2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Desert Qlder]

Nine Entertainment Co boss Hugh Marks has pledged to drive a hard bargain in talks with the NRL over the extension of a key rights deal as he looks to trim more costs from the company's core television business.

The broadcasting and publishing company, which owns The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age, swung to a $575 million loss for the 2020 financial year with revenue sliding 7 per cent

arlier this year, Nine moved swiftly to cut costs to mitigate the impact of COVID-19, including by renegotiating its current NRL deal and suspending bonuses for top executives. "The reason we did [not extend with the NRL] is because we wanted to see what happened over the next couple of years," Mr Marks said.

"Everything needs to pay its way," Mr Marks said. "What we’d hope is that maybe we can lift NRL performance and maybe that will justify the price. But if it doesn’t perform for us, then everything has to pay its way. That’ll be part of the negotiations when they happen."

Subscription streaming service Stan, which this week announced plans for a large increase in investment in original projects and a multi-million dollar content deal with NBC Universal, reported revenue growth of 54 per cent to $242 million. Stan now has about 2.2 million subscribers.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/com...ving-despite-deep-losses-20200827-p55pq7.html

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[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Cricket is in deep dung.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...ox-refuse-to-pay-in-full-20200915-p55vo2.html

 

[LeagueXIII]

Anyone watch the "Rise of the Murdoch Dynasty" on ABC last night?

Interesting that one of the pieces of advice given by former PM Paul Keating was Murdoch is only interested in Murdoch first, second, third and fourth ie. all his business interests and protecting them.

The episode also focused on how Tony Blair came to power over John Major in the UK with the backing of the Murdoch media.

Now could something similar happen in Australia, mind you at a smaller level in rugby league?
Similar tactics could be used if someone were to threaten Murdoch's Foxtel/Interests, surely he wouldn't slander one group of administrators to bring through another more favourable to his interests. I mean Peter V'landys is a saint and will lead us to the promised land.......tell us again Pete how much and what did you give Rupert in that deal Pete? Oh that's right it's a secret....................hmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Desert Qlder]

Anyone watch the "Rise of the Murdoch Dynasty" on ABC last night?

Interesting that one of the pieces of advice given by former PM Paul Keating was Murdoch is only interested in Murdoch first, second, third and fourth ie. all his business interests and protecting them.

The episode also focused on how Tony Blair came to power over John Major in the UK with the backing of the Murdoch media.

Now could something similar happen in Australia, mind you at a smaller level in rugby league?
Similar tactics could be used if someone were to threaten Murdoch's Foxtel/Interests, surely he wouldn't slander one group of administrators to bring through another more favourable to his interests. I mean Peter V'landys is a saint and will lead us to the promised land.......tell us again Pete how much and what did you give Rupert in that deal Pete? Oh that's right it's a secret....................hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Wow what a revelation.

 

[LeagueXIII]

Wow what a revelation.

Thought you'd be impressed

 

[Perth Red]

Anyone watch the "Rise of the Murdoch Dynasty" on ABC last night?

Interesting that one of the pieces of advice given by former PM Paul Keating was Murdoch is only interested in Murdoch first, second, third and fourth ie. all his business interests and protecting them.

The episode also focused on how Tony Blair came to power over John Major in the UK with the backing of the Murdoch media.

Now could something similar happen in Australia, mind you at a smaller level in rugby league?
Similar tactics could be used if someone were to threaten Murdoch's Foxtel/Interests, surely he wouldn't slander one group of administrators to bring through another more favourable to his interests. I mean Peter V'landys is a saint and will lead us to the promised land.......tell us again Pete how much and what did you give Rupert in that deal Pete? Oh that's right it's a secret....................hmmmmmmmmmmmm

"But in the end truth will out.” - Merchant of Venice

 

[LeagueXIII]

"But in the end truth will out.” - Merchant of Venice

Indeed it will...

 

[Perth Red]

All we know at moment:

Ch9 renegotiated down deal for covid effected year plus reduced further 2 years - no amount specified
Foxsports renegotiated deal for next 7 years - no amount or inclusions specified
Telstra not invited to bid for digital rights 2023 onwards - loss of $20million a year

Media revenue last year as a bar to measure drop for covid 2020 was $324.6million (plus an up front payment which if spread over the 5 years equaled a further $20million) Total $344.6million cash. All things being equal 2020 media revenue should have been around $351.1million cash

Important things to note are the massive ch9 deal Smith negotiated included the option for Ch9 to sell the Sat night game and simucast rights to Fox. That significantly increased the fta deal (but may have potentially reduced the Fox deal). IF Vlandys has sold Sat night and simucast rights and digital to Fox for the 5 year extension then we had better hope that it is for a lot more than the current $155mill a year they are paying as we will inevitably get a much lessor FTA deal and no Telstra deal.

