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2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

colly

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Actually you pinpointed something else inadvertently. He thinks 2027 is two years away - if he is so bad about details and numbers I wonder why we couldn’t get a good deal
Not to worry .....

In the year 2023 we have the winner in the Broadcaster FTA and Pay TV. This competition is to start in only 3 months time...
Lets see who wins ... The envelope please........

The NRL takes out the Free To Air (FTA) categorie for the most dollars paid by FTA broadcasters for the two years 2023 ANNND 2024 by over $16 million dollars p/a .....

NRL is the winner on $162m
yearly with Nine ( $130m) and Sky NZ ( $32m ) broadcasters for a total of $162 million dollars. ( After all this what the thread is about, it's named so) ie 'Next tv deal discussion'
The AFL FTA amounts were only $146 yearly for the Seven Network for the years 2023-2024
You weren't expecting that were you?

So after taking out the FTA Broadcast stakes what happened on the pay TV front. Well no one including the AFL publicly released the information. Reasonable guess work has the NRL Foxtel over $240m which matches the AFL I guess for the two years 2023-2024.

I tried of games- measure the FTA and PAY Tv broadcasters...
So the NRL has a clear win in FTA TV stakes for the next two years... Rejoice We win for the next two years, yah...
At around 2025 the AFL looks like it may be on top then, in 2025, However pick from Internationals and other Nations or areas not from NZ, might be possible the NRL will then be higher again in the FTA TV stakes . Anyway get a new guy in for the NRL to do the next deal, of which negotiations should commence in the back end 2025, maybe again is announce a record broadcasters amount surpassing the AFL. Anyway we just relax to know we are the winners of which this threat is named,....
Watch as the usual nay sayers blurt nothing. This above is the real fact the rest is just BS. This is how you measure or go start a thread along the line Media, Telecommunications, broadcasters, websites and contra thread...
 
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Colk

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Not to worry .....

In the year 2023 we have the winner in the Broadcaster FTA and Pay TV. This competition is to start in only 3 months time...
Lets see who wins ... The envelope please........

The NRL takes out the Free To Air (FTA) categorie for the most dollars paid by FTA broadcasters for the two years 2023 ANNND 2024 by over $16 million dollars p/a .....

NRL is the winner on $162m
yearly with Nine ( $130m) and Sky NZ ( $32m ) broadcasters for a total of $162 million dollars. ( After all this what the thread is about, it's named so) ie 'Next tv deal discussion'
The AFL FTA amounts were only $146 yearly for the Seven Network for the years 2023-2024
You weren't expecting that were you?

So after taking out the FTA Broadcast stakes what happened on the pay TV front. Well no one including the AFL publicly released the information. Reasonable guess work has the NRL Foxtel over $240m which matches the AFL I guess for the two years 2023-2024.

I tried of games- measure the FTA and PAY Tv broadcasters...
So the NRL has a clear win in FTA TV stakes for the next two years... Rejoice We win for the next two years, yah...
At around 2025 the AFL looks like it may be on top then, in 2025, However pick from Internationals and other Nations or areas not from NZ, might be possible the NRL will then be higher again in the FTA TV stakes . Anyway get a new guy in for the NRL to do the next deal, of which negotiations should commence in the back end 2025, maybe again is announce a record broadcasters amount surpassing the AFL. Anyway we just relax to know we are the winners of which this threat is named,....
Watch as the usual nay sayers blurt nothing. This above is the real fact the rest is just BS. This is how you measure or go start a threat along the line Media, Telecommunications, broadcasters and contra threat...

That’s great $16m difference. Pity we have to worry about those other years though but silver linings and all that
 

Storm80

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According to various sources, then NRL chief executive Todd Greenbergand his then chief commercial officer, Andrew Abdo, presented a paper to the commission in late March strongly advising against signing a new broadcast deal during the pandemic.

hmmmm.

AW: Was it a mistake doing the deal with Foxtel during the pandemic?

At the time, Fox needed an asset on its sheet to continue its viability. If we didn’t come into play, there’d be no Foxtel.


then why the f**k didn’t he hold them over a barrel?

We set up the platform for AFL to be able to do this. If the game hadn’t started on May 28 [2020], and both the NRL and AFL cut their broadcast requirements to make Fox and Nine viable because they were in uncharted waters, they [the AFL] wouldn’t have the platforms to do what they’re doing.

what an arrogant prick. And notice how he keeps bringing up his covid response to deflect current criticism? Also he fails to mention that afl got back all of their covid reduction whilst we got nothing.

