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2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

Perth Red

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Commissioner resigns over conflict of interest on next tv deal

commissioner Amanda Laing resigned from her position with the ARLC, with some of the opinion it will swing numbers favourably if V'landys decides against renewing his chief executive's tenure.

Despite V'landys previously stating he didn't believe it was a conflict to have Laing on the board due to her position as Foxtel's chief commercial officer, she stood down citing a potential conflict of interest ahead of upcoming broadcast rights negotiations.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/gr...act-to-arl-commissioners-20200311-p54966.html
 

Cactus

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Commissioner resigns over conflict of interest on next tv deal

commissioner Amanda Laing resigned from her position with the ARLC, with some of the opinion it will swing numbers favourably if V'landys decides against renewing his chief executive's tenure.

Despite V'landys previously stating he didn't believe it was a conflict to have Laing on the board due to her position as Foxtel's chief commercial officer, she stood down citing a potential conflict of interest ahead of upcoming broadcast rights negotiations.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/gr...act-to-arl-commissioners-20200311-p54966.html


How could it possibly be construed as anything but a conflict of interest.

No amount of sprouting the words "fiduciary responsibility" will quell the perception.
 

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well it makes for a very interesting next round of negotiations. a potential shut down and round 1 looked quite average ratings-wise. not the result the NRL was looking for.
 

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Steaming must be the main problem with the ratings. the AFL pre season was said to be down 20% and most of those games would have been played before all hells broke loose with this virus.
 

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well it makes for a very interesting next round of negotiations. a potential shut down and round 1 looked quite average ratings-wise. not the result the NRL was looking for.

As always, it will be less about ratings and more about competition between bidders.

Im expecting an overall uptick considering the ARLC are successfully diversifying viewers away from FOX. Last rights deal saw the ARLC trying to play PTV off against FTA (with mixed results).

I think the threat of streaming (either in-house through NRL Digital or through one of the streaming giants) is what will get a big deal for the NRL; Disney+/ESPN could use the rights as a way into the Aus market or the NRL could just use the threat of going in-house to scare FOX

Assuming they dont fcck it up.....
 

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As always, it will be less about ratings and more about competition between bidders.

Im expecting an overall uptick considering the ARLC are successfully diversifying viewers away from FOX. Last rights deal saw the ARLC trying to play PTV off against FTA (with mixed results).

I think the threat of streaming (either in-house through NRL Digital or through one of the streaming giants) is what will get a big deal for the NRL; Disney+/ESPN could use the rights as a way into the Aus market or the NRL could just use the threat of going in-house to scare FOX

Assuming they dont fcck it up.....
big assumption but fingers crossed. suppose we see what v'landys is made of in this round of negotiations. would rather have him than most.
 

tri_colours

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Fox will be a bit short on live sport over the next few months. By all reports there also struggling financially . I hope they remember who continued to provided them with live sport at the next tv rights deal
 

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Fox will be a bit short on live sport over the next few months. By all reports there also struggling financially . I hope they remember who continued to provided them with live sport at the next tv rights deal

mentioned on the finance thread but Fox is at great a risk of collapse as afl and nrl in this scenario. They have big assets behind them that can keep them going but if people start to turn off their subscriptions and switch to streaming then they are dead.
 

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We want a new deal: Channel Nine tells NRL it won't make its next payment
Channel Nine won't be making its quarterly broadcast payment to the NRL on April 1, but has outlined a desire to renegotiate its current rights deal to extend beyond 2022.

The Herald has been told by a source close to discussions that Nine's preference is to renegotiate its current deal and extend its broadcast partnership with the NRL in a revised organisational structure that would see the clubs play a major part in the running of the sport.

While Nine are happy to show NRL at any time of the year, there's a belief that rugby league over spring and summer would not rate as well as it has during the winter months, and therefore would be worth less to the broadcasters.

Almost every organisation in the country is now fighting for its survival, and the prospect of a year without rugby league, although undesirable, would allow the Nine Network to save in broadcast expenditure in 2020 to cover some of its predicted losses due to the impact of the coronavirus pandemic.