Last deal (inc contra)
Ch9 $925mill
Fox $775mill
Telstra $100mill

 

[LeagueXIII]

NRL announce 25% staff cuts

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sp...-in-50-million-reduction-20200921-p55xkw.html

 

[Perth Red]

Anyone watch the "Rise of the Murdoch Dynasty" on ABC last night?

Interesting that one of the pieces of advice given by former PM Paul Keating was Murdoch is only interested in Murdoch first, second, third and fourth ie. all his business interests and protecting them.

The episode also focused on how Tony Blair came to power over John Major in the UK with the backing of the Murdoch media.

Now could something similar happen in Australia, mind you at a smaller level in rugby league?
Similar tactics could be used if someone were to threaten Murdoch's Foxtel/Interests, surely he wouldn't slander one group of administrators to bring through another more favourable to his interests. I mean Peter V'landys is a saint and will lead us to the promised land.......tell us again Pete how much and what did you give Rupert in that deal Pete? Oh that's right it's a secret....................hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Its interesting that all the talk over last few years was about the need to develop digital to control future content ownership, production and on-selling. Then Vlandys comes in, media starts promoting NRL wasting money on things like digital and Vlandys signs us back up to Fox for 7 years and removes Telstra streaming out of the equation. Maybe a coincidence?
We know Vlandy's is in bed with Fox from racing deals, how much in bed and how much to the detriment of RL who knows?

 

[LeagueXIII]

Its interesting that all the talk over last few years was about the need to develop digital to control future content ownership, production and on-selling. Then Vlandys comes in, media starts promoting NRL wasting money on things like digital and Vlandys signs us back up to Fox for 7 years and removes Telstra streaming out of the equation. Maybe a coincidence?
We know Vlandy's is in bed with Fox from racing deals, how much in bed and how much to the detriment of RL who knows?

No coincidence...going by the standard tactics employed by news Ltd whenever their business is threatened they attack until they get what they want....we can all join the dots of what's happened over the last 6 or so months. It was always going to happen covid or not.
It usually happens with politicians and Murdoch's interests. We aren't use to it in sport but every leader of our sport since Gallop who threatened to take league away loses news Ltd support and gets driven out of town.
Now we have our saviour Pete and they love him.....I wonder why.

 

[LeagueXIII]

What is disturbing is that are game is so valuable that they can't afford to lose it....we have the power.

 

[tri_colours]

Telstra not invited to bid for digital rights 2023 onwards - loss of $20million a year

Media revenue last year as a bar to measure drop for covid 2020 was $324.6million (plus an up front payment which if spread over the 5 years equaled a further $20million) Total $344.6million cash. All things being equal 2020 media revenue should have been around $351.1million cash

Important things to note are the massive ch9 deal Smith negotiated included the option for Ch9 to sell the Sat night game and simucast rights to Fox. That significantly increased the fta deal (but may have potentially reduced the Fox deal). IF Vlandys has sold Sat night and simucast rights and digital to Fox for the 5 year extension then we had better hope that it is for a lot more than the current $155mill a year they are paying as we will inevitably get a much lessor FTA deal and no Telstra deal.

Last deal (inc contra)
Ch9 $925mill
Fox $775mill
Telstra $100mill

Nine currently own the steaming rights for there 3 games, and Telstra must own the other 5. V'landys is only using those games as an insentive for C9 to take up the three games in 2013. Telstra will take up whatever games they can . So Telstra will buy 5 or 8 in 2013, depending on what Ch 9 does.

Fox were totally pissed off with Smiths deal. It would of meant a lot less money from fox.

 

[taipan]

The Smith deal was fine before the major partner Fox decided they got reamed by his going solo.It cost us in the end because Rupert doesn't give a stuff about the NRL, except for it to flog subs.He made it quite clear because of Smith being a feral beryl, he preferred the AFL, and gave them extra to back his view.
Smith might have been well meaning, but was raw when it came to Sydney media and the ruthlessness of the Murdochs.The AFL would not employ a CEO from overseas,who has zero idea of that code or its politics.

