2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Wb1234]

Also do you understand the mechanics of it? As based on your own logic you shouldn’t be able to comment on it either

I do yeh

they’ve included payments for marvel stadium which shouldn’t be included and payments for running afl websites which the nrl receives the revenue itself

so it would be massively stupid to compare the afl headline figure without making adjustments

even more stupid to use the headline figure as an excuse to say vlandys is doing a bad job

 

[ayatollah_murdoch]

We've flogged this horse well and truly to death. I am firmly on Wookies and PRs side, but it's all out of our control now. I'd say give Vlandys one last shot to fix it, but that won't be for a number of years.

We survived the SL war, we can survive this. Of course we are going to be significantly behind the 8 ball but not point crying over spilt milk now.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

This thread is much easier to read now that I've put the deluded duo on ignore. I don't know if they're shit posting or just plain dumb, but there's only so many times I can read their bullshit, despite them being corrected more times than there were sin bins in the Roosters vs Rabbitohs Elimination Final.

 

[Perth Red]

True figures are coming out now

lmao well spotted

wookie didn’t even read it

I’ve always said fox and seven are paying 3.5 billion

that’s the real tv deal value

500 mill pa including contra

Cuckoo, cuckoo

 

[Iamback]

You wanted him sacked based on the afl announcing a tv deal, which you don’t even understand the mechanics of, but feel confident enough the nrl did a bad deal bc that’s what the internet told you is a fact

there’s so much positive rugby league financial news which you have to ignore fully which you and others have

Nailed it, I have no issue with people thinking that when the time comes if facts say so

 

[Iamback]

mate you dont even understand the mechanics of the AFL deal and float with whatever media article agrees with you on the day,

The NRL did an extended deal at a time when it simply wasnt required. And according to Vlandys it was to make sure that the broadcasters stayed financially viable for the sake of the future.

The fact Fox paid up for The Dolphins AFTER doing the TV deal, Shows he wasn't just blowing hot air saying there is room to grow

The AFL $473m includes $50m from Telstra, Any contra with that?

 

[Canard]

It's great that clubs are supposedly not losing money.

But surely the aim should be to maximise any possible revenue stream? It's not the NRL role to take less because "Foxtel would have went broke" if we tried to get our real worth.

And don't start me on "we will expand the player pool via NFL rejects"

 

[Perth Red]

Makes me laugh, some on here “vlandys is great because they are predicting a $50mill surplus”, whilst ignoring that he has cost the game over $100mill a year in tv revenue. Couldn’t make it up!

 

[Colk]

I do yeh

they’ve included payments for marvel stadium which shouldn’t be included and payments for running afl websites which the nrl receives the revenue itself

so it would be massively stupid to compare the afl headline figure without making adjustments

even more stupid to use the headline figure as an excuse to say vlandys is doing a bad job

I’ve been fully aware of this - you aren’t really suggesting that is the totality of the difference or even close to it are you? Are you suggesting that their deal has got something like $150m worth of contra or more? There has been multiple reports now that their cash element is at least $550m and perhaps even slightly more.

Also as a logical counterpoint, if you are going to use this argument that because we don’t know every finite detail about their deal, it is thus all made up then you have to do the same for our deal.

Do we know exactly what the cash and contra element is in our deal or are we also spectulating? Are we allowed to include our radio rights in our deal or do we have to take it out because they didn’t include their radio rights in theirs?

See how going through all of this, slightly pedantic as it is, doesn’t just upend all logic and the fact that we have massively undersold our deal compared to them?

 

[Perth Red]

They Officially announced cash as $4billion or $571mill a year. Funny thing is on one hand some are saying telstra is mostly contra and marvel, but then want to claim Having telstra in that $571mill cash is important. Which is it?

based on previous years I’d say telstra is worth about $30mill cash of that $571mill. nines radio rights probably worth around $4mill cash so we can take that out of ours leaving a real like for like cash comparison of close to $365mill v $541mill. A difference of $176mill a year cash. Lots of assumptions in this but as a best guess it won’t be far off based on what we do know for sure.

something no one has asked pistol Pete yet is how could he justify signing an original deal with fox for $20million LESS than in 2017?

 

[Wb1234]

I’ve been fully aware of this - you aren’t really suggesting that is the totality of the difference or even close to it are you? Are you suggesting that their deal has got something like $150m worth of contra or more? There has been multiple reports now that their cash element is at least $550m and perhaps even slightly more.

Also as a logical counterpoint, if you are going to use this argument that because we don’t know every finite detail about their deal, it is thus all made up then you have to do the same for our deal.

Do we know exactly what the cash and contra element is in our deal or are we also spectulating? Are we allowed to include our radio rights in our deal or do we have to take it out because they didn’t include their radio rights in theirs?

See how going through all of this, slightly pedantic as it is, doesn’t just upend all logic and the fact that we have massively undersold our deal compared to them?

Yeh pretty much that’s what I’m suggesting

tv deal 470 million cash

Telstra who knows how much cash buts it’s not part of the tv deal anyway they should recognise it as other revenue

if Telstra is 150 million pa how much do you think is actually cash ?

these are very simple questions and when you ask the afl fanboys on here they can’t answer them

 

[Wb1234]

It's great that clubs are supposedly not losing money.

But surely the aim should be to maximise any possible revenue stream? It's not the NRL role to take less because "Foxtel would have went broke" if we tried to get our real worth.