Foxtel, in particularly Fox Sports and Kayo, are far more reliant on the NRL, and a season without both rugby league and AFL could have major ramifications on the future of the businesses.

Both Nine and Fox are waiting for the NRL to come back with a proposal about how the season would be scheduled and what financial implications it would have on their current broadcast arrangement.

The NRL were hoping to have a decision from the RLPA in regards to what the players are willing to forego, however the players want more information in regards to the game's financial position - most of which depends on what the broadcasters decide.

Michael Chammas
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/we...-t-make-its-next-payment-20200326-p54ecv.html
 

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We want a new deal: Channel Nine tells NRL it won't make its next payment
Channel Nine won't be making its quarterly broadcast payment to the NRL on April 1, but has outlined a desire to renegotiate its current rights deal to extend beyond 2022.

The Herald has been told by a source close to discussions that Nine's preference is to renegotiate its current deal and extend its broadcast partnership with the NRL in a revised organisational structure that would see the clubs play a major part in the running of the sport.

While Nine are happy to show NRL at any time of the year, there's a belief that rugby league over spring and summer would not rate as well as it has during the winter months, and therefore would be worth less to the broadcasters.



Almost every organisation in the country is now fighting for its survival, and the prospect of a year without rugby league, although undesirable, would allow the Nine Network to save in broadcast expenditure in 2020 to cover some of its predicted losses due to the impact of the coronavirus pandemic.

Foxtel, in particularly Fox Sports and Kayo, are far more reliant on the NRL, and a season without both rugby league and AFL could have major ramifications on the future of the businesses.

Both Nine and Fox are waiting for the NRL to come back with a proposal about how the season would be scheduled and what financial implications it would have on their current broadcast arrangement.

The NRL were hoping to have a decision from the RLPA in regards to what the players are willing to forego, however the players want more information in regards to the game's financial position - most of which depends on what the broadcasters decide.

Michael Chammas
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/we...-t-make-its-next-payment-20200326-p54ecv.html

Maybe they need to look at selling off parts / or guaranteeing parts of the nest contract to C9/10 and getting an advance up front for doing so.


Just another thought. a one off (asterisk comp). Breaking the game into 2 pools . you play every one in your pool once and then go into the semis - the top 4 in each pool then go into the normal finals situation.

*assuming we get back by June/July.
 
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Perth Red

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I wonder how many subscribers nrl digital would need to get to ditch foxtel? Foxtel has around 460k subscribers. Presuming the nrl digital price point would be around $25 a month, plus production costs, be interesting to know what the business modelling looked like.
 
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With the NRL eyeing a return within the next six to eight weeks, the governing body is bracing itself for some robust negotiations with broadcasters in the coming weeks over whether the product is worth what they signed for.

The NRL will this week meet with Channel Nine, Fox Sports and Sky Sports (New Zealand) for talks. Both Channel Nine, the publisher of this masthead, and Fox Sports failed to make their quarterly broadcast payment on April 1.

The NRL has heard the rumblings – that it’s not great viewing without a crowd. Equally, the NRL will argue it has held up its end of the bargain and provided the content it promised in the contract. In the only round played behind closed doors, the overall numbers were down on round one – which was played with crowds. Channel Nine’s numbers were down but Fox experienced an increase from the previous week.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/sa...de-on-season-on-april-21-20200405-p54hal.html
 
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FTA, PTV, radio and print are dead.

NRL should take this hiccup as a chance to move long term to digital and streaming platforms. It might be short term pain for long term game.

This can even include a professional club, coach and player media code of conduct that gives the new platform (s) unfettered access to the game with an all of game understanding that players etc will share in revenue as long as they act professionally. If they want the $$$ gotta earn them...with financial ramifications for f**k ups...individually and towards the team.
 

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FTA, PTV, radio and print are dead.

NRL should take this hiccup as a chance to move long term to digital and streaming platforms. It might be short term pain for long term game.

This can even include a professional club, coach and player media code of conduct that gives the new platform (s) unfettered access to the game with an all of game understanding that players etc will share in revenue as long as they act professionally. If they want the $$$ gotta earn them...with financial ramifications for f**k ups...individually and towards the team.

