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2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

taipan

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1. I would be highly surprised.
2. Shaved this year and probably next as well. The talk is it will not be $13m again for a very long time.
3. Who knows what 9 will do. They are all over the shop. They can expected to promote matches they televise, that's all I'd count on from them.
4. Don't know. You'd think they'd have bank guarantees and such.
5. My understanding is they wanted the full 24 rounds.
6. You'll have to ask them that. They'll show whatever they think gets them the most ratings.
7. I think he's done well with a scattergun partner but others may differ.
8. I'd expect players will receive less this year, and it looks likely the head office will be trimmed down too.
9. Suspect they need it anyway, and they're not back on the field yet. Anything could happen.

Fair enough.
It's reasonable to suggest the next player that stuffs up the isolation rules , is going to cost the code big time, and I mean big time.The Govt will step in and say no way ,can we trust the code to self isolate ,with morons continuing on as they are.And 28th May will no longer be a fact.
 

Perth Red

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I’m surprised there has been no leaks of any concessions nrl has had to make to get Ch9 over the line for the rest of this year. I’d have thought we’d have seen some news seep out to appease Ch9 shareholders by now if they had managed to get any of the things they wanted for next two years and an extension.
Unless it was same value as this deal I see no value in an extension, end of day nrl is the most valuable product on tv and Ch9 need it so not like they aren’t going to bid for 2023-. To accept less money and not go to an open tender reeks of little faith in your product.
 

taipan

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One of the papers (didn't have access) but the headline had V'landy saying a 2nd Brisbane team was still planned,

Notice on the Brisbane Bombers website:2 recent stories


www.brisbanebombers.com.au

26th April
NRL: Second Qld team still on agenda.



29th April
Bombers welcome commitment to 17th team.

If V'landys gets another Brisbane side inmate least he has shown ,he is not BS.
 

Perth Red

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Interesting, not seen the game value broken down like this before, being a Ch9 paper you would presume its accurate.

THE BREAKDOWN: CHANNEL NINE'S 2020 NRL BROADCAST DEAL
  • Total broadcast deal: $118 million ($10 million already paid as part of loan in 2018)
  • Regular season value: $80.24m (68 per cent)
  • Per round (3 games): $3.34m
  • Per game (total 72 games): $1.11m
  • Finals and Origin value: $37.76m (32 per cent)
  • Already paid: $38.5m
  • Remaining: $79.5m
  • What Nine intends to pay: $51.5m
  • 2020 intended saving: $28m
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nr...roadcasters-eye-discount-20200429-p54oe5.html
 

Cactus

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An anonymous source at the NRL stated "we INTEND to re-read the contract" and then we "INTEND to seek the maximum payment from 9 to the maximum extent possible that the contract allows"
 

taipan

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WTF.Today ____Nine targets NRL digital arm as part of revised broadcast deal. Blocked on SMH Pay wall.
Got details anyway,ve have vays.Some info.

"The proposal nullifies the potential competition ,but also gives Nine access to the NRL's 1.6 million account holders and the largest social media footprint (5 million people) of any sport in the country.
The NRL's 70-person strong digital department is one area Nine has targeted.It believe it can operate the websites and apps of the 16 clubs, the two states and the governing body under a more cost efficient
model, while also providing content through its Wide World of Sports production empire.
Marks has put the argument to V'Landys that if the broadcast deal is not significantly reduced, the network will not be in a position to bid for future rugby league rights."

I suggest the NRL say to Marks, if anything we will be inserting the full length of our digital arm, right up your where the sun don't shine.
Talk a about, I want cake and eat it routine by this reneging ch9.
 

Perth Red

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So far Ch9 has demanded massive things in its favour, all to the detriment of nrl, with nothing in its favour. I know they say there’s no harm in asking but seriously lol

1. pay less on an existing contract
2. Extend this new lower contract without any open process
3. Take over digital that makes money for nrl and is its future of broadcasting
4. Sack ceo (ok they got this one as Vlandys wanted him gone anyway)
5. Demand to see the nrl’s books
6. Demands how the game should spend its money
7. Demands expenditure cuts by the nrl
8. Take away simucast and a Friday night game for fox lowering the tv value from pay tv to nrl

two words for you Marks, Get F....d!
 

magpie_man

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WTF.Today ____Nine targets NRL digital arm as part of revised broadcast deal. Blocked on SMH Pay wall.
Got details anyway,ve have vays.Some info.

"The proposal nullifies the potential competition ,but also gives Nine access to the NRL's 1.6 million account holders and the largest social media footprint (5 million people) of any sport in the country.
The NRL's 70-person strong digital department is one area Nine has targeted.It believe it can operate the websites and apps of the 16 clubs, the two states and the governing body under a more cost efficient
model, while also providing content through its Wide World of Sports production empire.
Marks has put the argument to V'Landys that if the broadcast deal is not significantly reduced, the network will not be in a position to bid for future rugby league rights."

