2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Perth Red]

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its a tough sell. They have had live AFL on Sydney TV since the early 70s and it still isnt a big attraction in western sydney. They will not have the luxury of a SL with thousands of disgruntled supporters to spur them on as the Swans did. Before SL the swans were on their knees. What did the GF apearance do for the giants.
Alsi alot of the AFL money wil go into supporting the Tasmanian bid, possibly a 20th team, the womens game and players wages both women and men.
It wont be easy for them.

Thats the point, it doesn't really have to be. Just like Storm don't have to be drawing 30k and have 100k watching on tv. Creating the right environment for sponsors and tv perception is the game afoot.

Tassie will happen and will be largely funded by the Tassie Govt imo. They're about to earn at least $200million a year more cash than they had. Not to mention paying off Marvel and all the revenue that flows from that to them now. Seriously you think they are going to be doing it tough?
Gil will walk out perceived as the greatest CEO their game has seen, delivering a mountain of cash for the game for nearly a decade to come and delivering Tassie which has been one of those 'we should but lets not' for AFL for years.

 

[Iamback]

Thats the point, it doesn't really have to be. Just like Storm don't have to be drawing 30k and have 100k watching on tv. Creating the right environment for sponsors and tv perception is the game afoot.

Tassie will happen and will be largely funded by the Tassie Govt imo. They're about to earn at least $200million a year more cash than they had. Not to mention paying off Marvel and all the revenue that flows from that to them now. Seriously you think they are going to be doing it tough?
Gil will walk out perceived as the greatest CEO their game has seen, delivering a mountain of cash for the game for nearly a decade to come and delivering Tassie which has been one of those 'we should but lets not' for AFL for years.

AFLW is free entry
30 players in a squad. Average $100k a player that is $54m a year on them

Tassie will need the same Leg up that GWS and GC did

Then you have the extra development costs for the extra players..

 

[Wb1234]

GWS
Suns
MacArthur
The new Melbourne A League team

The last few expansion teams in major comps have been a terrible, The only ones that haven't are the NBL ones

Which is why you don't just expand to put dots on a map

Compare that to the dolphins being added to the nrl

and people question the leadership of the nrl

even a png nrl team would have better finances than the suns or gws

 

[Perth Red]

AFLW is free entry
30 players in a squad. Average $100k a player that is $54m a year on them

Tassie will need the same Leg up that GWS and GC did

Then you have the extra development costs for the extra players..

So out of the $200mil plus extra revenue they're getting thats $54mill minus the revenue they generate from sponsorship etc. (NAB is paying $2-3mill a year naming rights for example). Plus say $20mill for Tassie (Govt has said they'll chip in $10mil a year). So that's $71mill out of 200 gone. That only leaves them $130mill a year EXTRA to play with lol. Lets say they boost the clubs grants by $3mill year, that's another $54mil gone. Now they are down to ONLY $76million a year they can do whatever they like with. Tough times ahead for them lol.

 

[Iamback]

So out of the $200mil plus revenue they're getting thats $54mill minus the revenue they generate from sponsorship etc. (NAB is paying $2-3mill a year naming rights for example). Plus say $20mill for Tassie (Govt has said they'll chip in $10mil a year). So that's $71mill out of 200 gone. That only leaves them $130mill a year EXTRA to play with lol. Lets say they boost the clubs grants by $3mill year, that's another $54mil gone. Now they are down to ONLY $76million a year they can do whatever they like with. Tough times ahead for them lol.

Well no the $54m was just the players, There are referees, Player development, Ground hire,

GWS and GC both got $100m for start up, Tasmania will need similar

As for the rest, so there is no Contra?

So no extra money to attack NRL in heartlands?

Happy days

 

[Iamback]

Compare that to the dolphins being added to the nrl

and people question the leadership of the nrl

even a png nrl team would have better finances than the suns or gws

Exactly, New teams should be able to stand on their own feet

 

[Perth Red]

Well no the $54m was just the players, There are referees, Player development, Ground hire,

GWS and GC both got $100m for start up, Tasmania will need similar

As for the rest, so there is no Contra?

So no extra money to attack NRL in heartlands?

Happy days

not sure what you mean by no contra? They are getting $227mill extra revenue, of which a chunk will be contra. They will also have paid off Marvel and be getting significant revenue form that investment. They have also still got naming rights and radio rights to renegotiate yet which it is fair to assume will increase. $200mill extra cash revenue a year is a pretty conservative guess.

Why would tassie need that much start up? Govt is chipping in, grassroots is in place, its AFL heartland and will generate fan revenue. It wont need anything like the start ups of those two.

AFLW is already fully operational so those arent extra costs on what its costing now.

Like I said a conservative guess is even after bigger investments in womens, clubs and new markets they still have $75mil plus cash a year to do with what they like.

 

[Colk]

Compare that to the dolphins being added to the nrl

and people question the leadership of the nrl

even a png nrl team would have better finances than the suns or gws

I’m sorry I can’t let that go through to the keeper.