Honestly, it would be better to transition from a position of strength, coming off a big contract with a good lead-in time to plan everything...

But, in business, take your opportunities when they come. If fox or 9 pull some shit in the resumption, it is definitely worth having an in-house production in the back pocket.
 

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In the same week that he reportedly engineered the removal of the only somewhat competent executive the National Rugby League had at it’s disposal, Peter V’Landys has reportedly agreed to a three-year extension for less money that the current deal with Channel 9 and Fox Sports.

V’Landys has seen a difficult short-term landscape where the NRL has to take on debt to survive – like literally every other organisation in the world – and taken the certainty of less money into the future in exchange for the broadcasters agreeing to do what they were contracted to do already.

It was not hard to see this coming.
The best reading of V’Landys’ deal is based on finding certainty at the expense of development or money. Extending now may make sense to maximise what may be a more difficult market as regular pathways to watching change. Get the broadcasters committed over the next six years, allow them to prove they can expand the market for the game while the world changes.

It makes a degree of sense if they maintain control of the digital arm of the game. If NRL uses the digital rights smartly, then an extra three years is perhaps a strategic nod to the idea that terrestrial television might not exist long beyond that, and they need to get as much of that money now, while supporting Channel 9 and Fox’s medium-term viability, and a commitment to supporting the game by taking a little less from them.

That rose-coloured view doesn’t account for the market that currently exists for rugby league and that is likely to exist in the near future. However it is presented, rugby league is the biggest thing on television. The State of Origin and the grand final are always among the top 5 highest rating shows on television. Not in sports, but in everything. If it can find a way to squeeze more advertising into the game (cricket has an ad every 3 minutes, AFL every time someone kicks goal…hello quarters?) then rugby league is essentially the biggest deal on TV. Even as regular television is phased out, demand for live sport is hardly likely to cease to exist. Whatever market exists for it in nearly six years time is going to be set relative to the existing one, and however you want to paint it, V’Landys just lowered it.
It also seems naive to me to think that Channel 9 is capable of promoting the game and expanding it’s influence. The company is a week away from taking an unprecedented (and inaccurate) attack on the NRL. That’s not how you help build a product. Expecting it to expand the reach of the game is a stretch when you consider it’s only a few years since Friday games were not shown live to fit in Don f**king Burke. In critical expansion markets channel 9 begrudgingly shows NRL on its outer channels, and dumps games as soon as they end. It has by my count the same amount of AFL shows on its network as NRL shows, despite only having the rights to one of those. You can almost guarantee this means an extra Queensland team in the next rights deal, but similarly say goodbye to any idea of expansion beyond league’s current boundaries.

Was there another option? Of course. There was no pressure to do a deal now. Channel 9 may have blustered about not showing league, but were hardly going to sacrifice having something to put on television because of their faux-outrage over how the NRL was administered (at less cost as a percentage of revenue than Cricket Australia, and probably Channel 9). While seeing out the current deal the NRL could have actually done their due-diligence and found out what the value of the competition was on the open market. Given Channel 7 had already expressed interest, Fox’s survival depends on getting NRL rights, and Channel 10 put together an offer that was broadly equivalent to Channel 9’s during the last negotiation, it’s hard for me to believe no other pathway was available, now or in the future. This doesn’t even account for streaming platforms like Netflix, Amazon and the like that would salivate over the opportunity to get involved in providing live sport in the near future. It’s hard for me to think that this was the the best combination of value for the league. But the NRL took it as soon as it was offered.

Now we’re stuck with a broadcaster over the long-term that held league over a barrel when it suited them. A broadcaster that claimed NRL HQ was more interested in getting involved in the politics of the NRL than actually building an institutional partnership. A broadcaster that has in the past stood in the way of development of rugby league at the expense of gardening. This is the future V’Landys chose for us.
https://nospam48.wordpress.com/2020/04/22/vlandys-deals-early/
 

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V'landys F#$%n idiot.

