still don't get it. TV and sponsors want 5 metro reach. Proof is in the pudding.

 

[Colk]

Sky nz which a Perth team will have zero value for

then leaving game nine to still be sold to Aussie tv which I would aim for Monday night football

if you want a big tv deal next time nz2 offer more then Perth

no Australian tv company is paying more for a team in Perth

that’s a long term project which would take ages to pay for for tv rights value

I respectfully disagree.

Sky NZ’s deal is what $32.5m? Let’s be generous and say that you double that (so an extra $30m) for an extra side from Sky NZ. Then what?

Australian networks don’t care and haven’t cared about the Warriors since day dot so why would a second side from over there be any different to the first?

 

[Wb1234]

I respectfully disagree.

Sky NZ’s deal is what $32.5m? Let’s be generous and say that you double that (so an extra $30m) for an extra side from Sky NZ. Then what?

Australian networks don’t care and haven’t cared about the Warriors since day dot so why would a second side from over there be any different to the first?

Because nz2 have to play games against Australian sides

that ninth game is worth a lot to Aussie tv

whether it’s nz2 or Perth providing the content won’t matter at all to Aussie tv it will be the same for them

 

[Colk]

If the giants, suns and lions received the average afl distribution they would be dead overnight

funnily enough the swans receive close to an average afl distribution

Funding of AFL clubs revealed in massive $100m gap from rich and poor

AFL team funding broken down as $100m gap exposed

www.foxsports.com.au

Look at the differences

Again though. How much is TV paying for these sides? If their TV returns vis-a-vis (from their deals since they entered the competition) are greater than what they are spending on these sides than they can afford them

 

[Wb1234]

Again though. How much is TV paying for these sides? If their TV returns vis-a-vis (from their deals since they entered the competition) are greater than what they are spending on these sides than they can afford them

It’s not paying that much for those sides

the afl has taken its strength in Melbourne and squandered on zombie clubs

if you look at the figures west coast and Collingwood are paying for the afls expansion with the lions suns and giants

and the problem is those losses are pretty much there for decades

the other problem is their terrible away crowds sees traditional Afl clubs lose millions in gate revenue

and the afl is stuck with them to honour its tv deal

 

[Colk]

Because nz2 have to play games against Australian sides

that ninth game is worth a lot to Aussie tv

whether it’s nz2 or Perth providing the content won’t matter at all to Aussie tv it will be the same for them

Yes but how do the Warriors rate in Australia? Are Australian advertisers going to want to flog their products during a game if it doesn’t rate and/or to a market that is not in Australia

Ideally they should have been the 17th side if we only wanted a $20m increase in our rights from Australian broadcasters.

 

[Perth Red]

Again though. How much is TV paying for these sides? If their TV returns vis-a-vis (from their deals since they entered the competition) are greater than what they are spending on these sides than they can afford them

You'll only make yourself feel dumber talking to him lol.

 

[Perth Red]

Yes but how do the Warriors rate in Australia? Are Australian advertisers going to want to flog their products during a game if it doesn’t rate and/or to a market that is not in Australia

Ideally they should have been the 17th side if we only wanted a $20m increase in our rights from Australian broadcasters.

A second NZ side wont close the gap. It might get a few mill out of SKyNZ but even that isnt guaranteed. Australian TV dont want a second club no-one watches and that is of no interest to their advertisers. Telstra are paying NRL less than $12mill for naming rights, Toyota and NAB are paying AFL $21million. Does NZ2 help close that gap? which is probably representative of how the codes are valued by companies across most of the sponsorship deals.

Perth in for ninth game in the 6pm Sunday slot, Then Adelaide and Brisbane3 with 10th game in the Monday night spot. That's the only way I can see NRL ever closing the gap on AFL now.