2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Colk]

A second NZ side wont close the gap. It might get a few mill out of SKyNZ but even that isnt guaranteed. Australian TV dont want a second club no-one watches and that is of no interest to their advertisers.
Perth in for ninth game in the 6pm Sunday slot, Then Adelaide and Brisbane3 with 10th game in the Monday night spot. That's the only way I can see NRL ever closing the gap on AFL now.

I would prefer a second side in NZ to a third Brisbane side. Ideally you would relocate one or two Sydney sides and you would have both (but we know that won’t happen)

 

[Perth Red]

I would prefer a second side in NZ to a third Brisbane side. Ideally you would relocate one or two Sydney sides and you would have both (but we know that won’t happen)

So would I but it is unlikely to deliver the $'s and unfortunately Vlandys pandering to News Ltd with the Dolphins decision means the Brisbane coverage still isn't there yet for NRL.

 

[Wb1234]

Yes but how do the Warriors rate in Australia? Are Australian advertisers going to want to flog their products during a game if it doesn’t rate and/or to a market that is not in Australia

Ideally they should have been the 17th side if we only wanted a $20m increase in our rights from Australian broadcasters.

A Perth nrl team won’t be shown on fta live and will probably get 50k viewers in wa

they are relying upon east coast viewers to get their spot

which mz2 will too except they will also get sky nz

if you think any Australian tv network is going to pay extra for a perth nrl team then you are in for a shock

and let’s be real no broadcaster is paying anything because of the giants and suns

they could’ve added two more teams in Melbourne and they would have gotten higher ratings

 

[Perth Red]

Difference between the codes:
1. Content amount. They have more games and games have more ad breaks that benefits FTA
2. Australian Metro city reach 16/18 teams in 5 main capital cities v 13/17 for NRL in just three of them
3. Ability and skill of the board and CEO

The only thing that isnt fixable without changing the nature of the game is the ad breaks. Everything is else is possible to change. If we have the leadership to do it is the hard question we have to ask, and if we dont what will we do about it?

 

[Colk]

A Perth nrl team won’t be shown on fta live and will probably get 50k viewers in wa

they are relying upon east coast viewers to get their spot

which mz2 will too except they will also get sky nz

if you think any Australian tv network is going to pay extra for a perth nrl team then you are in for a shock

and let’s be real no broadcaster is paying anything because of the giants and suns

they could’ve added two more teams in Melbourne and they would have gotten higher ratings

I am pretty certain that they did. What was the increase in the deals pre and post their entry.

Also, yes they would have got an increase in any case but there is a reason why they chose Western Sydney as opposed to Tasmania or the NT. The reason being is that advertisers want to advertise to a potential audience of 5 million as opposed to a potential audience of 500k or 200k.

This reason above is why Perth is a better option. It’s just a much more desirable location for Australian advertisers than Wellington or Christchurch for example

 

[mongoose]

Thats the point, it doesn't really have to be. Just like Storm don't have to be drawing 30k and have 100k watching on tv. Creating the right environment for sponsors and tv perception is the game afoot.

Tassie will happen and will be largely funded by the Tassie Govt imo. They're about to earn at least $200million a year more cash than they had. Not to mention paying off Marvel and all the revenue that flows from that to them now. Seriously you think they are going to be doing it tough?
Gil will walk out perceived as the greatest CEO their game has seen, delivering a mountain of cash for the game for nearly a decade to come and delivering Tassie which has been one of those 'we should but lets not' for AFL for years.

i guess AFL and its sycophants in the media only cares about money then.

Lets not forget Gil made a mess of ASADA. David Smith at the time handled it far smoother making the NRL and Sharks come off looking much better than Essenbong and the meddling AFL. I don't think he's handled the racist incidents all that well. Adam Goodes has disowned the code and I believe has taken up a role with Soccer, which is quite an embarrassment for the AFL. Systematic racism at Collingwood which never was properly addressed. Gil also oversaw AFLX - LOL no comment required there. But since it's AFL all this will be swept under the rug and forgotten by the brainwashed morons down south.

 

[Colk]

i guess AFL and its sycophants in the media only cares about money then.

Lets not forget Gil made a mess of ASADA. David Smith at the time handled it far smoother making the NRL and Sharks come off looking much better than Essenbong and the meddling AFL. I don't think he's handled the racist incidents all that well. Adam Goodes has disowned the code and I believe has taken up a role with Soccer, which is quite an embarrassment for the AFL. Systematic racism at Collingwood which never was properly addressed. Gil also oversaw AFLX - LOL no comment required there. But since it's AFL all this will be swept under the rug and forgotten by the brainwashed morons down south.

Definitely agree with all that. He has made some serious mishaps. Nevertheless, if you were to give him me the option of their current commission versus our current commission then I would trade in a heartbeat.

 

[Perth Red]

Definitely agree with all that. He has made some serious mishaps. Nevertheless, if you were to give him me the option of their current commission versus our current commission then I would trade in a heartbeat.

If someone offered me those errors or $250mil a year extra in cash for the game, I know which I'd be taking!

 

[Iamback]

i guess AFL and its sycophants in the media only cares about money then.

Lets not forget Gil made a mess of ASADA. David Smith at the time handled it far smoother making the NRL and Sharks come off looking much better than Essenbong and the meddling AFL. I don't think he's handled the racist incidents all that well. Adam Goodes has disowned the code and I believe has taken up a role with Soccer, which is quite an embarrassment for the AFL. Systematic racism at Collingwood which never was properly addressed. Gil also oversaw AFLX - LOL no comment required there. But since it's AFL all this will be swept under the rug and forgotten by the brainwashed morons down south.

