2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[The_Wookie]

https://www.nrl.com/siteassets/about/annual-reports/2021-nrl-annual-report.pdf

hmm lets see

$575m revenue of that

Payment to suppliers and employees $293m
Payment to clubs $243m
Take away the Lease payments

Gives you the profit that was announced,

So yes unless the clubs or players could be paid in ch9 commericals then contra isn't included in the revenue

its in the income statement as an expense, which means its counted in the overall revenue in the first place



the AFL recognises theirs in revenue

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

its in the income statement as an expense, which means its counted in the overall revenue in the first place

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the AFL recognises theirs in revenue

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So $25.5m for NRL in 2021.

Wasn't $10m of it covered by Ch9?

The other $15.5m must have been provided by Foxtel and SkyNZ.

 

[Colk]

4 out of 7 AFL years there is no NRL deal for, How is it crap?

Because it is the gold standard in deflection. There is still considerable overlap between the two deals and there is no argument one could put forth to suggest that somehow he was prevented from doing exactly what fumbleball did (renew for a short term and then market the deals after the pandemic had essentially passed). It is essentially spin that would even crease the face of a politician.

He wants to argue that he does better than fumbleball but that is clearly not doing better then them. Surely even somebody with the most pro-V’Landys bent can’t sit there and be genuine and say that we have done better than fumbleball with this decision.

 

[Perth Red]

Can anyone confirm when the current NRL TV deal expires?

end of 2027, not that pistol Pete knows it seems lol

 

[Perth Red]

There

Because it is the gold standard in deflection. There is still considerable overlap between the two deals and there is no argument one could put forth to suggest that somehow he was prevented from doing exactly what fumbleball did (renew for a short term and then market the deals after the pandemic had essentially passed). It is essentially spin that would even crease the face of a politician.

He wants to argue that he does better than fumbleball but that is clearly not doing better then them. Surely even somebody with the most pro-V’Landys bent can’t sit there and be genuine and say that we have done better than fumbleball with this decision.

therell be $750mill cash difference during the duration of the nrl deal. Vlandys is talking bollox and someone needs to call him out publicly on it!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

There

therell be $750mill cash difference during the duration of the nrl deal. Vlandys is talking bollox and someone needs to call him out publicly on it!

Our broadcast partners will protect him.

 

[Wb1234]

I know it shits me, Every video/Article on Panthers website I watch has an ad super loud beforehand.

I presume every club is the same, Team list days for example it is hundreds of thousands across the League.

Exactly the difference is the revenue goes directly to the panthers club

where’s as with fumble ball it gets paid to the afl to distribute as they wish and counted as part of their tv deal to make it look more impressive

 

[Perth Red]

Exactly the difference is the revenue goes directly to the panthers club

where’s as with fumble ball it gets paid to the afl to distribute as they wish and counted as part of their tv deal to make it look more impressive

This bloke has no idea, for the record digital advertising revenue on nrl and club sites goes to the nrl and is recognised in its digital revenue area (around $26mill ayear when we could see it and before pistol Pete sacked the digital media team) . In afl the digital revenue for ads goes to telstra, hence why telstra are still paying them so much. We need to factor int9 this that the nrl has to spend to realise that $26mill income where as afl doesn’t spend anything in getting the telstra cash for its digital revenue.

Grant, who knows a thing or two in this space, was convinced bringing it in house and investing $100mill in its delivery would eventually reap much greater revenue than sticking with telstra. Unfortunately pistol Pete then came along and knee capped its earning potential as favour to his media mates.

 

[Perth Red]

its in the income statement as an expense, which means its counted in the overall revenue in the first place

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the AFL recognises theirs in revenue

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I honestly can’t believe he is still arguing this lol.
The nrl $402 mill announcement included contra (my guess around $30-32mill) as did the afl tv deal of $473mill and $643mill of which afl has confirmed for the $643mill around $70mill is contra/in kind work.
Like how can he not understand this lol!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I honestly can’t believe he is still arguing this lol.
The nrl $402 mill announcement included contra (my guess around $30-32mill) as did the afl tv deal of $473mill and $643mill of which afl has confirmed for the $643mill around $70mill is contra/in kind work.
Like how can he not understand this lol!

Because he and his puppet are braindead hillbillies who see the world in black and white. Nothing much gets through their thick skulls. The information has been cited to them directly from the NRL annual report and various media sources, yet they still dispute it because they don't like the answer.

 

[Canard]

I mean, f**k me, how many times are we going to have this discussion?

The AFL got more, way more, we all know that.

 

[The Penguin #6.]

Because he and his puppet are braindead hillbillies who see the world in black and white. Nothing much gets through their thick skulls. The information has been cited to them directly from the NRL annual report and various media sources, yet they still dispute it because they don't like the answer.

Good on him, because Wb ain`t go to roll over and lap up how good is everything is for fumbleball like a lot of other suckers are around here. He`ll keep fighting the good fight until we come out on top and he`ll be the one who will be able to hold his head up and know he stuck by the League through thick and thin. Keep up the good fight Wb.

