2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Perth Red]

I agree with what you've said. However sticking by Smith and his C9 deal would of meant taking a much smaller offer from Fox. And I dont think that was in the games best interest.

It actually wouldn't imo. Smith got the biggest FTA deal in the games history and for the first time ever more than Ch7 paid for AFL. Fox were pssed because they didnt get saturday night and simucast dirt cheap in the deal and knew Ch9 would drive a harder deal than the NRL. We got from Fox what we would have got anyways I suspect, just we got more FTA than we could have hoped.

The rest about Smith being rogue etc is just smoke and mirrors. NRL doesnt operate like that. There would have been a media rights committee from the commisioners, they had media negotiation specialists employed and the CEO would not have had the delegationto sign a deal without the Commissions blessing.

I'd have loved to have seen him play poker with Fox and see who folded. Lets be honest with the FTA deal (4 games on FTA a week) and NZ we wouldnt have needed Fox and been far off finically the previous deal (FTA and NZ would have been $205mill a year), and we could have seen what interest there was for streaming sales. Fox would have folded though, they need NRL more than NRL needs Fox.

 

[LeagueXIII]

The Smith deal was fine before the major partner Fox decided they got reamed by his going solo.It cost us in the end because Rupert doesn't give a stuff about the NRL, except for it to flog subs.He made it quite clear because of Smith being a feral beryl, he preferred the AFL, and gave them extra to back his view.
Smith might have been well meaning, but was raw when it came to Sydney media and the ruthlessness of the Murdochs.The AFL would not employ a CEO from overseas,who has zero idea of that code or its politics.

Smith knew what he was doing...yes Murdoch got pissed off that's what he does and attacks until the threat is gone.
Our game will always be controlled by Murdoch.

 

[LeagueXIII]

It actually wouldn't imo. Smith got the biggest FTA deal in the games history and for the first time ever more than Ch7 paid for AFL. Fox were pssed because they didnt get saturday night and simucast dirt cheap in the deal and knew Ch9 would drive a harder deal than the NRL. We got from Fox what we would have got anyways I suspect, just we got more FTA than we could have hoped.

The rest about Smith being rogue etc is just smoke and mirrors. NRL doesnt operate like that. There would have been a media rights committee from the commisioners, they had media negotiation specialists employed and the CEO would not have had the delegationto sign a deal without the Commissions blessing.

I'd have loved to have seen him play poker with Fox and see who folded. Lets be honest with the FTA deal (4 games on FTA a week) and NZ we wouldnt have needed Fox and been far off finically the previous deal (FTA and NZ would have been $205mill a year), and we could have seen what interest there was for streaming sales. Fox would have folded though, they need NRL more than NRL needs Fox.

Exactly...Smith was smart and tough...fox knew that and drove him out.
The media have been very good at repeatedly telling us we need them more then they need us...but the truth is the opposite they lose without our game...and they know it that's why they fight so dirty when threatened.
Look at the easy ride abdo gets...do we really think he's better then Smith....c'mon.

 

[tri_colours]

There's only two possible scenarios for this:
1. They have already sold exclusive streaming rights for all 8 games to Foxsports as part of the extension
2. They intend to offer the exclusive streaming rights as part of the FTA package for the 3 FTA games

Possibly its both of the above. You wouldn't cut Telstra out all together without offering them an opportunity to bid for streaming rights unless you had already decided who was getting them. Telstras free streaming would be hurting Kayo subscriptions for NRL fans massively. I suspect that the Fox extension has seen this competition removed.

They haven't sold them, it' s well documented that V'landys held them back. His purpose would of been bringing C9 back to the table.

 

[tri_colours]

It actually wouldn't imo. Smith got the biggest FTA deal in the games history and for the first time ever more than Ch7 paid for AFL. Fox were pssed because they didnt get saturday night and simucast dirt cheap in the deal and knew Ch9 would drive a harder deal than the NRL. We got from Fox what we would have got anyways I suspect, just we got more FTA than we could have hoped.

The rest about Smith being rogue etc is just smoke and mirrors. NRL doesnt operate like that. There would have been a media rights committee from the commisioners, they had media negotiation specialists employed and the CEO would not have had the delegationto sign a deal without the Commissions blessing.

I'd have loved to have seen him play poker with Fox and see who folded. Lets be honest with the FTA deal (4 games on FTA a week) and NZ we wouldnt have needed Fox and been far off finically the previous deal (FTA and NZ would have been $205mill a year), and we could have seen what interest there was for streaming sales. Fox would have folded though, they need NRL more than NRL needs Fox.