 

[LeagueXIII]

The Smith deal was fine before the major partner Fox decided they got reamed by his going solo.It cost us in the end because Rupert doesn't give a stuff about the NRL, except for it to flog subs.He made it quite clear because of Smith being a feral beryl, he preferred the AFL, and gave them extra to back his view.
Smith might have been well meaning, but was raw when it came to Sydney media and the ruthlessness of the Murdochs.The AFL would not employ a CEO from overseas,who has zero idea of that code or its politics.

He would have been briefed...he wasn't feral at all. I got a great deal from 9 for the game. He knew streaming was coming and he and Grant set sail this threatened Murdoch's business so the usual tactics occur slandering a very competent person. He's referred to as feral because the media kept telling you this. He had a plan it was for league to break free of the vultures and secure it's true worth.

 

[taipan]

He would have been briefed...he wasn't feral at all. I got a great deal from 9 for the game. He knew streaming was coming and he and Grant set sail this threatened Murdoch's business so the usual tactics occur slandering a very competent person. He's referred to as feral because the media kept telling you this. He had a plan it was for league to break free of the vultures and secure it's true worth.

If that were the case, he would have had at leat one member of the Commission or a higher up person accompany him to the ch9 announcement.He was there solo, and not a good look.I watched the whole announcement ,as I did the News one with the AFL.
Every ARL or NRL broadcast announcement has had at least two from the RL and the broadcast partner at least one.
Of course he got a great deal from 9, but it's not much of a great deal, when the thing is watered down because the other major broadcast partner was shoved aside.
Grant knew technology not arguing that point, but it appears he did not understand the working set up with 09 and Fox when negotiating.On that basis ,it can be argued both Smith and Grant went feral.

Because in the end we got shafted by News and the AFL got a bonus.If that's good for our game,I didn't type this.Smith an outsider unlike AFL CEOS did not understand the Oz media landscape.And the game because of his going in boots and all to 9 we didn't get true worth in the end.We got a ruthless couldnlt give a sh*t News offside

We all know the media are vultures, and they can make or break clubs and impact the game.I have a fair idea, as my club has been on the receiving end by Sloth and his employer.Smith was naive enough not to understand this.

 

[Perth Red]

Nine currently own the steaming rights for there 3 games, and Telstra must own the other 5. V'landys is only using those games as an insentive for C9 to take up the three games in 2013. Telstra will take up whatever games they can . So Telstra will buy 5 or 8 in 2013, depending on what Ch 9 does.

Fox were totally pissed off with Smiths deal. It would of meant a lot less money from fox.

Not according to Telstra.


As both the NRL and Foxtel (in which Telstra has a 35 per cent stake) celebrated their rights renewal, the telco provider – also the long-term naming rights sponsor – was quietly seething.

"We are ... disappointed to learn the NRL, through their agreement with Foxtel, has decided not to make those digital rights on mobile available beyond 2022," a Telstra spokesman said at the time.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/com...-strategy-after-nrl-snub-20200614-p552dy.html

 

[tri_colours]

Not according to Telstra.


As both the NRL and Foxtel (in which Telstra has a 35 per cent stake) celebrated their rights renewal, the telco provider – also the long-term naming rights sponsor – was quietly seething.

"We are ... disappointed to learn the NRL, through their agreement with Foxtel, has decided not to make those digital rights on mobile available beyond 2022," a Telstra spokesman said at the time.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/com...-strategy-after-nrl-snub-20200614-p552dy.html

What reason would the NRL have for not be selling all its rights?

 

[tri_colours]

He would have been briefed...he wasn't feral at all. I got a great deal from 9 for the game. He knew streaming was coming and he and Grant set sail this threatened Murdoch's business so the usual tactics occur slandering a very competent person. He's referred to as feral because the media kept telling you this. He had a plan it was for league to break free of the vultures and secure it's true worth.

I agree with what you've said. However sticking by Smith and his C9 deal would of meant taking a much smaller offer from Fox. And I dont think that was in the games best interest.

 

[Perth Red]

What reason would the NRL have for not be selling all its rights?

There's only two possible scenarios for this:
1. They have already sold exclusive streaming rights for all 8 games to Foxsports as part of the extension
2. They intend to offer the exclusive streaming rights as part of the FTA package for the 3 FTA games

Possibly its both of the above. You wouldn't cut Telstra out all together without offering them an opportunity to bid for streaming rights unless you had already decided who was getting them. Telstras free streaming would be hurting Kayo subscriptions for NRL fans massively. I suspect that the Fox extension has seen this competition removed.