2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

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The AFL got an incredible deal and it clearly is more then the current NRL deal.

But not having a FTA game on Sat night for a chunk of the season, and more Thu games is a big change to what Melbourne fans are used to and will cause some negative press when it commences in 2025.

For mine its worth it given the extra $$$ secured, but I'm not sure all AFL fans who are used to free games on TV on a Sat night will think so, not to mention the impact on pubs and clubs etc.

A couple of weeks ago I saw Victorians in the comments section of an article threatening to stop watching the game if Saturday games were exclusive to Foxtel. It'll be interesting to see if they follow through with their threat.

 

[Perth Red]

Here’s another thought, we know the last tv deal was only a cash increase of around $30million. Dolphins are going to cost the nrl the grant which is likely to be around $14mill next year. That will be an extra $1million a club or $18million extra expensive for the nrl A year.
Add in the dolphins grant and the extra expense for clubs next year will be $32 million, or $2million more than the tv grant increase!
We are so fcked!

 

[Iamback]

Links for what? we know the afl deal is $4.5bill of which $4bill plus is cash.
we don’t know the splits but there seems to be an assumption by everyone that telstra is staying at $50mill A year so we can take that out of the $4.5bill. Which leaves $4.15bill. How much of that is contra is unknown.in the last deal it was $16mill ayear. Safe to say in this one it will be significantly more. Will it be more than $40mill a year? Unlikely. That takes it to around $550mill a year cash without telstra, which also links back to the $3.85billion figure that has been mentioned in Number of articles.

undertand or are you still too stupid?

Correct we don't know the split. Yet you know exactly what is the cash and the contra split is?

f**ken genuis you are

I did the breakdown as best we have earlier with links. You say that is wrong yet have no links to prove so nor to verify your claims with confirming the cash amount

 

[Idris 84]

I don't think the NRL would be willing to walk away from news ltd. The AFL weren't even willing to do that. All of a sudden you'd see all your local and national news coverage of the game shrink. Rupert has done it previously to other sports. Whilst paramount might put in a decent offer, will 9 and foxtel (who seem to work together to get a lower price these days) even believe it and cough up? I don't think Stan will go against foxtel for NRL rights and who's you say paramount will even have a presence in Australia come 2028, they were banking on the AFL rights, 6 years with few customers is a long time to wait.

In saying all this it's likely a new streaming company will come along in that time, let's just hope Vlandy's and his big mouth have retired by then.

 

[Perth Red]

Correct we don't know the split. Yet you know exactly what is the cash and the contra split is?

f**ken genuis you are

I did the breakdown as best we have earlier with links. You say that is wrong yet have no links to prove so nor to verify your claims with confirming the cash amount

Don’t be a cock. No one knows exactly the split for afl deal or is claiming to. That’s not to say it’s impossible to make educated guesses, a concept i can see why you would have problems understanding! So far my educated guesses have proved to be pretty accurate.

afl has said the total deal is over $4billion cash. Keep ignoring what evidence we do have all you like, your just among yourself look a Tit.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I don't think the NRL would be willing to walk away from news ltd. The AFL weren't even willing to do that. All of a sudden you'd see all your local and national news coverage of the game shrink. Rupert has done it previously to other sports. Whilst paramount might put in a decent offer, will 9 and foxtel (who seem to work together to get a lower price these days) even believe it and cough up? I don't think Stan will go against foxtel for NRL rights and who's you say paramount will even have a presence in Australia come 2028, they were banking on the AFL rights, 6 years with few customers is a long time to wait.

In saying all this it's likely a new streaming company will come along in that time, let's just hope Vlandy's and his big mouth have retired by then.

I'm interested to see what happens with the cricket. Ch7 hate it and Ch10/Paramount+ need it. Ch9 don't want it.

 

[mongoose]

Reading through all these posts is depressing.

What's more alarming is the gulf in membership numbers between the two codes.