I suggest the NRL say to Marks, if anything we will be inserting the full length of our digital arm, right up your where the sun don't shine.
Talk a about, I want cake and eat it routine by this reneging ch9.

Fair dinkum, the hide of Nein. This is Vlad's Stalingrad.
Imagine 9 running NRL Digital: weekly fan farting contests, live streams of Fatty getting his bumhole waxed, exclusives of player's favourite KFC combos, Freddy and Joey blooper reel...
A race to the bottom.
 

taipan

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Fair dinkum, the hide of Nein. This is Vlad's Stalingrad.
Imagine 9 running NRL Digital: weekly fan farting contests, live streams of Fatty getting his bumhole waxed, exclusives of player's favourite KFC combos, Freddy and Joey blooper reel...
A race to the bottom.


Nein are now, apart from being a media company:
1) An auditor of company accounts.
2) An investment adviser to all the NRL clubs and their players.
3) Judge and jury in having NRL executives removed from office.
4)Company takeover merchants, wanting a profitable slice of a not for profit organisation.
5) A special ability to renege on contracts, they consider expensive, at a time that suits .
6) The inability to check their own backyard where high paying non performing personalities are bleeding their coffers.
7) The employer of yes men in both the electronic and print media,who follow head office's instructions in almost Goebbel like fashion, seemingly from the same hymn sheet, pot shots at the NRL.
 
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Channel 9 needs to save $130m to pay for NRL broadcast rights
After telling the ASX that Channel 9 would save $130 million by not broadcasting NRL games this year, CEO Hugh Marks is looking for $130 million in cuts following news that the rugby league season is set to resume later this month, writes Annette Sharp.

Annette Sharp, The Sunday Telegraph
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May 3, 2020 8:25am

Nine media bosses are poised to drop an axe on the network’s news division, with insiders predicting 60 Minutes will bear the brunt of severe cuts that must now be made to support CEO Hugh Marks’ recent advice to the stock exchange.

Having boldly informed the ASX on March 30 that the network would save $130 million by not paying broadcasting rights for NRL games during the 2020 calendar year, Marks is preparing to make $130 million in cuts across the business following news that the rugby league season is set to resume later this month.

Television insiders expect almost a quarter of the cuts to come from Nine’s costly news division, and believe jobs will go in both the television and publishing ranks as the CEO trims the $180 million news budget by as much as $30 million to $40 million.

At 60 Minutes, where stalwart reporters such as Liz Hayes are on salaries of more than $500,000 a year, there are concerns the show may not survive, or at least not in a format that audiences now recognise.

“60 Minutes’ budget is around $20 million a year. It’s an obvious place to start, with the program slipping in the ratings and failing to hold on to the leads given it by shows like Lego Masters,” the insider said.

Since making the statement on March 30, Nine’s share price — in a COVID-19 suppressed market — has lifted from $1.05 to $1.42 before falling back to $1.37 during a month in which no other announcements were made by Nine.

If Nine can’t find savings in other areas, it must reverse or correct its ASX guidance to the market, which now seems unlikely.
 
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Channel 9 needs to save $130m to pay for NRL broadcast rights
After telling the ASX that Channel 9 would save $130 million by not broadcasting NRL games this year, CEO Hugh Marks is looking for $130 million in cuts following news that the rugby league season is set to resume later this month, writes Annette Sharp.

Annette Sharp, The Sunday Telegraph
Subscriber only
|
May 3, 2020 8:25am

Nine media bosses are poised to drop an axe on the network’s news division, with insiders predicting 60 Minutes will bear the brunt of severe cuts that must now be made to support CEO Hugh Marks’ recent advice to the stock exchange.

Having boldly informed the ASX on March 30 that the network would save $130 million by not paying broadcasting rights for NRL games during the 2020 calendar year, Marks is preparing to make $130 million in cuts across the business following news that the rugby league season is set to resume later this month.

Television insiders expect almost a quarter of the cuts to come from Nine’s costly news division, and believe jobs will go in both the television and publishing ranks as the CEO trims the $180 million news budget by as much as $30 million to $40 million.

At 60 Minutes, where stalwart reporters such as Liz Hayes are on salaries of more than $500,000 a year, there are concerns the show may not survive, or at least not in a format that audiences now recognise.

“60 Minutes’ budget is around $20 million a year. It’s an obvious place to start, with the program slipping in the ratings and failing to hold on to the leads given it by shows like Lego Masters,” the insider said.