Criticism of him is he fails to see the big picture..........well guess what.

What's Dave Smith's number?
 

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I am really concerned at how all this is going.

Choosing to go legal is usually the last thing one would want to do but at the moment somehow it looks to be a decent option.
 

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Hardly surprised at the outcome.The NRL got 20 rounds which they and the clubs wanted and no doubt sponsors and fans and at least income certainty (yes a lesser amount) for a further couple of years, and in return the TV stations had to get some sort of positive outcome.
Do I love the idea hell no, but the cards dealt by both sides had SFA aces in the pack.
I would have loved to have rammed, a jockstrap down Mark'\s cakehole, the way he bagged Head Office.

Look I have zero time for ch9, but to suggest there was no urgency to do a deal at this time, when both 9 and Fox are hardly financial lumps of granite, and just about every sport in this country wants some sort of security.We have SFA security ,and if we'd have had $200m in a future fund,I'm sure we could have played harder ball.
IMO FTA and Pay TV are going to be also rans in the next few years anyway, if current trends and technology continues along the path it has.

In all honesty I don't know what Smith could have done in the current environment, tell 9 to get knotted and just have Fox doing all the games? That leaves FTA open to fumble ball with no NRL.Nine saves $130m this year-and their shareholders are happy.
Or 9 agree to a shorter season, which gets everyone in the NRL offside,Tv deals are worth even less, and more clubs are up financial sh*t street, sponsors want to pay less for less exposure as the Sharks are finding out now.
It appears everyone in addition to the sporting spheres ,are going to have to adjust their budgets,and slash costs.
"Stuck with a broadcaster", like there are other FTA ones in a better position.Ch7 has $500m plus owing, ch10 who I thought would get CBS support ,continues with crappy el cheapo programs, you could direct in your lounge room.The yahoo days (flash the cash)of the mid 90s to 2010 are over red rover.Fox is losing subs ATM hand over foot.Competitive tension is nowhere near what it was years ago.


What I don't know:
1) Does this mean we get expansion in 2023?
2) Do clubs retain their $13m grants or has that been shaved?
3) Has ch9 agreed to actually promote the NRL instead of their just tacit almost hidden support?
4) What sort of guarantees are in place to back the NRL, if both or either ch9 /Fox get into real financial quagmire?
5) What position did Fox take on the season and the extension?Naturally forking out less would suit.If 9 took less, so would they.
6) Will ch9 actually show NRL games interstate live and not cut off early for major rl events?
7) Did Vlad give away more than he received ?
8) As we have a drop in broadcasting income, where does Vlad intend to at least make up the shortfall?
9) No with this done deal, what happens with the Pommy Loan, not needed or for a much shorter period?
 

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1) Does this mean we get expansion in 2023?
2) Do clubs retain their $13m grants or has that been shaved?
3) Has ch9 agreed to actually promote the NRL instead of their just tacit almost hidden support?
4) What sort of guarantees are in place to back the NRL, if both or either ch9 /Fox get into real financial quagmire?
5) What position did Fox take on the season and the extension?Naturally forking out less would suit.If 9 took less, so would they.
6) Will ch9 actually show NRL games interstate live and not cut off early for major rl events?
7) Did Vlad give away more than he received ?
8) As we have a drop in broadcasting income, where does Vlad intend to at least make up the shortfall?
9) No with this done deal, what happens with the Pommy Loan, not needed or for a much shorter period?

1. I would be highly surprised.
2. Shaved this year and probably next as well. The talk is it will not be $13m again for a very long time.
3. Who knows what 9 will do. They are all over the shop. They can expected to promote matches they televise, that's all I'd count on from them.
4. Don't know. You'd think they'd have bank guarantees and such.
5. My understanding is they wanted the full 24 rounds.
6. You'll have to ask them that. They'll show whatever they think gets them the most ratings.
7. I think he's done well with a scattergun partner but others may differ.
8. I'd expect players will receive less this year, and it looks likely the head office will be trimmed down too.
9. Suspect they need it anyway, and they're not back on the field yet. Anything could happen.
 

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