For 2022
AFL has 1.2M members
NRL has 294K members

Let's say the average cost of membership is $300
AFL generates 360M annually
NRL generates 90M annually

That's 270M difference every year. If you add the gulf in TV rights, sponsorships etc... You're looking at easily half a billion dollars more circulating in the AFL compared to NRL.

disappointing outcome but its just money. They will never be able to buy a proper International game. There is a lot going for RL, it just needs to have some ambition and a strategy. League can become the main sport throughout Oceania and people in the AFL states will take notice. The NRL needs to promote touch/oztag heavily, they should have complete ownership of these variations if they don't already. The NRL needs to start thinking like the AFL but it doesn't need to copy them or even match them, just play to its own strengths and then promote the things that it has that AFL doesn't. Hopefully we see an announcement in the next 12-18 months of an 18th team in Perth or NZ 2, that will show AFL that NRL has plans and faith in its product and its not going away.

The doom and gloom in this thread has been a bit over the top....

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

disappointing outcome but its just money. They will never be able to buy a proper International game. There is a lot going for RL, it just needs to have some ambition and a strategy. League can become the main sport throughout Oceania and people in the AFL states will take notice. The NRL needs to promote touch/oztag heavily, they should have complete ownership of these variations if they don't already. The NRL needs to start thinking like the AFL but it doesn't need to copy them or even match them, just play to its own strengths and then promote the things that it has that AFL doesn't. Hopefully we see an announcement in the next 12-18 months of an 18th team in Perth or NZ 2, that will show AFL that NRL has plans and faith in its product and its not going away.

The doom and gloom in this thread has been a bit over the top....

Do you think AwFuL will use some of their money to form stronger relationships with schools in Queensland and NSW?

If they use it to build state of the art facilities at schools, such as new change rooms and provide fumbleball posts on the school oval in exchange for rugby league being taken out of the curriculum and replaced with fumbleball then there are schools who will accept it. If that happens across Queensland and NSW then it'll have disastrous ramifications on rugby league.

 

[baselinepanther]

I think you owe PR an apology. For ages you have been potting the bloke and yesterday proved he was right all along and you were wrong. Still can't admit it though, hilarious

All he proved is hes a PVL hating RL Hating , ..moaning ..soap dodging tosser

but he didn't need to prove that
we all knew it anyway

 

[Nerd]

While all good points, the level of invest to catch up will be massive. Even with new markets (if they ever do it), we're entering into a period with technology, entertainment options and other mediums (metaverse etc) rapidly disrupting the norm. Establishing a new market in say WA will take twice as long, twice as much money for maybe half the result by the time of the next deal. AFL is cashed up, have assets and long term governance and determination to maybe see it through. I say maybe because nothing is certain with sports interest. Just look at how quickly cricket has waned despite truly being our national sport.

We have to start somewhere. I believe junior Rugby League is going ok in Perth and the Western Reds were gaining supporters before they were cut after Superleague so possibly not as big a mountain to climb as you think.

What's the alternative? Rolling over and doing nothing. The only positive out of this whole sorry saga is that Gillon is leaving the AFL at the end of the year and hears hoping they end up with a less competent CEO.

 

[baselinepanther]

The reasons for that are nothing to do with anything PVL did (AFL has teams in five states and had to relocate and house over 1000 people interstate during each season, not just the Warriors like NRL did) .

Unless he orchestrated Victoria’s lockdowns and WA’s closed borders? Is there nothing he can’t do!

funny

im pretty sure QLD NSW & the ACT went through a pandemic too

I could be wrong tho
hang on..
yea just checked
we had lockdowns too

football fan loving tosser alert

 

[baselinepanther]

seriously these fumblers are ......... beyond stupid

 

[Nerd]

Here’s another thought, we know the last tv deal was only a cash increase of around $30million. Dolphins are going to cost the nrl the grant which is likely to be around $14mill next year. That will be an extra $1million a club or $18million extra expensive for the nrl A year.
Add in the dolphins grant and the extra expense for clubs next year will be $32 million, or $2million more than the tv grant increase!
We are so fcked!