How do you think PNG would have better finances than any side in Australia of any code? The average wage over there is what $50 a week.

 

[Perth Red]

Exactly, New teams should be able to stand on their own feet

I dont know any business that thinks it can start in new markets without investment and start up costs. Just doesn't happen.
Dolphins can only do it, yet to be tested by the way, as its not a new market and has a pokie den. If you want to restrict your growth to existing markets that have a pokie den to fund it then yeh sure. Not exactly going to close the gap though.

 

[Perth Red]

I’m sorry I can’t let that go through to the keeper.

How do you think PNG would have better finances than any side in Australia of any code? The average wage over there is what $50 a week.

You should he's an idiot, dont waste your time.

 

[Colk]

Exactly, New teams should be able to stand on their own feet

They should earn us (the game) more TV revenue as well. That was the purpose of putting them in

 

[Wb1234]

I’m sorry I can’t let that go through to the keeper.

How do you think PNG would have better finances than any side in Australia of any code? The average wage over there is what $50 a week.

You give png 30 million pa like the suns and gws get and then see how they go

oh should’ve mentioned brisbane lions too they get 25 million pa from the afl plus also have a leagues club which gives them million every year

the only thing keeping those afl clubs alive is those grants whilst the strong clubs can get as low as 8 million pa

 

[Perth Red]

They should earn us (the game) more TV revenue as well. That was the purpose of putting them in

Come back to the question about how the sports are perceived. Why does top end of town value AFL more? Why does TV value AFL a hell of a lot more? Pretty simple questions that people really need to think about when they talk about what the game needs to do next.

1. Content amount. They have more games and games have more ad breaks that benefits FTA
2. Metro city reach 16/18 teams in 5 main capital cities v 13/17 for NRL in just three of them
3. Ability and skill of the board and CEO

 

[Wb1234]

They should earn us (the game) more TV revenue as well. That was the purpose of putting them in

So no Perth team then

 

[Iamback]

They should earn us (the game) more TV revenue as well. That was the purpose of putting them in

which they do though

We only know the FTA amount ( for Both actually)

And that Fox is paying $20m for the Dolphins. How much do you think a 9th game will be worth?Given the fact that content seems to be the major difference between the 2

Dolphins will also be paying their way in terms of junior development, That is $2m less than the NRL need to pay

Making $22m better off before a ball was kicked
When Membership sales start they can be tracked and is extra income into the sport
As will any sponsorship announced

 

[Colk]

So no Perth team then

Not until we get new management. We shouldn’t be doing anything further with him.

 

[Perth Red]

which they do though

We only know the FTA amount ( for Both actually)

And that Fox is paying $20m for the Dolphins. How much do you think a 9th game will be worth?Given the fact that content seems to be the major difference between the 2

Dolphins will also be paying their way in terms of junior development, That is $2m less than the NRL need to pay

Making $22m better off before a ball was kicked
When Membership sales start they can be tracked and is extra income into the sport
As will any sponsorship announced

The only way Fox is paying $20mill for the Dolphins is if Vlandys accepted an original offer from them for $20mill less than they paid in 2018!

Deal in 2018
FTA $125mill ($115mill cash)
SkyNZ $20mill
Fox $240mill
Total $385mill

Deal 2023
FTA $130mill ($115mil cash)
SkyNZ $32.4mill
Fox $240mill
Total $402mill

Tell us again how much Vlandys charged Australian Tv partners paid for expansion!!

 

[Iamback]

The only way Fox is paying $20mill for the Dolphins is if Vlandys accepted an original offer from them for $20mill less than they paid in 2018!

Deal in 2018
FTA $125mill ($115mill cash)
SkyNZ $20mill
Fox $240mill
Total $385mill

Deal 2023
FTA $130mill ($115mil cash)
SkyNZ $32.4mill
Fox $240mill
Total $402mill

Tell us again how much Australian Tv partners paid for expansion!!

Links? No where does it say that the $20m is part of the TV deal. Just that they are paying it

Nor does it say anywhere what Fox are certainly paying

 

[Perth Red]

Links? No where does it say that the $20m is part of the TV deal. Just that they are paying it

Nor does it say anywhere what Fox are certainly paying

do the maths. We know what Nine are paying, we know what SkyNZ are paying, we know what the total amount is. What does that leave?

Yeh of course the NRL isn't going to mention an extra $100mill on the TV deal when they announced it lol.

 

[Iamback]

do the maths. We know what Nine are paying, we know what SkyNZ are paying, we know what the total amount is. What does that leave?

Yeh of course the NRL isn't going to mention an extra $100mill on the TV deal when they announced it lol.

So no link then?

Where is even a link then to the exact amount?

All it says is over $400m.

Well then so the new team is worth $20m a season like I said. So despite not bringing a 9th game to the table and in a non growth area. The Dolphins brought $20m in a season