Hahaha yep it’s only the AFL that spin. My goodness. What a load of horse shit.

Well thank god the NRL set it all up for the AFL to absolutely shit all over the NRL. Job well done PVL haha

The AFL leveraged Marvel Stadium and great relationship with NAB to get $500m loan for 2020 season to ensure the game stayed afloat.

Due to their solid relationships with state and federal government they were planning on getting the game up and running in July. They did this in good faith to give government air to breath without unnecessary pressure to get things back to normal unrealistically.

NRL pushed back on government and went on their path to starting up early because NRL had no line of credit. It then started back up on 28 May 2020 ahead of schedule due to need to get revenue or risk going bankrupt.

By starting on 28 May, they then had a public fight with channel 9 and foxtel. Both companies required a discount due to NRL not delivering 25 rounds of football. Both companies held NRL over a barrel because they knew NRL was desperate.

Yet all along NRL stated they got a better deal than AFL but retained all information on the revised media deal as commercial in confidence. Also gave away its digital division.

Now, do I criticise NRL for starting on 28 May at a discount - hell no. They risked bankruptcy if they didn’t. Do I question the fake bluster and lies about the renegotiation of media rights? Yep.

Did NRL save the AFL by starting on 28 May? Nope - they had $500m loan to save them. Did NRL starting on 28 May force AFL to start earlier than July? Yep.

It would appear the NRL ego and spin is in uncharted waters at the moment.

Isn’t it funny, AFL get a $500m loan to save it and help state government navigate a few months of unknown covid issues - then AFL somehow manage to negotiate $510m cash between 2025-27? It’s almost like their CEO builds phenomenal relationships with all key stakeholders (government and media etc) to secure his games future.

Contrast the AFL approach to the NRL approach

- publicly blast nine and foxtel during renegotiations
- apologise to nine for speaking out of school with no consultation
- blast NSW government for reneging on a handshake deal for stadiums to help flood victims

Is anyone sensing a theme here? It’s almost like the head of a national sport needs to schmooze government extremely well rather than blast them and bag them off in the media.

If NRL are gonna sell the GF like the Super Bowl - you’d probably want Victoria to bid on it - at least to boost the price. After all, by 2030, Melbourne will have the highest population of any Australian city.

While the condescending way NRL now talk about all things Victoria seems to appease the Sydney crowd, it’s detrimental to the game overall.

The VRC do not like PVL. The VRC are appointed by Victorian government. Do you seriously think Victorian government is going to splash money at out bidding NSW or QLD for NRL GF?? Not while PVL is around they won’t.

It doesn’t take a genius to understand the biggest TV market over the next 50 years will be Melbourne. To grow the game needs to consolidate Qld with more teams - there should be 3 in Brisbane and grow the game in southern states. Neither of these things appear close to being a reality under the current NRL leadership
 

Colk

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Hahaha yep it’s only the AFL that spin. My goodness. What a load of horse shit.

Well thank god the NRL set it all up for the AFL to absolutely shit all over the NRL. Job well done PVL haha

The AFL leveraged Marvel Stadium and great relationship with NAB to get $500m loan for 2020 season to ensure the game stayed afloat.

Due to their solid relationships with state and federal government they were planning on getting the game up and running in July. They did this in good faith to give government air to breath without unnecessary pressure to get things back to normal unrealistically.

NRL pushed back on government and went on their path to starting up early because NRL had no line of credit. It then started back up on 28 May 2020 ahead of schedule due to need to get revenue or risk going bankrupt.

By starting on 28 May, they then had a public fight with channel 9 and foxtel. Both companies required a discount due to NRL not delivering 25 rounds of football. Both companies held NRL over a barrel because they knew NRL was desperate.

Yet all along NRL stated they got a better deal than AFL but retained all information on the revised media deal as commercial in confidence. Also gave away its digital division.

Now, do I criticise NRL for starting on 28 May at a discount - hell no. They risked bankruptcy if they didn’t. Do I question the fake bluster and lies about the renegotiation of media rights? Yep.

Did NRL save the AFL by starting on 28 May? Nope - they had $500m loan to save them. Did NRL starting on 28 May force AFL to start earlier than July? Yep.

It would appear the NRL ego and spin is in uncharted waters at the moment.