Your being a touch negative and what's your alternative? Roll over and do nothing? I already see cars driving around Brisbane with Dolphins stickers on the back window and a few of my work associates have become Dolphins members in the last few months so I believe people underestimate the support they will have. This support will also drag people away from the Lions, Reds, Roar etc as well.

I also thought that the NRL had already costed in the Dolphins and all was good? The AFL have again outdone us on their next TV deal but we still have a great product that in my opinion shits on their abortion of a game.

 

[parrawentyfan]

Disney owns ESPN. Would be cool if they throw their hat in the ring. Be interesting to see if they ever add a sports element to Disney +.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Probably better if this thread went into the AFL forum with Perth Dred as moderator.

 

[Canard]

Communications minister, opposition lash anti-siphoning laws after AFL rights deal signed

A day after the AFL landed a $4.5 billion TV rights deal, Michelle Rowland and her opposition counterpart Sarah Henderson want the broadcast rights laws reviewed.

www.theage.com.au

 

[The_Wookie]

Reading through all these posts is depressing.

What's more alarming is the gulf in membership numbers between the two codes.

For 2022
AFL has 1.2M members
NRL has 294K members

Let's say the average cost of membership is $300
AFL generates 360M annually
NRL generates 90M annually

That's 270M difference every year. If you add the gulf in TV rights, sponsorships etc... You're looking at easily half a billion dollars more circulating in the AFL compared to NRL.

Last year club membership/gate takings was 280m. In 2019 it was 330m. This doesnt include additional revenue from 50,000 AFL members, or 5,000 Marvel Stadium members.

 

[Colk]

Where are your links?

You fail to prove it though so I ask someone else because you are too stupid to provide something that should be easy.

Weren’t you the one who posted that article from Code? The figure was $550m plus contra. Even then if you want to dispute that, the final figure of $640 odd million, would suggest that the cash amount would be well in the 500’s

 

[Starkers]

Have to hand it to the AFL, incredibly good deal. Foxtel are paying on potential to some extent though, with a clear targeting of SA/WA households for take up on STB or Kayo. The only problem with that strategy is it might drive fans back to their local leagues in those states which are still strong. But generally speaking Foxtel wins out over the long term. It always does, and they have until 2031 to do it.

I think it's smart to deal away in that length of time. It's so far ahead the NRL's deal that they can absorb any catch up if that happens. Moving Nth Melbourne to Tassie would be the ideal outcome, with a 19th franchise less ideal money wise but they can afford it now.

I am the biggest NRL bull on tv rights but I can't see them eclipsing this. But it's not just the NRL that should be worried, the impact on other sports to compete against this firepower is almost non-existent, union, soccer, netball and a few others. Cricket might even be vulnerable too unless they get their issues with Ch7 sorted.

 

[Iamback]

Weren’t you the one who posted that article from Code? The figure was $550m plus contra. Even then if you want to dispute that, the final figure of $640 odd million, would suggest that the cash amount would be well in the 500’s

No it said $550m cash and contra = $3.85b
Telstra was $50m a year in the old deal = $350m should this be included is for debate. But I will leave it here for this discussion

There is $4.2billion there
The extra is likely this from the Gills statement on the AFL website

• Through this new deal Telstra will be building on their investment into Marvel Stadium and extending into innovation and our digital offerings through the AFL / AFLW apps and all 18 clubs’ websites.

They have chosen to include Telstra which is fine but in comparing the 2 deals. It is

FTA
Pay TV payment

That is it, We only know the cash/Contra split of Channel 9.
So you can't say who is getting what cash because the split is unknown. So hence why I asked for the links to the cash and contra split Given that f**kwit for the West is so adament it shouldn't be too hard to produce.