Since making the statement on March 30, Nine’s share price — in a COVID-19 suppressed market — has lifted from $1.05 to $1.42 before falling back to $1.37 during a month in which no other announcements were made by Nine.

If Nine can’t find savings in other areas, it must reverse or correct its ASX guidance to the market, which now seems unlikely.
Get rid off Karl and the losers from the Today, give Pirate Pete the flick, send Gus Could to the tip, Chuck all the tramps from Nine Honey in the skip bin.... And bam! You got cash
 

colly

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Two-billion-dollar asset': Don't sell digital arm, Grant warns NRL
Roy Masters
May 4, 2020 — 12.01am
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Social distancing in order to kill off COVID-19 is short-term pain for long-term gain. Selling NRL.com is the reverse.

The Herald reported on Saturday that Nine Entertainment Co, the NRL’s free-to-air broadcaster, is interested in acquiring the NRL’s digital arm as part of a strategy to lower costs and renegotiate the existing broadcast deal.




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Should ARLC chair Peter V’landys agree to the acquisition, it would represent a short-term gain for the NRL and its greedy clubs but long-term pain for the code.

Nine’s strategy would be to relieve V’landys of the costs of the NRL’s digital arm, probably for a zero acquisition fee, while raking in its future revenue.

Yet one of the key reasons former ARLC chair John Grant and his board invested $150m over six years in the NRL’s digital arm was to create an asset that could potentially stream games direct to subscribers and create competitive tension over broadcast fees with its traditional media partners, Foxtel and Nine.

The COVID-19 pandemic has weakened all the broadcasters and sporting codes but content is still king. No free-to-air network in Australia can be No.1 without NRL or AFL.

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The 2020 NRL season launch in March.

Despite the NRL exhausting all its reserves and discounting player salaries for 2020 as a result of COVID-19, it is probably in a stronger position with the networks than at any previous time.

In fact, it’s possibly in a more powerful bargaining position than the AFL, whose free-to-air broadcaster, Channel Seven, needs the support of owner Kerry Stokes, just as its pay TV partner, Foxtel, requires the financial backing of News Corporation.

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Foxtel is also the NRL’s pay TV partner but Nine, owner of this masthead, has a stronger balance sheet.

The challenge for the networks is that advertising is way down as a result of the pandemic and, with no major sport, subscribers are cancelling Foxtel and Kayo.

In New Zealand, the NRL broadcaster is the listed SKY NZ. It was once the most profitable broadcaster by margin in the world. Today, it has a market cap of $61m, signed a dud deal with NZ rugby and is leaking subscribers.

But NRL is not a dud sport in Australia. Nine can boast that four of the top five programs nationally and annually are rugby league, yet now complains it costs too much to buy the rights and produce the games. It anticipates empty stadia will cause a fall in TV audiences.

Nine’s attack last month on the NRL’s “bloated” administration cost structure may well have been a ploy to relieve V’landys of the expense of employing 70 staff in the NRL’s digital arm in exchange for acquiring a potentially valuable property.

Grant was always confident NRL.com could be worth $1 billion and hasn’t changed his position. In fact, it’s the only issue that will draw him into making a comment.

He argues that NRL.com is an extension of the strategy that started in 2012 with the removal of Fox Sports and Nine’s first and last rights over broadcast through until 2027. This, he says, returned sovereignty to future rights negotiations and, as the Australian viewing audience becomes more wedded to streaming, a global provider may offer the seed capital to fund NRL.com to a point where it streams games, such as the Junior Kangaroos versus France match on its website last year.

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Former ARLC chair John Grant lost his job over the $150 million funding of NRL Digital, which put clubs offside.Credit:Lisa Maree Williams

Grant calculates that if the NRL converted half its existing 1.6 million digital customers into $25-per-month subscribers, and had a free-to-air broadcaster pay a fair but lesser price than Nine pays now - plus monetises other available revenue streams - it could produce annual revenue of over $360m with advertising offsetting production costs.

“That’s almost $2b over five years, and any asset capable of generating this sort of cashflow is a very valuable asset,” Grant said.

“Also, the NRL is in a good position to start with a restructure of the costs in the game. Right now, the ARL Commission has a very big decision to make. To sell or not to sell NRL.com! I just hope that before the die is cast, the good people on the commission, led by what has, to date, been a very capable and strong Peter V'landys, do the numbers and make the right decision for the game’s future. The opportunity to retain sovereignty over this future and to redefine the game’s cost structure and its relationship with the media is very enticing.”

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But Nine clearly want exclusivity of product and acquiring Nrl.com is the cheapest first step. Nine will also want to release the network from its simulcast arrangement with Foxtel, where Nine’s 7.30pm Friday viewership is undermined by Foxtel subscribers staying with the network at the conclusion of the 6pm game.

