2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Colk]

He was saying its the playing talent league and union that will favour it to NZ2.

Yeah I remember that article actually.

I would like another kiwi side but I just think now that the needs have shifted dramatically. We need money and we need a side that will force TV networks in Australia to pay top dollar.

Also for once please don’t ask them what they want as they will want something that means the least amount of money to spend for them. Start directing them rather than networks directing us - that will need different people in charge though

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

NRL defends media deal after fears of a widening financial gap to AFL

Rugby league executives insist the AFL’s bumper deal will help them in negotiations.

www.afr.com

“When you have that much more money over and above your biggest competitor, that translates to hundreds of more development officers in NSW and Queensland, which can further erode the cultural strength of rugby league in its heartland,”

Last week, the academic produced an economic analysis showing that the AFL could be getting more than 50 cents of every $1 going from broadcasters to Australia’s four major football codes by the middle of this decade. Those numbers are believed to be circulating among some NRL stakeholders.

I wouldn't be surprised if they used the money to build infrastructure across Brisbane. If they build better facilities at their local clubs and invest in developing the game across schools then we'll see more kids playing the game.

 

[Colk]

I wouldn't be surprised if they used the money to build infrastructure across Brisbane. If they build better facilities at their local clubs and invest in developing the game across schools then we'll see more kids playing the game.

Of course they will. They will do that in Sydney as well. Because they are competently managed.

 

[Perth Red]

You do realise Telstra have the same agreement with NRL to run the websites as AFL does? Just is classed as something else

You been on a club website? Notice they are all the same? That is cause Telstra runs them

The pop up ads you get, that money goes to Telstra. They pay the sports a certain amount to do that

The last Telstra deal to AFL was $50m a year. For the new deal no id

That is incorrect.Telstra run the afl,websites and keep all advertising revenue. Nrl digital Dept run the nrl websites and nrl keeps the revenue. That’s why telstra pay afl $50mill and nrl around $20mill in comp naming rights.

what would be interesting to know is how much profit this makes the nrl, does it equate to as much as telstra pay afl for it? Grant believed it had the potential to become one of the main revenue earners for nrl.
Vlandys closed down the main driver to the nrl website when he sacked the ten journalists from the nrl digital media section. Now all the main news feeds are from Foxsports website. Shame he’s buried the digital revenue so we can’t see how much this has cost the game!

 

[Perth Red]

whats the gap as a percentage though? im guessing it was bigger under Gallop

Nrl 2007-2012 was $500mill over 6 years or $83.3mil a year
afl was 2007-2011 $780mill over 5 years or $156mill

 

[Leaguenutter]

Setungcay Melatuakuu?

 

[Perth Red]

Can someone cut and paste please

NRL defends media deal after fears of a widening financial gap to AFL

Rugby league executives insist the AFL’s bumper deal will help them in negotiations.

www.afr.com

 

[Perth Red]

He was saying its the playing talent league and union that will favour it to NZ2.

NZ Playing talent won’t close a $200mill revenue gap!

 

[Colk]

Nrl 2007-2012 was $500mill over 6 years or $83.3mil a year
afl was 2007-2011 $780mill over 5 years or $156mill

It is a bit better now. NRL was about 53% of the deal then, it is about 63% now. Cold comfort though

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Of course they will. They will do that in Sydney as well. Because they are competently managed.

Our game has spent the last 25 years basing its budget around the survival of its NRL clubs, especially the ones from Sydney. Money has been taken away from grassroots RL to keep the professional clubs alive in the midst of competition from cashed up international rugby clubs. It's going to have long-term ramifications on our game, but no one cares because all they can see is their club's survival over the next five years.

Rugby union's decline in this country over the last 20 years is our game's fate if it doesn't wake up. The Shute Shield clubs blocked a genuine national competition from being created in the 90s and 00s because they wanted to be at the top of the pyramid. I'm afraid our game's power brokers will continue to base everything around Sydney's nine clubs until the game is so small and niche is becomes irrelevant everywhere, just like rugby union.

 

[grobbelaar]

It is a bit better now. NRL was about 53% of the deal then, it is about 63% now. Cold comfort though

It is fair to say that in proportionate terms, the NRL is better off than it once was, but in absolute terms, the gap seems wider than ever.
$240 miilion difference per annum is serious coin.

 

[The_Wookie]

I noticed that today. A few more fumbleball stories in the terrorgraph. Snakes that they are

they aint saying anything different in Nines papers (AFR/SMH)

 

[Perth Red]

It is fair to say that in proportionate terms, the NRL is better off than it once was, but in absolute terms, the gap seems wider than ever.
$240 miilion difference per annum is serious coin.