Yes , it would have been the biggest FTA ever .But It would of also meant a lousy deal from Fox . With all speculations at the time putting us well short of what we got. Most of the estimates were we would only get $1.3/1.4 billion.

In my opinion channel 9 never had any intention of keeping all the rights they bought , but reselling them for a profit.

We all seen howC9 carried on when the rights cost them $100 m a year. How do you reckon they'd go if they had to pay almost $200m a year?

 

[Perth Red]

They haven't sold them, it' s well documented that V'landys held them back. His purpose would of been bringing C9 back to the table.

They will not sell all 8 games streaming to Ch9, Fox will never allow it. If they arent already bundled in the Fox deal I'll be amazed. Fox knows Kayo is its future over the next 7 years. To get subscribers it needs exclusivity. It'd be like selling a Friday night and sunday game to channel 9 then selling them again to channel 7. Best Ch9 will get is its own three games for streaming. Hopefully Fox paid more than the $20mill plus a year we could have got from Telstra.

 

[Perth Red]

Yes , it would have been the biggest FTA ever .But It would of also meant a lousy deal from Fox . With all speculations at the time putting us well short of what we got. Most of the estimates were we would only get $1.3/1.4 billion.

In my opinion channel 9 never had any intention of keeping all the rights they bought , but reselling them for a profit.

We all seen howC9 carried on when the rights cost them $100 m a year. How do you reckon they'd go if they had to pay almost $200m a year?

lol that would have meant Fox only paying about $60mill a year which is half of what they paid the previous deal, like that would have happened. You are right about Ch9 and Saturday night though and it looks like we got a better deal by selling them to Ch9 and letting them sell back to Fox than if we had bundled them up in Fox deal (it cost Fox $35mill a year). That is ultimately why they were so pssed off, Im not losing sleep over them having to pay more lol.
I notice Fox dont have the same problem with Ch7 having Saturday night rights. We really need to get off the Foxsports teat!

When you consider the Smith deal you have to appreciate that he got Ch9 from $85 mill a year in previous contract to $185million! That is a massive jump.

Comparisons

13-15 AFL ahead $45mill a year
18-23 AFL ahead by $56mill a year
23- ???

Its clear that Smith delivered a massive FTA deal for the game but then we caved in to Fox and signed a sht deal that put us further behind AFL.

 

[tri_colours]

They will not sell all 8 games streaming to Ch9, Fox will never allow it. If they arent already bundled in the Fox deal I'll be amazed. Fox knows Kayo is its future over the next 7 years. To get subscribers it needs exclusivity. It'd be like selling a Friday night and sunday game to channel 9 then selling them again to channel 7. Best Ch9 will get is its own three games for streaming. Hopefully Fox paid more than the $20mill plus a year we could have got from Telstra.

We'll just have to wait and see because were just going over the same old ground.

Fox has no say in what the NRL do with there rights.

 

[tri_colours]

lol that would have meant Fox only paying about $60mill a year which is half of what they paid the previous deal, like that would have happened. You are right about Ch9 and Saturday night though and it looks like we got a better deal by selling them to Ch9 and letting them sell back to Fox than if we had bundled them up in Fox deal (it cost Fox $35mill a year). That is ultimately why they were so pssed off, Im not losing sleep over them having to pay more lol.
I notice Fox dont have the same problem with Ch7 having Saturday night rights. We really need to get off the Foxsports teat!

Almost 100m a year!

 

[Perth Red]

Fox has no say in what the NRL do with there rights.

Haha. I love your naivety.

 

[tri_colours]

Haha. I love your naivety.

what was the smith deal worth? $925m!

1.4m is 475m over 5 years or 95m even at 1.3 its still considerably more than $60m a year.

I only told you what the reports said!

"
It is also reported that News Corp is likely to refuse to match the $530 million sum Fox Sports signed for five exclusive matches a round under the existing five-year contract, which ends in 2017."


https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/spor...490104634?sv=c4fd5ba2691ff22bbbf5373d3154633c


https://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2015/s4335825.htm

 

[taipan]

Smith knew what he was doing...yes Murdoch got pissed off that's what he does and attacks until the threat is gone.
Our game will always be controlled by Murdoch.

Smith admitted from day one,he was new to rugby league,He did not understand the politics, nor the sh*t News has been putting on the game well before he was around.Why the hell does a sport like AFL regarded by some including PR as the greatest thing since sliced bred, only have local CEOS with AFL backgrounds? Because you can't afford novices .He did some good things ,but geez your main source of income upset!!!

There is no one else to blame, when Murdoch got sh*tted off, every deal prior involved contact with both broadcasters.Whoever decided not to follow this routine either didn't have a clue or threw Smith under the bus.The fact he was on his own at the 9 announcement says something.