Advertising revenue is split among the multiple platforms on which NRL viewers can watch games: Nine’s two channels, Foxtel’s three and NRL.com in partnership with Telstra.

The NRL’s Annual Report points out that its digital arm has been developed and run in partnership with Telstra, the NRL’s sponsor.

Telstra own 35 per cent of Foxtel who would also be interested in acquiring NRL.com. The Australian-owned telco, which has been ignored in the media coverage of V’landys' battles with broadcasters, would have something to say on Nine owning NRL.com.
 

Starkers

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It has somehow turned from the broadcasters ganging up on the NRL to bashing each other. Break out the popcorn.
 

colly

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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/no...k-away-from-rugby-league-20200505-p54q1t.html

"Nine Entertainment Co chief executive Hugh Marks has heaped pressure on the NRL to significantly reduce its broadcast rights fee, expressing a willingness to walk away from the sport if he doesn't get the right deal."

Go f**k yourself. If this is how you hold negations, threatening to rip up contracts- well their is a place (Courts) and a time (when you fail to fulfill your contractual obligations) Somehow I think the NRL is in the stronger position.

So not only he wants a reduction of this year ( maybe that's fair enough) however he ,Marks wants to renegotiated OR more correctly void the last two years of the contract. This is outrageous. If this plays out over a longer period of time ie into next year payments take it off them make a advantageous deal with Ten and litigate for the difference between Tens and Nines contractual obligation with bonus on top!
Not that i am expert on law but get that beak Brett Walker he will f**k them over big time.
Regarding the digital arm words fail me. Where does Marks gets off, trying to steal digital arm of NRL.
Call the police report a robbery.
 
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Nine Entertainment Co chief executive Hugh Marks has heaped pressure on the NRL to significantly reduce its broadcast rights fee, expressing a willingness to walk away from the sport if he doesn't get the right deal.

The NRL and its two broadcast partners, Foxtel and Channel Nine, remain at loggerheads over the value of the sport - both in a reduced 2020 season and going forward into future years.

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Nine Entertainment Co chief executive Hugh Marks.CREDIT:LOUIE DOUVIS

Marks, speaking with analysts and investors as part of the Macquarie Australia Conference 2020 on Tuesday afternoon, provided an insight into Nine's hard-nosed approach and gave the strongest indication yet the network could relinquish its rights to rugby league.

"It's not a given that NRL has to be part of our future," Marks said on the conference. "It has to just pay its way like all of our content does, and if it doesn't, well ... again, we are less reliant on that as a revenue source.”

Marks has reiterated his concerns to ARLC chairman Peter V'landys in recent negotiations, with the Herald last week reporting that Nine want to pay $28 million less than the $118 million they were due to pay in 2020.



Marks also confirmed Nine was interested in taking over the NRL's digital arm, which it believes runs in competition with the network. There is a frustration from the two broadcasters, who were this year meant to inject about $320m into the game, that their investment is being used to prop up a potential bidder for future NRL rights.

"The rationale was you're spending a lot of money in the NRL on your own digital team, but we've got a digital team and Fox Sports has a digital team," Marks said.

"Surely it would be better if we just relied on what the broadcasters were already doing rather than going into competition and creating a whole other cost base on top of what already exists. We know what the NRL needs, which is a direct communication with their fan base.


"That can be facilitated through Nine and through Fox Sports and by us sort of supporting the nrl.com website. We can do that a lot more cost effectively than they can. For us, it's about saying, 'Here's one opportunity for you to reduce your cost base and make the sport more sustainable for the long term'."

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/nrl...ml?ref=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_source=rss_feed
 
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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/no...k-away-from-rugby-league-20200505-p54q1t.html

"Nine Entertainment Co chief executive Hugh Marks has heaped pressure on the NRL to significantly reduce its broadcast rights fee, expressing a willingness to walk away from the sport if he doesn't get the right deal."

Go f**k yourself. If this is how you hold negations, threatening to rip up contracts- well their is a place (Courts) and a time (when you fail to fulfill your contractual obligations) Somehow I think the NRL is in the stronger position.

So not only he wants a reduction of this year ( maybe that's fair enough) however he ,Marks wants to renegotiated OR more correctly void the last two years of the contract. This is outrageous. If this plays out over a longer period of time ie into next year payments take it off them make a advantageous deal with Ten and litigate for the difference between Tens and Nines contractual obligation with bonus on top!
Not that i am expert on law but get that beak Brett Walker he will f**k them over big time.
Regarding the digital arm words fail me. Where does Marks gets off, trying to steal digital arm of NRL.
Call the police report a robbery.
good we don't need Nein!!!
 

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