Isn’t it funny, AFL get a $500m loan to save it and help state government navigate a few months of unknown covid issues - then AFL somehow manage to negotiate $510m cash between 2025-27? It’s almost like their CEO builds phenomenal relationships with all key stakeholders (government and media etc) to secure his games future.

Contrast the AFL approach to the NRL approach

- publicly blast nine and foxtel during renegotiations
- apologise to nine for speaking out of school with no consultation
- blast NSW government for reneging on a handshake deal for stadiums to help flood victims

Is anyone sensing a theme here? It’s almost like the head of a national sport needs to schmooze government extremely well rather than blast them and bag them off in the media.

If NRL are gonna sell the GF like the Super Bowl - you’d probably want Victoria to bid on it - at least to boost the price. After all, by 2030, Melbourne will have the highest population of any Australian city.

While the condescending way NRL now talk about all things Victoria seems to appease the Sydney crowd, it’s detrimental to the game overall.

The VRC do not like PVL. The VRC are appointed by Victorian government. Do you seriously think Victorian government is going to splash money at out bidding NSW or QLD for NRL GF?? Not while PVL is around they won’t.

It doesn’t take a genius to understand the biggest TV market over the next 50 years will be Melbourne. To grow the game needs to consolidate Qld with more teams - there should be 3 in Brisbane and grow the game in southern states. Neither of these things appear close to being a reality under the current NRL leadership

Don’t worry. We can lean on our healthy long standing relationship with News Limited and Nine. We might get within $100m
 

Storm80

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Bring on Super League 2. That'll f**k News Ltd, Ch9 and the tiny Sydney clubs.
Yeah, in my opinion there appears to be conflict between being head of racing and NRL as both sports negotiate with News Ltd and other media companies.

I would think if PVL told News Ltd to GTFOH in relation to NRL rights, there could be consequences for racing down the track. Similarly if relations between racing and News Ltd soured, it could affect NRL in future just based on personalities and dynamics.

Gil has only one master, the AFL. And he’s serving his master brilliantly
 

The_Wookie

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The AFL FTA amounts were only $146 yearly for the Seven Network for the years 2023-2024

You know this was averaged from 2020-2024 right?

The AFL says the revised five-year deal with Seven for 2020-2024 was for $730 million or an average of $146 million per year for free-to-air rights.

Its not static over the 5 years. Given they were reduced for 2020-2022, it stands to reason that the actual FTA amount for Seven increases over the last two years.
 
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colly

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That’s great $16m difference. Pity we have to worry about those other years though but silver linings and all that
Doesn't matter if you win by a point or/million dollars or 16 points or 16 million dollars.
You can only play what's in front of you and a WIN is a WIN, any League'r would know that!
 

Colk

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Doesn't matter if you win by a point or/million dollars or 16 points or 16 million dollars.
You can only play what's in front of you and a WIN is a WIN, any League'r would know that!

Right. So we should forget about what Fox are paying fumbleball or about the new deal fumbleball will get.

Definition of a pyrrhic victory mate
 

The Penguin #6.

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Andrew Webster: Is the AFL’s deal of concern to you?

Peter V’landys: No, not at all. What you’ve got to understand is this deal doesn’t come into effect until 2027 [sic], so it’s two years away. We will be negotiating our deal pretty soon to take us up to 2031. We set up the platform for AFL to be able to do this. If the game hadn’t started on May 28 [2020], and both the NRL and AFL cut their broadcast requirements to make Fox and Nine viable because they were in uncharted waters, they [the AFL] wouldn’t have the platforms to do what they’re doing. We’ve got a few things up our sleeves, which I can’t say too much about it, but the clubs have nothing to be worried about.
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well he's got to do this and then outperform, otherwise i can't see why we would have him as chair any longer. he's failed to get the funding for so many stadium deals now and clubs would have been counting on increased corporate yield there too.

but i still don't understand why we'd rush to deal again? is he just trying to line up the two deals so competitive tension exists?
Chisel this in stone and put out the front of NRL HQ so they get to see it every day.
 

colly

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Yo
Right. So we should forget about what Fox are paying fumbleball or about the new deal fumbleball will get.

Definition of a pyrrhic victory mate
u might be unaware the AFL have three (3) deals as of now. I was referring to the deal the AFL start in 2023 against the NRL deal. It's a fact that the NRL get $162m for FTA TV that's been reported by the parties. Fact!
The victory in the Pay TV 2023 ie (next year) and 2024 is not set in stone so UI call it a tie, so with the NRL FTA it's a win. My post was for the next couple of years, where we have the VICTORY, in the middle of 2025 we can start negotiations for aa next deal hopefully delivered at the end of 2025 or the start 2026. So in my calculations we win in 2023, and 2024, unfortunately we lose in 2025, however a monster deal signed in late 2025 can see us come ahead again..
 

