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2025 Streaming and TV Ratings Discussion

The_Wookie

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Yeh but you didn’t highlight the notes so I thought you were just making it up like usual

Funny thing is. I did that exactly two posts later.

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It’s still a huge loss for you anyway you said they were nowhere near 5 million and the real figure was 13.7 million

lol

Its not really a loss - Ive always said Ill go with the data when its reported - and Im not sure Im wrong anyway. Im almost certain theyve posted a cumulative reach figure for NZ and reported it wrong.
 

Wb1234

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Funny thing is. I did that exactly two posts later.

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Its not really a loss - Ive always said Ill go with the data when its reported - and Im not sure Im wrong anyway. Im almost certain theyve posted a cumulative reach figure for NZ and reported it wrong.
Why don’t you pull up where you said there was no way in the world the nz ratings would be 5 million total

Sure if you have no idea just say so don’t backtrack after

Ah so now you are “sure” it’s a reach number so you are accusing the arl of being misleading

Keep digging champ

The articles all use average ratings data

This is low even for you
 

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“The NRL claims to have a cumulative match viewership over all competitions of 200.5 million in 2024 - comprising 186.8 million Australian viewers and 13.7 million from New Zealand - to post a total 8.6 per cent higher than the previous year.

Over 213 matches, the NRL has 153.7 million cumulative viewers, 10 per cent higher than the AFL’s mark of 140.3 million over 216 matches.”
 
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The_Wookie

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Why don’t you pull up where you said there was no way in the world the nz ratings would be 5 million total

I still dont think they are, but I accept the official position until proven otherwise. Which may never happen

Sure if you have no idea just say so don’t backtrack after

Ill backtrack when you admit to being full of crap yourself.

Ah so now you are “sure” it’s a reach number so you are accusing the arl of being misleading

I believe that having an opinion on this isnt a f**king federal crime.

Keep digging champ

The articles all use average ratings data

This is low even for you

Yes, Im talking to to the NRL reporter about it at the moment.

I mean sure its gospel when the NRL do it, but bullshit when the AFL do.
 

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  • Kayo Sports’ biggest weekend ever driven by blockbuster event schedule including the Australian Grand Prix, AFL, NRL, The PLAYERS Championship, Supercars, and WSL Championship Tour.
  • More than 879 million minutes streamed, setting a new record for most minutes streamed across a single weekend.
  • Sunday’s Australian Grand Prix race becomes the most-watched Formula 1® race of all time across Kayo Sports and Foxtel.

Minutes watched - they did the same thing for the Vegas opener. Going to be the focus for Fox/DAZN, as it is for most streamers.
 

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I still dont think they are, but I accept the official position until proven otherwise. Which may never happen



Ill backtrack when you admit to being full of crap yourself.



I believe that having an opinion on this isnt a f**king federal crime.



Yes, Im talking to to the NRL reporter about it at the moment.

I mean sure its gospel when the NRL do it, but bullshit when the AFL do.
Talk to whatever reporter you want whoopie do

You said nz tv ratings were nowhere near five milion

You’ve also said tv ratings are not the most relevant stat to determine tv deals

Yet the nrl themselves are using that metric as a reason to justify a bigger tv deals than afl

It’s not the first time I’ve seen you questioning nrl tv ratings yet never once questioned afl on their crowd figures which are pure bs.

Yet quoted without question as a sign of afl popularity
 

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Yeh but you didn’t highlight the notes so I thought you were just making it up like usual

It’s still a huge loss for you anyway you said they were nowhere near 5 million and the real figure was 13.7 million
Doesn’t really tally does it?

first 9 rounds 1.59 million avg = 169k per round
next 18 rounds 12.1 million avg = 636k per round

that would be a hell of an uplift in audience after round 9! Although those rd 9 reported figures make no sense either as they say there was a total of 1.59 mill then go on to mention Two warriors games that drew over 400k to each of them?
 

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Doesn’t really tally does it?

first 9 rounds 1.59 million avg 169k per round
next 18 rounds 12.1 million avg 636k per round

thatb would be a hell of an uplift in audience after round 9!
Individual warriors games have been reported as getting 450k to 500k

Over the entire rugby league season from feb till nov 13.7 million seems perfectly reasonable

Anyone actually claiming it’s reach is an idiot

Obviously extra coverage on nz fta has helped

And Dazn are sitting on the sidelines and could be getting both the Aussie and nz pay tv rights


“The One New Zealand Warriors’ matches are the most popular so far with the match against the Raiders on March 22 attracting an audience of 469,800 people with a further 63,800 viewers streaming on Sky Sport Now and Sky Go.[3]

“The Warriors v Sharks match on March 8 was the second most popular with 461,100 people watching and more than 64,280 streaming while Warriors v Sea Eagles contest came in third with 433,800 people watching and nearly 74,500 streaming.”

 

The_Wookie

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Talk to whatever reporter you want whoopie do

well in this case its the none who wrote the article, so yeah I will, mostly because he will be able to confirm the source data.

You said nz tv ratings were nowhere near five milion

I dont think they are at an average level, but hey im only basing that off every other piece of data we have from Sky that is reach based.

You’ve also said tv ratings are not the most relevant stat to determine tv deals

I said that in regard to Foxtel only.

Yet the nrl themselves are using that metric as a reason to justify a bigger tv deals than afl

That doesnt make them right. It makes it what they want it to be. The NRL NEED it to be a relative stat. YOU need it to be a relative stat.

It’s not the first time I’ve seen you questioning nrl tv ratings yet never once questioned afl on their crowd figures which are pure bs.

