2024 Match Review & Judiciary charges

Colk · 2024-09-02T21:19:43+1000

Valheru said:
Absolutely I would.

Imagine poor Twent in that situation.

skeepe · 2024-09-02T21:20:00+1000

Babyface O'reilly said:
Don’t think you can compare the two. Whitehead’s was a tackle gone wrong which has earned a suspension in the past. Teddy was contesting a ball and Rapana might not have got hurt if he didn’t tackle him in the air which resulted in his elbow coming down on him?

Only problem with that is that the elbow hit Rapana’s face before he wrapped his arms. At that point he was contesting the ball, and the elbow was the first contact between the two. If anything you could argue that the wrapping of the arms was a defence mechanism for someone jumping into him.

I don’t think Teddy should be charged. But neither should Whitehead. Both are accidents. We need to be really careful that we don’t go looking for a charge every single time a player gets injured. Rugby league is a tough contact sport. Sometimes accidents happen.

Whitehead grabbed Smith around the shoulders, Smith ducked and Whitehead held on. Should he have, in that split second, decide to let go of Smith and not complete the tackle? If Smith doesn’t try to duck out of the tackle, Whitehead doesn’t end up where he is.

Valheru · 2024-09-02T21:20:25+1000

Iamback said:
If the tackle is a legal tackle 100%.

I asked you earlier.

I will ask again. What could Whitehead do differently in the tackle to not get the injury?

Not fall on the back of his leg, the onus of which is on the defender. This is not a new rule.

skeepe · 2024-09-02T21:21:21+1000

Iamback said:
If the tackle is a legal tackle 100%.

I asked you earlier.

I will ask again. What could Whitehead do differently in the tackle to not get the injury?

The only thing he could do is to let go and give up on the tackle. And he has about a tenth of a second to make that decision. It’s ridiculous.

skeepe · 2024-09-02T21:24:17+1000

Valheru said:
Not fall on the back of his leg, the onus of which is on the defender. This is not a new rule.

When Kikau did it against us, Annesley defended there being no penalty or charge because sometimes accidents happen.

I guess they only happen to some clubs

Iamback · 2024-09-02T21:24:46+1000

skeepe said:
The only thing he could do is to let go and give up on the tackle. And he has about a tenth of a second to make that decision. It’s ridiculous.

There lies the issue with the game right now. Image matters and the NRL didn't like a player getting hurt in a tackle so has made a charge.

If Whitehead left the ground on changed position then maybe. But in this situation there is nothing

Valheru · 2024-09-02T21:24:52+1000

skeepe said:
Only problem with that is that the elbow hit Rapana’s face before he wrapped his arms. At that point he was contesting the ball, and the elbow was the first contact between the two. If anything you could argue that the wrapping of the arms was a defence mechanism for someone jumping into him.

I don’t think Teddy should be charged. But neither should Whitehead. Both are accidents. We need to be really careful that we don’t go looking for a charge every single time a player gets injured. Rugby league is a tough contact sport. Sometimes accidents happen.

Whitehead grabbed Smith around the shoulders, Smith ducked and Whitehead held on. Should he have, in that split second, decide to let go of Smith and not complete the tackle? If Smith doesn’t try to duck out of the tackle, Whitehead doesn’t end up where he is.

Yes

Nat butcher got suspended for the exact same thing against the sharks last year. The sharks player literally ducked under him and he found himself on his back like whitehead was. He got charged with a grade 2 and missed a week. Had he of let him go the sharks score a try. I think he got binned as well.

I'm sure there have been others.

Valheru · 2024-09-02T21:26:00+1000

skeepe said:
When Kikau did it against us, Annesley defended there being no penalty or charge because sometimes accidents happen.

I guess they only happen to some clubs

I can't remember that exact incident but no one accused the NRL of consistency.

Iamback · 2024-09-02T21:26:05+1000

Valheru said:
Not fall on the back of his leg, the onus of which is on the defender. This is not a new rule.

And in the 0.02 of a second this is done in normal pace. He is to know that he will fall on the leg?

dogslife · 2024-09-02T21:27:30+1000

Iamback said:
If the tackle is a legal tackle 100%.

I asked you earlier.

I will ask again. What could Whitehead do differently in the tackle to not get the injury?

He could've ascended to heaven like Cheese's ACL

Valheru · 2024-09-02T21:28:16+1000

Iamback said:
And in the 0.02 of a second this is done in normal pace. He is to know that he will fall on the leg?

You could argue the same with high contact and falling players etc but that is the world we live in now.

skeepe · 2024-09-02T21:30:35+1000

Valheru said:
You could argue the same with high contact and falling players etc but that is the world we live in now.

Sure, but those don’t end up with grade 3 charges, the most serious charge you can get without being referred straight to the judiciary.

It’s patently ridiculous.

soc123_au · 2024-09-02T21:30:56+1000

Valheru said:
Yes

Nat butcher got suspended for the exact same thing against the sharks last year. The sharks player literally ducked under him and he found himself on his back like whitehead was. He got charged with a grade 2 and missed a week. Had he of let him go the sharks score a try. I think he got binned as well.

I'm sure there have been others.

And did you applaud the decision?

Colk · 2024-09-02T21:32:10+1000

Valheru said:
I can't remember that exact incident but no one accused the NRL of consistency.

Of course you don’t remember that incident because it doesn’t support your argument. It is like you saying earlier to a Panthers fan that you didn’t give a s*** about what happened to Cleary when there was a similar incident that occurred to him.

You should just state that you only give a s*** about this incident because a player from your team got injured.

Valheru · 2024-09-02T21:32:15+1000

skeepe said:
Sure, but those don’t end up with grade 3 charges, the most serious charge you can get without being referred straight to the judiciary.

It’s patently ridiculous.

I'm not disagreeing with the charge being over the top, I completely accept he didn't mean to hurt him and the grading is a result of the injury.

Had he of been able to continue it still gets penalized and fined IMO

Valheru · 2024-09-02T21:35:40+1000

Colk said:
Of course you don’t remember that incident because it doesn’t support your argument. It is like you saying earlier to a Panthers fan that you didn’t give a s*** about what happened to Cleary when there was a similar incident that occurred to him.

You should just state that you only give a s*** about this incident because a player from your team got injured.

I don't remember every single incident that happens, especially when it doesn't involve my team or a notable game... Sorry. Skeepe might be completely right with what he is saying but I don't remember and I'm not bothered enough to search for it so if he or yourself because it seems so important to you wants to post a video I'll happily provide you an opinion.

Iamback · 2024-09-02T21:36:48+1000

Valheru said:
You could argue the same with high contact and falling players etc but that is the world we live in now.

Doesn't mean that world is right.

Just this weekend Fitzgibbon and Ivan who aren't known as whingers have commented on this very subject.

There is a difference between a dog shot and accidental contact

Colk · 2024-09-02T22:31:13+1000

Valheru said:
I'm not disagreeing with the charge being over the top, I completely accept he didn't mean to hurt him and the grading is a result of the injury.

Had he of been able to continue it still gets penalized and fined IMO

Here are some tackles that didn’t warrant any suspensions. One also caused significant injury to a Tigers player if you want to use that argument. They are just as dangerous and all involve a bloke landing on a bloke’s leg (if that is the only requirement for a hip drop then there are whole bunch of hip drops).

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