Unless Murdoch & Co have the secret to eternal life,I call BS on that.New technology is evolving all the time.
News didn't tell Vlad to to bring in new rules, nor push ahead with getting the game up and running during COVID,nor slash staff, nor put up going for a 2nd Brisbane side, nor organise the Warriors in a bubble..

They(News) do not have 1/2 ownership now of the NRL.In fact the NRL are looking at possible private equity for a share of the code, like other codes are doing overseas.

The media in Victoria have the AFL by the short and curlies, it's almost inbreeding.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Looks like Kevin Rudd is out to get Murdoch.

 

[taipan]

Today's Sunday Telegraph shows exactly the crap News Ltd throws up against the NRL.Double page dirt story ,no journos name ,and allegations by an unnamed source .
For anyone to suggest the NRL is in bed with that mob, is smoking the funny stuff.

 

[Perth Red]

Today's Sunday Telegraph shows exactly the crap News Ltd throws up against the NRL.Double page dirt story ,no journos name ,and allegations by an unnamed source .
For anyone to suggest the NRL is in bed with that mob, is smoking the funny stuff.

The fact they can print continual damaging stuff about the game with no consequence or rebuttal from the nrl shows just how much they have us on a leash. 7 more years, sigh.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Today's Sunday Telegraph shows exactly the crap News Ltd throws up against the NRL.Double page dirt story ,no journos name ,and allegations by an unnamed source .
For anyone to suggest the NRL is in bed with that mob, is smoking the funny stuff.

How they drove 3 of our games leaders out of our game because they dared to take the game in a different direction that threatened them proves otherwise....we've seen the outcome they have a 7 year deal. Lucky them.

 

[taipan]

The fact they can print continual damaging stuff about the game with no consequence or rebuttal from the nrl shows just how much they have us on a leash. 7 more years, sigh.

Wait a minute.One minute you have been saying we are in bed with them,(meaning sucking up to them doing everything at their behest ) the next minute you say they have us on a leash.
You don't bash dogs on a leash.
Yep agree the point and advise the previous CEOs have been beholden to News.all of em.
At least V'lad went ahead with COVID early to get comp up.which New wasn't keen on.

You have never heard of the saying the power of the pen.The media prints without fear
, and certainly in our case without favour.Why bash a sport that provides a major part of your subs.
If you are going to use that view, then it can be argued ch 9 has us on a leash, they put sh*t on us at times.Yet Smith was all over them and Gyngell.
There is a lot about the media (News in particular) I despise that article is an example, yet they provide a fair share of our revenue.Yet much of the time we have ourselves to blame for the offfield crap.It's the comments like " anonymous sources",and unsourced allegations that sh*ts me, and the journos with agendas against the NRL and twp page stories with no acknowledged source..
Yeah it's friggin sad we know we have 7 years of a source of revenue certainty LOL.We need more uncertainty is the PR mantra.

 

[taipan]

How they drove 3 of our games leaders out of our game because they dared to take the game in a different direction that threatened them proves otherwise....we've seen the outcome they have a 7 year deal. Lucky them.

But PR has stated we follow their(News) every whim, and they did own half of us for quite a while, suggests that not only News are pr*cks but as we have noted here over the years our CEOs have hardly been world beaters.How many times has PR bagged Greenberg and Gallop, as did most of us.Some of us also bagged Smith, although according to a few he was perfect LOL.


7 year deal of which 2 is part of current one ending 2022.If you prefer financial uncertainty in these troubled and uncertain times over revenue certainty, then you prefer NRL staff and players to also feel fearful of their future.I would rather get long term money from the devil, than live in hope from a nice person years down the line.

I'm still trying to figure out what direction News wants us to go.All they want is subscriptions for Fox, and people buying their papers(that's why they throw sh*t).News are thugs at times, but we have had CEOs that have hardly been great performers ,else we'd have a big nestegg and a 20 team NRL comp.The code is marking time.

 

[Perth Red]

They haven't sold them, it' s well documented that V'landys held them back. His purpose would of been bringing C9 back to the table.

He's sold the 8 games streaming to Fox, mark my words. There will be capacity for FTA to show its own content on a streaming channel, 3 games a week. Fox needs all 8 games for it to survive with KAYO being its future. No way they sign a 7 year deal without that being a part of it. Only hope is he got some coin for them given Telstra paid $100mill and were cut out of negotiations, time will tell.

 

[Perth Red]

Wait a minute.One minute you have been saying we are in bed with them,(meaning sucking up to them doing everything at their behest ) the next minute you say they have us on a leash.
You don't bash dogs on a leash.
.

In bed in a BDSM kind of way, where we are their bitches!