Yep pretty much this, Of course the f**ken sooks on here only see money

 

[Colk]

Yep pretty much this, Of the f**ken sooks on here only see money

Our glorious leader has made his fair share of f*** ups since he began. So no it is not all about money.

If you want to defend him fair enough.

 

[westerntiger]

NZ2 is the way to go for team 18. The only question is whether it’s Wellington or Christchurch. Perth is still a novelty market and needs to get 1-2 club game a year (no more Origin). Lay the groundwork for juniors and player development and it can be team 19 or 20. We do not want another Storm in the competition.

 

[Billythekid]

NZ2 is the way to go for team 18. The only question is whether it’s Wellington or Christchurch. Perth is still a novelty market and needs to get 1-2 club game a year (no more Origin). Lay the groundwork for juniors and player development and it can be team 19 or 20. We do not want another Storm in the competition.

Lol this is delusional. The storm are one of the highest rating teams in the comp and have opened the NRL up to one of the largest markets in Australia. They likely add more value to the comp than almost all other teams. This sort of thinking is exactly why we’re so far behind the AFL.

 

[Iamback]

Lol this is delusional. The storm are one of the highest rating teams in the comp and have opened the NRL up to one of the largest markets in Australia. They likely add more value to the comp than almost all other teams. This sort of thinking is exactly why we’re so far behind the AFL.

How many locals play for Storm?

They are basically a QLD team

 

[Iamback]

Our glorious leader has made his fair share of f*** ups since he began. So no it is not all about money.

If you want to defend him fair enough.

Of course. I was very critical of the GF farce but that isn't the issue here

Posters like yourself, Can't find confirmation of the NRL TV deal. Yet say it is under paid

How about actually criticising things you know are facts

 

[Colk]

Of course. I was very critical of the GF farce but that isn't the issue here

Posters like yourself, Can't find confirmation of the NRL TV deal. Yet say it is under paid

How about actually criticising things you know are facts

Laws of probability.

If the total amount is a $240m difference, then it is most likely that the cash is also very considerable.

Anyway, I think the commission needs a shakeup and bring in people outside of the game with international experience. We have been led by News Limited and club self interest for too long.

There is potential and some things are tracking well but we need some people who will lead the game to our full potential.

 

[Wb1234]

I am pretty certain that they did. What was the increase in the deals pre and post their entry.

Also, yes they would have got an increase in any case but there is a reason why they chose Western Sydney as opposed to Tasmania or the NT. The reason being is that advertisers want to advertise to a potential audience of 5 million as opposed to a potential audience of 500k or 200k.

This reason above is why Perth is a better option. It’s just a much more desirable location for Australian advertisers than Wellington or Christchurch for example

Well if they wanted a team in western Sydney they should’ve left it at Blacktown

great idea bad execution

and yep they need to get into the growth areas like western Sydney

sadly they have failed badly

 

[Wb1234]

Laws of probability.

If the total amount is a $240m difference, then it is most likely that the cash is also very considerable.

Anyway, I think the commission needs a shakeup and bring in people outside of the game with international experience. We have been led by News Limited and club self interest for too long.

There is potential and some things are tracking well but we need some people who will lead the game to our full potential.

We had someone on the commission that had that background and she got poached

the problem isn’t so much the commission that our broadcasters have no loyalty to the code unlike fumble ball

twice foxtel have paid us unders to pay extra to the afl

maybe Murdoch really still holds a grudge over super league

 

[Colk]

Well if they wanted a team in western Sydney they should’ve left it at Blacktown

great idea bad execution

and yep they need to get into the growth areas like western Sydney

sadly they have failed badly

You are arguing two different things really.

Ultimately with teams they need to bring something (either of the following)

1. They need to bring in TV and money from corporates
2. Financial sustainability and/or bringing in juniors (in our case)

The Giants and Suns are probably not the latter but they have definitely provided the former. We could argue that they shouldn’t have been given such money for those two sides (and I would agree with that) but that is a problem for the TV broadcasters.

So essentially we need to work out what we want. Do we want to maximise our earning revenue or do we want to expand to areas where there is no risk or requires no investment (that is essentially meaning areas where we already have sides)

There are also other factors. Who is doing the negotiations is probably the most important as well when the negotiations are done.

 

[Colk]

We had someone on the commission that had that background and she got poached

the problem isn’t so much the commission that our broadcasters have no loyalty to the code unlike fumble ball

twice foxtel have paid us unders to pay extra to the afl

maybe Murdoch really still holds a grudge over super league

I wholeheartedly agree. If that is the case though you shouldn’t extend a contract with them without going to tender, particularly for five years.

 

[Wb1234]

I wholeheartedly agree. If that is the case though you shouldn’t extend a contract with them without going to tender, particularly for five years.

Vlandys has made mistakes

he’s admitted that was one of them (indirectly)

but the guy gets things done

he managed to add the dolphins during the covid crisis and when a majority of clubs were against expansion (remember the 10 million they paid to get their own report)

go back through every other nrl boss and who actually did expand ?

I love foxtels coverage of the nrl but if it means watching all games on nine to get better value so be it

and on the previous post above of the above the afl could’ve added tasmania and Perth 3 and they probably would have the same result

The ratings they get in nsw and qld are not the reason for their large tv deals. The ratings in nsw and qld are awful