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Discussion in 'NRL Media Watch' started by Perth Red, Nov 27, 2019.

  1. Desert Qlder

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    The new Network Ten co-CEO Jarrod Villani mentioned in Rothfield's article has only recently (Nov 2020) come into that organisation as part of a restructure there.

    That V'Landys is already meeting with him is a very clear sign of intention from both organisations, that they are will to explore options.

    Nine for their part are having tremendous success off the back of MAFS, blowing Seven away with that program as their nightly anchor. They could be in a position to move away from high level sport like NRL. But history has proven that reality TV programs do have a shelf life. Eventually MAFS will no longer be the hit article. Whereas sport has a more sustained ratings life.

    Either way, it is interesting times ahead.
     
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    Hopefully it happens.

    Ch. 9 have treated their long term sports with nothing but contempt.
     
  3. taipan

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    Agree, their nauseous push flogging rugby union , sticks out like a technicolour yawn in the Pitt street Mall.
    Tennis will help in summer, netball not as much. Union only when the All Blacks play, rest of the time snoozeville ratings.
    For their major winter sport in the past, ch9's promotion for rugby league has either been next to non existent or they use old shots of punch ups for the SOO.Amateurism first class.They've taken rugby league for granted and it's fans.I'm hoping Rugba Vlad bundles em into touch.
     
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  4. Perth Red

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    God I hope someone other than Ch9 get the rights! Mags is a big hit?I I
    Despair for the future of humanity!
     
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    Well Roy really drank the AFL cool aid this time. First Roy says the Afl get $946m for two years 2023 and 2024 or $473 per year. Just to show how far off this is Roy, if this one year deal of $476m over six years like their old deal over six years would equal 2.8 billion dollars. 2.8 billion dollars, your got to be joking. I am afraid Roy isn't. It was just a note in the accounts not officially in the accounts and put their to fool you Roy, which it did. ( and by the way AFL 2020, haven't been publicly released yet) Sometimes Roy acts like controlled opposition just to make himself and his prejudices ( yes I know well all have them ) agreeable to ABC INSIDERS.

    ROY -The AFL gained extensions with both its broadcasters, Seven and Foxtel, delivering $946 million over 2023-24, or an average of $473 million per year. SMH 2/03/21 Roy.

    Just for Roy again, Telstra announced that they won't renew their 300m/ 50 yearly payment to the AFL, so no $ money for the AFL in the 2023 and 2024 ( $946 over two years OR 476 yearly supposedly money.
    Lets crack it open now
    Telstra = zero dolars
    Seven = 150m per year (2023 and 20240 as supplied by Perth red and the age newspaper.
    Foxtel= 200m per year (slight increase on previous deal was 183m per year) (1)
    Total= 350. where is the 123m per year- not f**king their Roy.

    In regards to the NRL one must calculate the repayment of $100 million ADVANCE to the media, NIne and Foxtel. It would be the business deal of millium if the NRL did not 'pay back this money. It's stated that Advance payback will be by reduced payments of the contractual amounts that the media pay to the NRL. So any discussion of how much the NRL get or don't get MUST take into account that this year accounts have within them probably the final 'payback' or reduced media revenue of $50m to $60 million dollars. So all light of the Advance of 100m the rest of Roys calculations are plainly wrong so I can't be bothered to address them.

    (1) https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...adcast-deal-by-two-years-20201223-p56prx.html
     
  7. Perth Red

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    Big difference between cash value and overall value. I suspect the figure being banded about by the afl is cash plus contra plus digital. In 2019 that equated to $413.4mill for afl. If they have got an Increase on that it’s pretty good going considering what we’ve been hearing about reduced deals. Sadly we will never know for NRL has Vlandys has buried the true figures, wonder why?
     
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  8. Perth Red

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    Problem in Master's report, in fact the AFL has continued with cost cutting. For him to surmise they are using only revenue raising, doesn't pass the pub test.Not arguing the AFL gets greater revenue than the NRL.
    We used to have Banks such as the CBA backing schools junior rl, until continual brawls stuffed that contract up.