And don't start me on "we will expand the player pool via NFL rejects"

What I’m getting at is the nrl right now has never been this strong

and obviously we have a much lower cost base than afl

it’s not just every club is making a profit it’s also the salary cap is about to go up to around 11.5 million and the arlc is making record profits

across various financial indicators the nrl is kicking goals, afl is kicking behinds lol

 

[Iamback]

It's great that clubs are supposedly not losing money.

But surely the aim should be to maximise any possible revenue stream? It's not the NRL role to take less because "Foxtel would have went broke" if we tried to get our real worth.

And don't start me on "we will expand the player pool via NFL rejects"

Having 5 years locked in with no movement at all limits that revenue stream though

 

[Iamback]

I’ve been fully aware of this - you aren’t really suggesting that is the totality of the difference or even close to it are you? Are you suggesting that their deal has got something like $150m worth of contra or more? There has been multiple reports now that their cash element is at least $550m and perhaps even slightly more.

Also as a logical counterpoint, if you are going to use this argument that because we don’t know every finite detail about their deal, it is thus all made up then you have to do the same for our deal.

Do we know exactly what the cash and contra element is in our deal or are we also spectulating? Are we allowed to include our radio rights in our deal or do we have to take it out because they didn’t include their radio rights in theirs?

See how going through all of this, slightly pedantic as it is, doesn’t just upend all logic and the fact that we have massively undersold our deal compared to them?

Foxtel and ch7 Contra is fine.
Telstra and Marvel upgrades is income but shouldn't be included in TV Rights.

Telstra is $50m and whatever the upgrades are

The last paragraph makes no sense without knowing those answers

 

[Colk]

Yeh pretty much that’s what I’m suggesting

tv deal 470 million cash

Telstra who knows how much cash buts it’s not part of the tv deal anyway they should recognise it as other revenue

if Telstra is 150 million pa how much do you think is actually cash ?

these are very simple questions and when you ask the afl fanboys on here they can’t answer them

I probably shouldn’t take the bait but where has this been reported?

 

[Wb1234]

I probably shouldn’t take the bait but where has this been reported?

Yeh it’s bait

stop asking questions where the answer doesn’t suit you lol

go ask the fumblers what they think it is and then post again how vlandys should be replaced

 

[Canard]

What I’m getting at is the nrl right now has never been this strong

and obviously we have a much lower cost base than afl

it’s not just every club is making a profit it’s also the salary cap is about to go up to around 11.5 million and the arlc is making record profits

across various financial indicators the nrl is kicking goals, afl is kicking behinds lol

That's great, but surely the game should strive to be No1 or at least maximise our revenue streams, to make the game even more healthy.

Having 5 years locked in with no movement at all limits that revenue stream though

Agreed, that's why our deal to 2027 being unders is limiting our games growth and revenue

 

[Colk]

Foxtel and ch7 Contra is fine.
Telstra and Marvel upgrades is income but shouldn't be included in TV Rights.

Telstra is $50m and whatever the upgrades are

The last paragraph makes no sense without knowing those answers

I think I have written this a few times now - you are never ever going to know every finite detail of these respective deals. Doesn’t mean that you can’t make a judgement on them by basing such judgements on what is most plausible.

That is what underpins everything anyway: science (in particular) history, technology, medicine. You name it. People make judgements on the knowledge, data or evidence, information if you will, that they have at hand.

For example look at something like quantum mechanics: they know the what and where of energy and subatomic particles but they can’t 100% conclude the how or the why. There is no universal theory in this field. That doesn’t mean though that because nobody has matched this with Einstein’s theory of relativity or that they don’t know 100% the how or the why that the where and what are not real.

It’s the same here: For example take the $50m (or thereabouts) off their deal if you want: it’s still $593m which is still a lot more than what we achieved. If you want to make it just about TV, make it TV if you want but that means we can’t include our radio deal which is part of ours as well.

Either way you want to spin it, they have based on the evidence provided thus far, achieved a lot greater deal than what we have. Unless, some spectacular new piece of evidence comes to hand - they achieved a deal much less than what they announced (not likely), their deal has something $150-$200 million worth of contra in it (not likely), the Telstra part is worth something like $150m (not likely but even if that did occur that just means we are getting ripped off by Telstra rather than by TV) or that our TV deal is worth a lot more than what we announced (say $500 odd million rather than just over $400m which is not likely) - then all of this is pedantry.

 

[Wb1234]

That's great, but surely the game should strive to be No1 or at least maximise our revenue streams, to make the game even more healthy.





Agreed, that's why our deal to 2027 being unders is limiting our games growth and revenue

Of course the game should strive to be number one

on many criteria it already is

but Rome wasn’t built in a day

the arlc have taken over a game that has been dominated by afl for 30 years

now there’s real competition and I would say nrl is winning

 

[Steel Saints]

The thing that irks me is that I've read countless posts across many pages about AFL's deal with Telstra. How much is Telstra paying? What is the contra amount with Telstra? Telstra upgrading Marvel with WIFI's etc etc. So in their $4.5 billion deal, the AFL is still getting something from a telco (Telstra).

Meanwhile the NRL is getting nothing from a telco (Telstra) in their media deal. Although the NRL still has Telstra as a naming rights sponsor. It has been the case for the last 21 years, and will continue to do so for the next five.

Why will there be a gap between the NRL and AFL deals from 2025-2027? The AFL is still getting something from a Telco and allowed competitive tension between the networks/ providers.

You could look at the NRL deal closely and it does seem incomplete or somethings missing. Or PVL and Abdo have missed a trick somewhere down the line.