 

[Hank_Scorpio]

Good on him, because Wb ain`t go to roll over and lap up how good is everything is for fumbleball like a lot of other suckers are around here. He`ll keep fighting the good fight until we come out on top and he`ll be the one who will be able to hold his head up and know he stuck by the League through thick and thin. Keep up the good fight Wb.

Being positive about the NRL and wanting the best for the code does not change the reality of the disparity between the NRL TV money and the AFL. Spinning and twisting it within an inch of its life doesn’t change the outcome, which is clear. The NRL management have done a poor job of converting the winning ratings performance into TV revenue and should be rightfully criticised for it.

 

[Colk]

I mean, f**k me, how many times are we going to have this discussion?

The AFL got more, way more, we all know that.

100%. It shouldn’t be an argument - it is absolutely obvious

 

[The_Wookie]

Nine Entertainment is understood to be exploring a partial sale of its streaming business Stan after unsuccessful efforts to buy AFL broadcasting rights and a major contract loss.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/dataroom/nine-entertainment-mulls-partial-sale-of-stan-streaming-service/news-story/2cb92d02db89313e3535d10e1e3c7359

 

[Iamback]

Because it is the gold standard in deflection. There is still considerable overlap between the two deals and there is no argument one could put forth to suggest that somehow he was prevented from doing exactly what fumbleball did (renew for a short term and then market the deals after the pandemic had essentially passed). It is essentially spin that would even crease the face of a politician. He wants to argue that he does better than fumbleball but that is clearly not doing better then them. Surely even somebody with the most pro-V’Landys bent can’t sit there and be genuine and say that we have done better than fumbleball with this decision.

@Hank_Scorpio Happy to criticise when have all the facts, What people choose to ignore is the NRL deal is changing.

They are looking at the NRL deal and AFL deal as they sit. There are 2 seasons before it kicks in.
Already The Dolphins coming in has added $20m to the deal announced last year.

If the AFL deal starts with no change to the NRL, I will join in the TV Deal bashing but too soon

 

[Canard]

Nine Entertainment is understood to be exploring a partial sale of its streaming business Stan after unsuccessful efforts to buy AFL broadcasting rights and a major contract loss.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/dataroom/nine-entertainment-mulls-partial-sale-of-stan-streaming-service/news-story/2cb92d02db89313e3535d10e1e3c7359

Unfortunately, it's worth 2/3rds of f**k all

 

[Hank_Scorpio]

@Hank_Scorpio Happy to criticise when have all the facts, What people choose to ignore is the NRL deal is changing.

They are looking at the NRL deal and AFL deal as they sit. There are 2 seasons before it kicks in.
Already The Dolphins coming in has added $20m to the deal announced last year.

If the AFL deal starts with no change to the NRL, I will join in the TV Deal bashing but too soon

Until any deal changes are signed, we can only speak to the current conditions and not rumour, speculation and ‘what-ifs’. The current state suggests a massive gulf between the two deals, a result of NRL management pulling the trigger in haste for the next two years and selling for way unders given the ratings performance.

 

[Iamback]

Until any deal changes are signed, we can only speak to the current conditions and not rumour, speculation and ‘what-ifs’. The current state suggests a massive gulf between the two deals, a result of NRL management pulling the trigger in haste for the next two years and selling for way unders given the ratings performance.

All we have is rumours though that is my point

Take the AFL deal, The AFL themselves have said it includes Telstra but no party ( RIghtfully as it is 2 years aways ) has said what the updates are worth.
Hell even Ch7 has only said they are paying 20% extra so even that means you need to speculate what 20% extra is.

So to get TV deal being FTA/Pay tv and compare to NRL's the same. It can't be done yet when it can be compared

NRLW will have a schedule and able to be sold

Test matches too - Abdo said he wants 4 tests in a 5 week period post season.

We will know team 18 and then can compare the 2

 

[Colk]

@Hank_Scorpio Happy to criticise when have all the facts, What people choose to ignore is the NRL deal is changing.

They are looking at the NRL deal and AFL deal as they sit. There are 2 seasons before it kicks in.
Already The Dolphins coming in has added $20m to the deal announced last year.

If the AFL deal starts with no change to the NRL, I will join in the TV Deal bashing but too soon

Would you really?

From 2025, the deals as they stand are what $200 odd million difference (factoring contra) and most likely $100 and something million difference in cash.

You are never going to get all the facts (as a general rule of thumb you are never going to get all the facts on most subjects in life). Essentially you make judgements or conclusions based on the knowledge you have at hand as well as what is most probable of all possibilities (you know Occam’s Razor)

For argument’s sake, I could make a argument that a supermodel will sleep with me, or that I’ll be a multimillionaire in the next five years; however based on what I know now that is extremely unlikely.

Things could potentially change in the next few years for the TV deal; however based on previous evidence (the last deal), statements that the TV networks involved have come out with (they are not re-negotiating) and the fact that any potential ninth game would be done within this deal and not have any competitive tension, the highest probability is that our TV money won’t reach fumbleball’s deal in this current deal and the difference will still be significant until the next deal.