    All codes in fact look at revenue raising ,it's nonsensical to suggest otherwise ,but in times of COVID costs had to take a hit.
    Non broadcasting revenue also has taken a hit with COVID,there are so many anomalies.
    Any case the accounts need to be examined when lodged with ASIC, and Roy whilst generally on the mark has been caught out before.
    And bear in mind the paper he writes for, is part of the ch9/Fairfax combo.He is hardly going to rip into his paymaster.
     
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    Nice to see I wasnt the only one who noticed the dodgy hiding of the revenue! I’ve estimated the revenue reduction to be anywhere up to $71.1million but likely to be between $50-71mill based on what figures you can see. Of course it could be more if the other line items in “licensing increased rather than decreased in 2020 but who knows. Despite working for them Roy hasn’t failed to point out the irony that vlandys deal gave Ch9 the funds to put union back on fta!
     
  11. Hello, I'm The Doctor

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    I dont even care if NRL loses a stack of money. Just get the game away from C9!!!!

    mistake to stay with them in 2013 and bigger mistake in 2018.

    Get rid of the morons, please
     
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    It was American economist Aaron Levenstein who compared statistics to a bikini, saying, “what they reveal is suggestive but what they conceal is vital.”

    Based on the recently published NRL financial accounts, ARLC chair Peter V’landys is dressing the code in a top-to-ankle swimsuit.

    For the first time since 2012, the accounts for the financial year ended October 31, 2020, do not reveal income from broadcasting.

    Instead, total revenue is shown as $417.273 million, rather than divided into broadcast and non-broadcast revenue, as it was in 2019.


    Broadcast revenue from Nine Entertainment, Fox Sports and Telstra represents the greatest source of income to the governing body, suggesting that V’landys clearly wants to shield it from public view.

    Perhaps he doesn’t want to reveal the extent to which the code took a hit from broadcasters as a result of the COVID-19 disrupted season, compared to the AFL.

    However, it is possible to tease out the NRL 2020 broadcasting income by examining the cost of non-broadcast revenue.

    The margin for non-broadcast revenue is historically around 50 per cent. In 2020, the costs of earning (accountants call this COGS – Cost of Goods Sold), the non-broadcast revenue, was $65.445 million, listed in the financials as “Event, Game and Sponsorship”.

    This is the amount of money spent on putting on the show. To establish the non-broadcast revenue number, you simply multiply the COGS of $65.445 million by two, meaning the non-broadcast revenue was around $130.89 million.

    Subtracting $130.89 million from the published total revenue of $417.273 million, reveals broadcast revenue to be $286.383 million, or $274.865 million if JobKeeper is excluded.

    Pre COVID-19 broadcast revenue for 2020 was estimated to be $330 million, meaning the NRL gave broadcasters an approximate $50 million to $60 million discount.

    The exact figure will be known when the NRL is obliged to lodge its accounts with the Australian Securities and Investments Commission in approximately 30 days time.

    The AFL’s financial report showed its broadcast revenue dropped by $45 million from $397 million received in 2019, compared to the NRL’s discount of $50 million to $60 million on 2019 broadcast income of $324.6 million.


    In other words, rugby league took a bigger hit on less income – although the NRL’s discount, structured over three years, was weighted towards year one.

    This is understandable, given reports Nine’s Hugh Marks threatened to further disrupt the resumption of the already shortened NRL season with legal action, unless he reached a satisfactory discount.

    However, V’landys also gave Nine further discounts. According to information forwarded to the Australian Stock Exchange, Nine had projected savings on rugby league for each of the 2021 and 2022 seasons of $27.5m, although that figure also includes a cut in Nine’s production costs.

    Nine subsequently bought Rugby Australia’s broadcast rights for the three years from 2021 for $100 million, raising whether the savings Nine gained from the NRL were used to buy the TV product of its century long rival.