AFL data largely tallies with that provided by stadium owning governing bodies. So Ill take two sources against your feelings.
 

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well in this case its the none who wrote the article, so yeah I will, mostly because he will be able to confirm the source data.



I dont think they are at an average level, but hey im only basing that off every other piece of data we have from Sky that is reach based.



I said that in regard to Foxtel only.



That doesnt make them right. It makes it what they want it to be. The NRL NEED it to be a relative stat. YOU need it to be a relative stat.



AFL data largely tallies with that provided by stadium owning governing bodies. So Ill take two sources against your feelings.
Here’s the funny thing the article also refers to super rugby tv ratings being the same number

So if you really think union games involving nz teams played in ideal times in nz are only getting 20k people a game in a nation of 5 million where union is the national sport then you are even more delusional than I thought

When you are talking to the journo tell him you said the nrl tv ratings in nz were around 1 to 2 million over a whole season so he knows what he’s dealing with

And I really hate to break it you the original article was written by Paul cully whose a rugby union journo

But you go ask that nrl journo for info lol
 

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Peter V’landys raised some eyebrows when he claimed NRL is the most watched sport in the land as he goes to the negotiating table on broadcast rights. Is he right? Here’s what the numbers say.


It was another statement from the NRL supremo Peter V’landys that would have had eyebrows raised in AFL and media circles.

“We have worked very hard to get the game to be the most watched sport in Australia,” V’Landys said as he spruiked the league closing in on what is expected to be a league record broadcast rights deal.

He went on to declare that “we are the No.1 in Australia”, “we have the premium product, that’s all that matters” and “we have got the game that is the most watched”.

Those declarations led to a deep dive on the numbers between the two winter codes.

WHICH SPORT IS WATCHED MORE?

Numbers cited alongside V’landys’ trumpeting showed the NRL attracted 153.7m viewers in 2024, compared to 140.3m for the AFL.

When canvassed about those figures, voices across the media landscape were surprised and said those numbers were likely ‘peak’ audiences instead of averages for games watched.

“In reality it is not the most watched sport,” one figure said.

Publicly available free-to-air TV numbers show the AFL consistently win when games to head-to-head.

Last year, the southern game pipped the NRL on Thursdays when the leagues played at the same time, as well as across the weekend and that trend has continued to start 2025.

On the most recent Thursday, an average of 671,000 viewers watched Channel 7’s AFL coverage, compared to 555,000 over on Channel 9 for the NRL.

On Friday, the trend carried over with an average of 633,000 watching Hawthorn beat Essendon, compared to 587,000 watching Sydney Roosters top the Penrith Panthers.

Foxtel’s ratings aren’t publicly available but NRL viewership in New South Wales and Queensland has been traditionally strong.
That would likely be largely evened out by the AFL, given Fox Footy has also boasted strong numbers and was encouraged with those tuning in for round 1’s first Super Saturday coverage.

The NRL also had more marquee slots last year, hosting 21 Thursday prime-time games, compared to the AFL’s 14.
There were 20 Friday night double-headers in the NRL last year, compared to two in the AFL, boosting overall viewership, potentially allowing the NRL to come out on top in overall viewers rather than averages.

The rugby league plays on more weekends than Aussie rules but had three fewer regular season games.

Advertisers in TV land pay for average viewership rather than peak audiences, despite networks spruiking the bigger number.

Data released by researchers Roy Morgan on Tuesday showed more Australians watched AFL than NRL.

According to that data, 9.1m Aussies over the age of 14 occasionally or regularly watched AFL in 2024, compared to the 7.3m who watched the northern game.
Of course, not all watching these days comes through the TV.

Whether or not he logs into the apps himself, V’landys’ game is ahead on video social media platforms Instagram and TikTok, leading the AFL in followers on both.

“The idea that they (NRL) are all of a sudden bigger and stronger than the AFL, it just doesn’t stand up to scrutiny,” media rights expert Colin Smith said.
The AFL was contacted for comment.
WHAT ABOUT THE BIG GAMES?

State of Origin is the NRL trump card.
The Queensland-New South Wales clashes are consistently the biggest mid-year event in Australian sport and the three matches put on by rugby league cannot be matched by Aussie rules.

All three State of Origin games sat in the top five most-watched sporting events on free-to-air TV last year.
The representative competition was not included in the 153.7m count of rugby viewers but will be a big factor in V’landys’ rights negotiations.
The NRLW competition has also been more of a ratings winner than AFLW.
The top of that list of most watched last year was the AFL grand final between the Lions and Swans, drawing 4.02m viewers to 7.
The NRL equivalent between the Panthers and Storm raked in 3.42m, fourth on the list behind the AFL decider and two State of Origin clashes

AND WHAT ABOUT GAME ATTENDANCE?

This isn’t all that close.
The NRL averaged 20,171 fans at 204 home-and-away games last year, while the AFL brought in 37,455 at 207 regular season matches.
The AFL boasted this week it broke the record for its highest attended round ever in round 1 and the lowest attended game of the nine played was 23,278 at the MCG as GWS defeated Melbourne.
The NRL played eight games on the same weekend, none of which beat the crowd for the Giants-Demons clash.
WHY IS THE NRL PUSHING IT IS AHEAD?

The answer to this one is simple, big numbers in ratings means big money on the new broadcasting agreement.
The AFL signed a huge seven-season $4.5 billion deal in late 2022 that has become the benchmark for V’landys and his crew to hunt down.
Industry figures don’t expect the NRL to match the AFL payday, bu


“Josh Barnes
AFL reporter
Josh Barnes is an AFL and sport reporter with News Sport and CODE Sports, who has previously worked as the Geelong”

lol
 
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