Imagine if the game had $240mill a year more to spend! We could have a 20 team comp with a fully funded png in it, the best paid womens comp in the country, proper investment in grass roots nationally, free registrations for jnrs, free full membership for kids, ownership of stadiums and other assets and so it goes on!

 

[angak888]

I've been hearing a lot that the NRL TV ratings are much better than AFL & that we are getting ripped off by TV executives and/or PVL incompetence.

Just looking at this weekends ratings ( Friday, Saturday night) AFL is comfortably ahead.

AFL ( FOX, SEVEN) - Friday Night 1.15M
NRL (FOX, NINE) - Friday Night 823K

AFL (FOX, SEVEN) - Saturday Night 1.06M
NRL ( FOX,NINE) - Saturday Night 731K

Across the two nights AFL 600k more viewers than the NRL. This is roughly a 26% difference difference between the two codes.

 

[The_Wookie]

I've been hearing a lot that the NRL TV ratings are much better than AFL & that we are getting ripped off by TV executives and/or PVL incompetence.

Just looking at this weekends ratings ( Friday, Saturday night) AFL is comfortably ahead.

AFL ( FOX, SEVEN) - Friday Night 1.15M
NRL (FOX, NINE) - Friday Night 823K

AFL (FOX, SEVEN) - Saturday Night 1.06M
NRL ( FOX,NINE) - Saturday Night 731K

Across the two nights AFL 600k more viewers than the NRL. This is roughly a 26% difference difference between the two codes.

AFL Finals typically rate better than NRL ones. The difference is mostly in the Saturday and Sunday home and away matches where the AFL has simultaneous matches and other issues that cause low ratings. Plus rep fixtures.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Yeah Doc was a good poster. I wonder what happened to him

Intentcity had him killled.

 

[ayatollah_murdoch]

Can someone cut and paste please

Pressure continues to mount on the country’s top rugby league executives after the AFL was able to secure a $4.5 billion broadcast rights deal, raising questions about a large financial gap developing between Australia’s two football codes.

The Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V’Landys, along with NRL executives, took the decision to extend the broadcast rights deal with Nine Entertainment and Foxtel at the end of 2021 – in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic.


Australian Rugby League Commission president Peter V’landys. NRL Photos

That decision has come under scrutiny over the past week, particular as the rights were not subject to a similar competitive tender process which saw the AFL clinch its record seven-year deal.

The NRL’s CEO Andrew Abdo defended the broadcast partnership which will kick-in from 2023. He told The Australian Financial Review the AFL’s moves showed there would be interest from competing broadcasters when the game negotiates its rights beyond 2027.

“The NRL has never been financially stronger,” Mr Abdo said. “Last financial year we recorded a $43 million surplus – much larger than any sporting code.”

“The AFL deal announced this week extends four years beyond the expiration of the new NRL deal. The increased interest in sports rights sets the NRL up to grow our financial strength even further for our next rights.”

‘An absolute disaster for the NRL’
But news of the AFL’s bumper deal continues to reverberate around the NRL. On Sunday, The Sun-Herald’s NRL columnist Danny Weidler reported that club bosses are “seething” that the AFL was able to negotiate a deal that would reportedly leave the NRL between $100 to $170 million worse off each year.

Dr Hunter Fujak from Melbourne’s Deakin Business School and author of the recent book Code Wars - The Battle for Fans, Dollars & Survival said the deal was “an absolute disaster for the NRL” because the AFL now has millions more to fund grassroots operations.


Paramount executive vice president Beverley McGarvey says sport has become a bigger priority since launching its streaming service last August. Rhett Wyman

“When you have that much more money over and above your biggest competitor, that translates to hundreds of more development officers in NSW and Queensland, which can further erode the cultural strength of rugby league in its heartland,” he said.

Last week, the academic produced an economic analysis showing that the AFL could be getting more than 50 cents of every $1 going from broadcasters to Australia’s four major football codes by the middle of this decade. Those numbers are believed to be circulating among some NRL stakeholders.

A source close to the NRL said the numbers were incorrect because they included the AFL’s deal with Telstra and free advertising attached to the agreement, known as contra. But they conceded there will be a financial gap between the codes by 2025.

“I liken the situation to the Tour de France sprint, where the leader whips away and creates a gap to the field,” Dr Fujak said. “This puts such a gap between the AFL and the NRL, soccer and rugby union that you could see this as the singularly momentous act in the battle between the codes.”

A third player emerges
During an interview last week, Mr V’Landys said the NRL would be negotiating the next rights to 2031 “pretty soon” and assured the game “we’ve got a few things up our sleeves”.