    More significantly, what will be the position if Nine, having been awarded generous discounts, doesn’t renew its free-to-air rights with the NRL when they expire at the end of the 2022 season?

    We don’t know how much of the $50 million to $60 million discount was split between Nine and Fox Sports but V’landys was able to renegotiate Fox Sports deal past 2022 to 2027. V’landys describes the terms of the five-year extension as “commercial-in-confidence” but it was good news for the Murdoch owned company who, in the words of one Fox executive, “can’t get enough of rugby league.”

    If Fox Sports took a small slice of the $50 million to $60 million in order for the NRL to be sufficiently cashed up to fund its clubs in 2020 – in exchange for a longer deal – it also demonstrates what a great short term outcome Nine received.

    The AFL gained extensions with both its broadcasters, Seven and Foxtel, delivering $946 million over 2023-24, or an average of $473 million per year.

    Considering the NRL was scheduled to receive approximately $340 million in 2021, now reduced by at least $27.5 million as a result of Nine’s discount, the gap with AFL seems likely to grow.

    Unless, of course, V’landys has negotiated a monster extension with Fox Sports! Alternatively, Seven has to fund its promised increase to the AFL, with industry sources saying it has overpaid by $50 million.

    The NRL cut approximately $50 million out of headquarters costs to fund its clubs in 2020. Both codes will step into new slim-lined suits this season as football department budgets are slashed but the data suggests rugby league will continue its strategy of addressing its financial problems via cost-cutting, while the AFL traditionally approaches theirs through revenue raising.
     
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    I take the quotes one by one
    "Considering the NRL was scheduled to receive approximately $340 million in 2021, now reduced by at least $27.5 million as a result of Nine’s discount, the gap with AFL seems likely to grow." End quote
    I know they go up 2% per yeay but up from 2019 when media got $324m it's a stretch to say 2021 we get $340, maybe $336 m BUT Roy would say apox whats $4-5m however it is off the figures he quotes.

    Roy quotes
    "The AFL gained extensions with both its broadcasters, Seven and Foxtel, delivering $946 million over 2023-24, or an average of $473 million per year." End quote
    I don't to say anything at all about this- as written before it's pure bullshit.

    "Pre COVID-19 broadcast revenue for 2020 was estimated to be $330 million, meaning the NRL gave broadcasters an approximate $50 million to $60 million discount.

    The exact figure will be known when the NRL is obliged to lodge its accounts with the Australian Securities and Investments Commission in approximately 30 days time. "End of Quote

    Well after a long time I found how you can get the NRL accounts with ASIC. But it will cost $60 apox
    ( when lodged ) to buy. It may well show the NRL 'has to accept deeper cuts ( However they (NRL) were the first as opposed to the afl, by a long shot in trying to resolve the impasse. Truthfully Nine were stating that they were walking away from the contract.) It was no idle threat to walk away, Nine advised legally that they were saving/cancelling the NRL contract to advisors. Roy works for Nine- and as a league follower why didn't he pick up the blower to Marks- and tell him how's your father. But no, slink onto ABC OFFSIDERS and put the boot in- when he could have played a very constructive role. Roy decided to sit on his hands and carp from the sidelines.
     
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  14. Perth Red

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    1. he Rounded up a bit, that’s if it’s exactly 2% annual increase which Im not sure.
    2019 $324.6mill
    2020 $331.5mill
    2021 $338.1mill

    2. That’s what you believe, you don’t know it for a fact. I suspect it’s cash, contra and digital.

    3. good on him for being the only journo willing to call vlandys and abdo out for their dodgy attempts to hide the media deal they have signed us up to and keep the fans in the dark.
     
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    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/so...ntor-suaalii-at-roosters-20210306-p578e1.html

     
  16. Phil McGrawhan

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    Lol
    I'm sure our resident afl cheerleader will decipher this as bad ...very very bad .
    PVL did bad .
    Rinse repeat .
    Rinse repeat.
     
