2024 TV and Streaming Ratings Discussion

[Mother Nature's Son]

You say these extra weeks but the ESL won't move. So just results in pre season starting later

And maybe that`s where taking a stake, or outright buying it, the European game comes in.

 

[Iamback]

And maybe that`s where taking a stake, or outright buying it, the European game comes in.

maybe so but IF Internationals are to become more valuable England need to be part of it and you can't have guys like Lachlan Lam unavailable

 

[Perth Red]

You say these extra weeks but the ESL won't move. So just results in pre season starting later

Theres talk at the moment of reducing fixtures in SL to avoid the loop fixtures. Will be a hard sell to clubs as most of their revenue comes from gameday. Problem over there is the challenge cup extends the season. I guess the only option if they want to be in the Int calendar is them starting the season earlier. Though RL in Jan and Feb is no fun!

They currently play 27 games a season + CC. getting it down to 24 and starting a bit earlier might be possible if the Int spin off is seen as valuable enough for clubs.

 

[Wb1234]

So player fatigue is worse in super league than nrl

Wonder how many games soccer players in the premier league play together with the fa cup and European comps

They sometimes play two games a week

 

[Perth Red]

So player fatigue is worse in super league than nrl

Wonder how many games soccer players in the premier league play together with the fa cup and European comps

They sometimes play two games a week

Its a lot, I think the avg is 58 games a year but could in theory be 74 if they won every cup!
38 EPL, eight FA Cup, six League Cup, 22 Europe comps

 

[The_Wookie]

So player fatigue is worse in super league than nrl

Wonder how many games soccer players in the premier league play together with the fa cup and European comps

They sometimes play two games a week

the physical toll on their bodies would be vastly different to league though.

 

[Billythekid]

Each club round generates around five million viewers

Taking out five rounds is 25 million viewers

Australia v Tonga got 900k viewers and Australia v nz less

Its a good idea in theory and the nrl simply can’t afford to do it

As I said in my post it may be a case of only removing 2-3 rounds. Thats something that the NRL would need to work out.

Just a few things on your stats though. Firstly total viewership isn’t everything. For example SOO only gets maybe a little over 2 rounds of the NRL but which of those do you think networks would rather have? Not saying that international games would rate like SOO either before you reply.

I think it’s a little unfair doing this calculation based on how Tonga vs Australia rated this year. Right now the international game is an afterthought that is basically treated like a joke by all levels of league from the players to the personalities to the people running the game. I don’t think it’s at all unreasonable to think these games could rate significantly higher.

IF the NRL was to go ahead with this I think there would be multiple factors as to why they would do it.

1 - To placate the RLPA.

2 - They believe it has the potential to increase the interest and viewership of the remaining NRL rounds

3 - they believe that by focusing more on the international game and really pushing it that they can significantly improve ratings. Maybe they saw the Matilda’s this year and thought they want a piece.

4 - potentially allows them to push more into places outside of NSW and QLD. This may be valuable to advertisers.

5 - they may see potential in the NRLW growing and needing more airtime away from the NRL season which may fill the gap somewhat.

the physical toll on their bodies would be vastly different to league though.

NBA teams can play up to 4 game a week. You just can’t compare sports like that to RL.

 

[Wb1234]

As I said in my post it may be a case of only removing 2-3 rounds. Thats something that the NRL would need to work out.

Just a few things on your stats though. Firstly total viewership isn’t everything. For example SOO only gets maybe a little over 2 rounds of the NRL but which of those do you think networks would rather have? Not saying that international games would rate like SOO either before you reply.

I think it’s a little unfair doing this calculation based on how Tonga vs Australia rated this year. Right now the international game is an afterthought that is basically treated like a joke by all levels of league from the players to the personalities to the people running the game. I don’t think it’s at all unreasonable to think these games could rate significantly higher.

IF the NRL was to go ahead with this I think there would be multiple factors as to why they would do it.

1 - To placate the RLPA.

2 - They believe it has the potential to increase the interest and viewership of the remaining NRL rounds

3 - they believe that by focusing more on the international game and really pushing it that they can significantly improve ratings. Maybe they saw the Matilda’s this year and thought they want a piece.

4 - potentially allows them to push more into places outside of NSW and QLD. This may be valuable to advertisers.

5 - they may see potential in the NRLW growing and needing more airtime away from the NRL season which may fill the gap somewhat.


NBA teams can play up to 4 game a week. You just can’t compare sports like that to RL.

I’m not saying it’s not doable

Just there will be an impact on the tv deal

Going to 22 rounds as suggested by the rlpa seems like a decent solution together with a ten team finals series and a 20 team comp

And yes they can expand the number of internationals the pacific cup is too short

 

[Matt_CBY]

If we go to 20 teams, we don’t have to be playing 10 games for the entire 22 weeks (RLPA preferred number). 2 teams can have a bye some weeks

Nooooo.

Death to the bye.

 

[The_Wookie]

#PacificChamps
NZ/Tonga
Nine
Average 210,000 (BVOD 31,000)
Reach 424,000 Data: VOZ 2024

 

[The_Wookie]

 

[The_Wookie]

Home	Away	Total TV	TV Reach	BVOD	BVOD Reach
PNG	PM XIII	191,000	613,000	54,000	132,000
Kangaroos	Tonga	705,000	1,452,000	189,000	315,000
Jillaroos	PNG Orchids			44,000	129,000
Fiji Bati	PNG	260,000	872,000	81,000	172,000
Tonga	Fetu Samoa
Fiji Bati	Cook Islands Aitu	183,000	668,000	58,000	140,000
Fiji Bulikula	Cook Islands Moana
Kiwis	Kangaroos	546,000	1,283,000
Kiwi Ferns	Jillaroos	176,000	642,000
Kiwis	Tonga	210,000	424,000

last 3 to be consolidated

 

[Wb1234]

Home	Away	Total TV	TV Reach	BVOD	BVOD Reach
PNG	PM XIII	191,000	613,000	54,000	132,000
Kangaroos	Tonga	705,000	1,452,000	189,000	315,000
Jillaroos	PNG Orchids			44,000	129,000
Fiji Bati	PNG	260,000	872,000	81,000	172,000
Tonga	Fetu Samoa
Fiji Bati	Cook Islands Aitu	183,000	668,000	58,000	140,000
Fiji Bulikula	Cook Islands Moana
Kiwis	Kangaroos	546,000	1,283,000
Kiwi Ferns	Jillaroos	176,000	642,000
Kiwis	Tonga	210,000	424,000

last 3 to be consolidated

What’s total tv figure

Nine / gem?

Is Fox / Kayo in those numbers ?

 

[The_Wookie]

What’s total tv figure

Nine / gem?

Is Fox / Kayo in those numbers ?

Total tv is VOZ definition for FTA + FTA BVOD. The BVOD/BVOD reach columns are oztams Foxtel streaming ratings

 

[The_Wookie]

 

[taste2taste]

22 games is only 2 fewer than they currently play, is that going to make any difference to player injuries and performance?

 

[taste2taste]

#PacificChamps
NZ/Tonga
Nine
Average 210,000 (BVOD 31,000)
Reach 424,000 Data: VOZ 2024

Shame nz v tonga was hidden away on gem.
was one of the best games of the year and one of the best internationals games for yeeeears.

 

[The_Wookie]

 

[Wb1234]

More than double the super league grand final (on pay only)

Does the cup final get those numbers ?

 

[Perth Red]

More than double the super league grand final (on pay only)

Does the cup final get those numbers ?

CC cup final is up around 1mill I think? Thats still great numbers for an England game though.