But the executive also took credit for keeping Foxtel afloat during the COVID-19 pandemic by extending the current deal – comments which have irked some within the pay-TV company.

There are reasons for Mr V’Landys and NRL executives to remain bullish. Paramount/Channel 10 were in the final hunt for the AFL rights last week, which suggests the US-owned broadcaster could push Channel Nine and Foxtel if they bid for ownership of the rugby league rights.

As AFR Weekend reported, Paramount/10 came in second for the AFL rights, bidding around $570 million cash a year in an effort to take the prized asset from under the noses of Channel Seven and Foxtel.

That strong showing raised the eyebrows of many within the media industry, particularly as potential bidding for rugby league, cricket and tennis are on the horizon.

Paramount/Channel 10 is currently home to the A-League soccer, but the broadcaster’s lead Australian executive Beverley McGarvey appears to have the green light to poach more local sport. US-based Paramount Global chief executive Bob Bakish was among those who personally called AFL CEO Gill McLachlan last Monday to make the media group’s final pitch.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Pressure continues to mount on the country’s top rugby league executives after the AFL was able to secure a $4.5 billion broadcast rights deal, raising questions about a large financial gap developing between Australia’s two football codes.

The Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V’Landys, along with NRL executives, took the decision to extend the broadcast rights deal with Nine Entertainment and Foxtel at the end of 2021 – in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic.


Australian Rugby League Commission president Peter V’landys. NRL Photos

That decision has come under scrutiny over the past week, particular as the rights were not subject to a similar competitive tender process which saw the AFL clinch its record seven-year deal.

The NRL’s CEO Andrew Abdo defended the broadcast partnership which will kick-in from 2023. He told The Australian Financial Review the AFL’s moves showed there would be interest from competing broadcasters when the game negotiates its rights beyond 2027.

“The NRL has never been financially stronger,” Mr Abdo said. “Last financial year we recorded a $43 million surplus – much larger than any sporting code.”

“The AFL deal announced this week extends four years beyond the expiration of the new NRL deal. The increased interest in sports rights sets the NRL up to grow our financial strength even further for our next rights.”

‘An absolute disaster for the NRL’
But news of the AFL’s bumper deal continues to reverberate around the NRL. On Sunday, The Sun-Herald’s NRL columnist Danny Weidler reported that club bosses are “seething” that the AFL was able to negotiate a deal that would reportedly leave the NRL between $100 to $170 million worse off each year.

Dr Hunter Fujak from Melbourne’s Deakin Business School and author of the recent book Code Wars - The Battle for Fans, Dollars & Survival said the deal was “an absolute disaster for the NRL” because the AFL now has millions more to fund grassroots operations.


Paramount executive vice president Beverley McGarvey says sport has become a bigger priority since launching its streaming service last August. Rhett Wyman

“When you have that much more money over and above your biggest competitor, that translates to hundreds of more development officers in NSW and Queensland, which can further erode the cultural strength of rugby league in its heartland,” he said.

Last week, the academic produced an economic analysis showing that the AFL could be getting more than 50 cents of every $1 going from broadcasters to Australia’s four major football codes by the middle of this decade. Those numbers are believed to be circulating among some NRL stakeholders.

A source close to the NRL said the numbers were incorrect because they included the AFL’s deal with Telstra and free advertising attached to the agreement, known as contra. But they conceded there will be a financial gap between the codes by 2025.

“I liken the situation to the Tour de France sprint, where the leader whips away and creates a gap to the field,” Dr Fujak said. “This puts such a gap between the AFL and the NRL, soccer and rugby union that you could see this as the singularly momentous act in the battle between the codes.”

A third player emerges
During an interview last week, Mr V’Landys said the NRL would be negotiating the next rights to 2031 “pretty soon” and assured the game “we’ve got a few things up our sleeves”.

But the executive also took credit for keeping Foxtel afloat during the COVID-19 pandemic by extending the current deal – comments which have irked some within the pay-TV company.

There are reasons for Mr V’Landys and NRL executives to remain bullish. Paramount/Channel 10 were in the final hunt for the AFL rights last week, which suggests the US-owned broadcaster could push Channel Nine and Foxtel if they bid for ownership of the rugby league rights.

As AFR Weekend reported, Paramount/10 came in second for the AFL rights, bidding around $570 million cash a year in an effort to take the prized asset from under the noses of Channel Seven and Foxtel.

That strong showing raised the eyebrows of many within the media industry, particularly as potential bidding for rugby league, cricket and tennis are on the horizon.