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    Yep the old wash ,rinse ,repeat.
    People (no names no pack drill) with the usual agenda ,look only at the peripherals of any NRL deals.If major content is reduced dramatically any right minded Tv executive or any business for that matter would not lie back and play the charity game.You pay for what you get.You buy a large cup of coffee you pay X,a smaller one X minus.Content the source of revenue for TV stations.
    Orange man bad because he very rude and nasty, yet gets job done, Vlad man bad because he looks shifty, yet gets jobs done.
    Haters always going to hate.
    That's not to say people are above criticism.As a perfectionist I accept that:p
     
  18. Perth Red

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    Keep singing from the song sheet boys lol
    there’s a reason the figures have been buried in the accounts.

    not sure the report figures are right re reduction, yes less rounds but no bye affected rounds last year so overall games less than what he has quoted I think? Will add it up one day if I can be bothered! As for the rest of it where’s the figures? What is the discount for year 2&3 for each code he talks about? Just more heresay because the nrl won’t tell us what deal they’ve done.
     
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    Peter V’landys wants the NRL to have its long-term free-to-air partner locked in by the end of the year, while declaring he will “cop the brickbats” for keeping the COVID discounts afforded to Nine Entertainment Co and Foxtel shrouded in secrecy.

    The Australian Rugby League Commission chairman remains bullish about the prospect of competitive tension in the race for the free-to-air rights, which expire at the end of the 2022 season.
    V’landys and NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo want the code’s broadcast fate to be decided later this year given the volatile worldwide sports rights market.

    V’landys used the NRL’s season launch to claim “there are a few options” in the free-to-air space after a ruthless renegotiation with outgoing Nine chief executive Hugh Marks during last year’s COVID-enforced season shut down. Nine is the publisher of this masthead.
    The NRL will want the likes of Seven West Media and Ten to express an interest in the rugby league rights, which have been a longtime staple of Nine’s programming.

    “They are genuine options,” V’landys said. “We hedged our bets by doing a long-term deal with Fox, who supplied two-thirds of our broadcast revenue.

    “The free-to-air channel is one-third of our revenue, but where they are important for us is the eyeballs. That’s where Nine is very good. It’s a powerhouse and we just hope we can come to some arrangement.

    “[But] broadcast is an unpredictable beast. You don’t know what is around the corner and you’re seeing sports around the world taking substantially less, and that’s why we covered ourselves with two-thirds of our revenue.
    “The important thing people forget is our broadcasters provide all the production which is worth about $50 million.”

    But what V’landys was a little more coy on was the deals he cut with Marks and Foxtel boss Patrick Delany after intense renegotiation of their existing contracts last year.

    Nine forecast it would save $27.5 million in each of the 2021 and 2022 financial years under revised agreements, but the entire discount was hidden from public view when the NRL released its annual report last week.

    There is still uncertainty about how much Foxtel paid to for its five-year extension from 2023, which was announced on the same night the NRL resumed after its COVID break last year.
    Asked about the lack of clarity over the NRL’s current and future TV income, V’landys said: “A lot of the figures [reported] are completely inaccurate.

    “What people haven’t taken into account is we played 20 per cent less games [last year], we didn’t play a Test match and didn’t play the Pacific nations games. And the discount we gave was less than that. I’m very happy with the deal we did given the less product we provided. That’s what everyone forgets.
    I’ll tell you who did better [out of the NRL and AFL] over three years because let’s just see how their accounts are next year. I pride myself on commercial in confidence, I pride myself on when you do a deal you look after your partners to keep the commercial sensitivity to it. I’ll cop the brickbats if I need to.”

    V’landys said he has agreed to meet “sooner rather than later” with newly-appointed Nine boss Mike Sneesby, who beat other senior Nine executives to be Marks’ successor. Sneesby has been the chief executive of Nine’s streaming service Stan.


    https://www.theage.com.au/sport/nrl...ttled-this-year-v-landys-20210305-p57899.html
     

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