Colk

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Yo

u might be unaware the AFL have three (3) deals as of now. I was referring to the deal the AFL start in 2023 against the NRL deal. It's a fact that the NRL get $162m for FTA TV that's been reported by the parties. Fact!
The victory in the Pay TV 2023 ie (next year) and 2024 is not set in stone so UI call it a tie, so with the NRL FTA it's a win. My post was for the next couple of years, where we have the VICTORY, in the middle of 2025 we can start negotiations for aa next deal hopefully delivered at the end of 2025 or the start 2026. So in my calculations we win in 2023, and 2024, unfortunately we lose in 2025, however a monster deal signed in late 2025 can see us come ahead again..

The deals are relatively the same for the next couple of years because Vlan idiot decided to extend the current deal with Pay TV over a longer period with a minimum increase attached and in essence split the deal. Thus we lose big time in the long run - hence why I phrased it as a phyrric victory over the two years (inconsequential is another term if you want)

Negotiation 101 - market everything at the same time.
 

The_Wookie

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Yo

u might be unaware the AFL have three (3) deals as of now. I was referring to the deal the AFL start in 2023 against the NRL deal. It's a fact that the NRL get $162m for FTA TV that's been reported by the parties. Fact!
whats not a fact is the amount you assume the AFL FTA deal is for 2023 and 2024.

146m a year is the average from 2020-2024, with Seven noting 87m in saving for 2020-2022. Its absolutely going to be higher than 146m for the last 2 years of the deal.
 

colly

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Unless its not a win.
Well give us your figures....????? i see above we don't have to wait\ too long 16 months... One time they payed $140m yearly, maybe they mean moving up from thier oldest deal of $840 cash which equals average $140, so maybe it's a "improvement' going from $140m p/a to $146 p/average, ie $12m ie 6m yealry increase increase over two years BUT you seem to be on the ball, maybe its $190m per year like your mate Perth Red says, as he uses the same justification. Warburton said only improvement, if i recall correctly... So take it your in on $190m p/a from Seven for 23-24 years.
Anyway their a shit Seven Network anybody that takes the national game Cricket, to court doesn't deserve any respect. Warburton said only improvement, if i recall correctly...
I see 'our Queens passed, did you know she was the Patron of English Rugby League and her recently departed Prince Phillip was the Australian Patron of Rugby league. The queen presented the Rugby League ,league Cup final when played in Wembley
 
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Perth Red

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Not to worry .....

In the year 2023 we have the winner in the Broadcaster FTA and Pay TV. This competition is to start in only 3 months time...
Lets see who wins ... The envelope please........

The NRL takes out the Free To Air (FTA) categorie for the most dollars paid by FTA broadcasters for the two years 2023 ANNND 2024 by over $16 million dollars p/a .....

NRL is the winner on $162m
yearly with Nine ( $130m) and Sky NZ ( $32m ) broadcasters for a total of $162 million dollars. ( After all this what the thread is about, it's named so) ie 'Next tv deal discussion'
The AFL FTA amounts were only $146 yearly for the Seven Network for the years 2023-2024
You weren't expecting that were you?

So after taking out the FTA Broadcast stakes what happened on the pay TV front. Well no one including the AFL publicly released the information. Reasonable guess work has the NRL Foxtel over $240m which matches the AFL I guess for the two years 2023-2024.

I tried of games- measure the FTA and PAY Tv broadcasters...
So the NRL has a clear win in FTA TV stakes for the next two years... Rejoice We win for the next two years, yah...
At around 2025 the AFL looks like it may be on top then, in 2025, However pick from Internationals and other Nations or areas not from NZ, might be possible the NRL will then be higher again in the FTA TV stakes . Anyway get a new guy in for the NRL to do the next deal, of which negotiations should commence in the back end 2025, maybe again is announce a record broadcasters amount surpassing the AFL. Anyway we just relax to know we are the winners of which this threat is named,....
Watch as the usual nay sayers blurt nothing. This above is the real fact the rest is just BS. This is how you measure or go start a thread along the line Media, Telecommunications, broadcasters, websites and contra thread...
So much wrong in this I can’t be bothered to begin to tell you where you’re making sht up.
 

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