Paramount/Channel 10 is currently home to the A-League soccer, but the broadcaster’s lead Australian executive Beverley McGarvey appears to have the green light to poach more local sport. US-based Paramount Global chief executive Bob Bakish was among those who personally called AFL CEO Gill McLachlan last Monday to make the media group’s final pitch.

V'landys needs to suck up to Ch10/Paramount+. If he can get them to bid $570m pa between 2027-31 then he can go back to News Ltd and Ch9 and say he'll sign the deal unless they redo their current deal so it's inline with AwFuL. That's the only way he can fix this mess. If Ch9/News Ltd say "no" then sign the deal with Ch10/Paramount+. It's the only way he can redeem himself.

I guess we now know that the cash component of AwFuL's new deal is no less than $570pa. That puts them at $170m pa more than us!

 

[Nerd]

Yep I can see that exactly being the case. We need to get rid of the useless pair and new commision, announce perth in for 2028 by investing in nrlwa now and start negotiations in 2026. Get digital back up and running properly. Get full 18 club nrlw happening.
The boat has sailed we will ever catch up to afl so for the next two decades it’s going to be damage limitation. Realistic Goal should be $500-550 mill next deal.

I'm all for Perth in 2028 but I don't agree that we won't catch up with the AFL for 2 decades. Fox and Nein have shown their hand now and the NRL just need to copy the AFL in how they did their deal. Hopefully we end up with Ten and Paramount and Nein becomes a distant third in their market.

 

[Johnny88]

NRL to seek millions in compensation from Foxtel after monster AFL deal

The NRL will seek tens of millions of dollars in compensation from broadcast partner Foxtel after the pay-TV giant struck a mammoth rights deal with the AFL last week.

Some clubs are under the impression the NRL has an ace up its sleeve that will allow them to return to the negotiation table with Foxtel for the seven-year deal it signed in 2020.


As reported by the Herald at the time of the renegotiated television deal, at the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, ARLC chairman Peter V’landys and NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo tried to include a “most-favoured” clause in its five-year extension with Foxtel.

It would have prohibited the pay television provider from striking a better deal with the AFL without compensating the NRL for the difference.

Foxtel rejected the NRL’s request, but the club's are under the impression that the governing body believes there was an understanding between the two parties to revisit the deal if the AFL’s deal gazumped that of rugby league. Foxtel did not respond to requests for comment. The NRL declined to comment.

The deals are difficult to compare. The AFL has an extra game each round. The AFL has also secured exclusive rights to all Saturday games in the first eight rounds, but in exchange will hand the Seven Network exclusive Thursday nights for the first 15 rounds from 2025.

Whether Foxtel believes it is under any obligation to compensate the NRL is unclear. The pay television network paid around $200 million a season for the NRL when it renegotiated its rights deal two years ago.

Combined with the free-to-air deal with Nine Entertainment Co, the publishers of this masthead, New Zealand, international and radio rights, the total deal is approximately $400m per year.

The AFL’s deal with Foxtel and Seven is reportedly worth around $640m a year from 2025-2031. The Foxtel component of the deal is believed to make up about 60 per cent of that figure, or just under $400m.

Over the past week, V’landys and Abdo have been heavily criticised for leaving money on the table when they sat down with Foxtel, leaving some clubs seeing red.

V’landys has assured them there is nothing to fear but won’t divulge the ace up his sleeve. V'landys declined to comment, describing discussions as "confidential".

The Herald has been told that ace is a perceived verbal agreement between the NRL and Foxtel chief executive Patrick Delany that the NRL’s willingness to do a deal at the height of COVID-19 uncertainty wouldn’t be forgotten.

V’landys indicated as much when he highlighted the dire predicament Foxtel found itself in when all of Australia’s sporting codes were forced to shut down two years ago, leaving Fox Sports without content to provide its paying subscribers.

“At the time, Fox needed an asset on its sheet to continue its viability. If we didn’t come into play, there’d be no Foxtel,” V’landys told the Herald last week.


“If Foxtel coughs, all the codes catch a cold. If you haven’t got them in play, the other parties won’t be paying as much as they should because you need competitive tension. When COVID-19 hit, they were the only ones. If they went under, there was no one else available.”

V’landys also recently went to war with the NSW government over a perceived verbal agreement to invest almost $800m into Sydney suburban grounds. But the government later decided to prioritise funding to the towns ripped apart by recent floods, much to the dismay of the ARLC chair.

NRL to seek millions in compensation from Foxtel after monster AFL deal

The NRL believes it has the right to return to the negotiation table with Foxtel after the AFL struck a record deal with the pay television giants.

www.smh.com.au