2nd Test: Australia v India at Sydney Jan 3-7, 2012

[ElectricEelMan]

Don't remind me, 3 golden point losses and a tie FFS!!

DAMN YOU!
Erased all that from memory and you go and remind me.

We may have made the finals if luck went our way. Probably not, but I need some positive reinforcements!

 

[Hallatia]

Sorry, but that demonstrates a massive misunderstanding of the game. No one cares if India chase it or not. It was our 1st innings. The only question is could India survive for 6 sessions. Had we batted on even if we got them out in the last over of day 5 we win. Now if they can bat 6 sessions they will be in front and it could be us deciding if we chase the total or not. We've got India out of the field where they really didn't want to be, and opened up the tiniest of chances to win it as well as making it much easier for them to save the game by giving them the best of the conditions to bat in. Rubbish decision even if we do roll them by stumps today.

Now the question became can they survive 7 and a half? When they are all out, that's it for them, even if they do get a lead (which isn't overly likely even with all their batting talent) Australia has a spare batting innings up their sleeves. I think it's the captain's job to try to win the match especially in a situation like this with his side well on top. Taking the necessary wickets twice is the only thing any side absolutely has to do to win any test match. It's Clarke's job to try to win this match and send a clear message to the Indian side that his team is going to win this test match, not that their going to make a bunch of useless unnecessary records whilst India are tanning at the SCG or whatever it is they were doing in the field (certainly wasn't fielding)

 

[hineyrulz]

Thats a Hayden like choke.

Nothing is as big as a Hayden like choke.

 

[Didgi]

This thread certainly took a turn. Parra fans still butthurt over Mateo and Kiwis and Clarke haters emerging on cue...

 

[El Diablo]

Siddles figures could quite possibly be 60 odd overs, none for 300.

Siddle :arrow: Hadlee

 

[Horrie Is God]

Pidgeon is classic..

He thought he was a number 3..:crazy:

Steve Waugh though he was a left handed bat..:lol:

 

[yappy]

Now the question became can they survive 7 and a half? When they are all out, that's it for them, even if they do get a lead (which isn't overly likely even with all their batting talent) Australia has a spare batting innings up their sleeves. I think it's the captain's job to try to win the match especially in a situation like this with his side well on top. Taking the necessary wickets twice is the only thing any side absolutely has to do to win any test match. It's Clarke's job to try to win this match and send a clear message to the Indian side that his team is going to win this test match, not that their going to make a bunch of useless unnecessary records whilst India are tanning at the SCG or whatever it is they were doing in the field (certainly wasn't fielding)

Again you massively misunderstand the game. If India can survive say 6 and a bit sessions they'll set Australia about 150 in less than a session and a half. That won't necessarily be easy to get. They are enjoying the flat conditions now and going at 4 an over, but Sydney break up and spins on day 5. The listless Indian bowling and fielding you saw the last two days will be gone and they'll have their tails up. If we're 3/37 again we'll be well and truly under the pump. And all because we needlessly took our foot off their throat. When you're on top you take advantage. Clark has given away the advantages of batting in the best of the conditions, smashing the Indian bowlers and fielders into the ground, and making so many runs they couldn't hope to force us to bat again. That is how you send a clear message to the opposition that you're going to win this game. The 400 would have just been a brilliant bonus, but even if Clark had gotten out we should have batted for another two hours. That would have been the most aggressive and victory focussed decision.

 

[redvscotty]

Can someone please BAN steady eddie from this forum?

He doesnt need to be here in the International Test Forum, because NZ aren't a legit test playing nation.

 

[Twizzle]

can everyone please stop whinging

 

[Fast Eddie]

Can someone please BAN steady eddie from this forum?

He doesnt need to be here in the International Test Forum, because NZ aren't a legit test playing nation.

Mate the facts just do not support you. Maybe you should be banned for your lack of knowledge on the international game. And even if it was true you're saying people from outside the main test cricket playing countries shouldn't be allowed to discuss international Cricket. Thats a very insular attitude and I am shocked and appalled.

I thought this was the Eels forum anyway.

 

[firechild]

Gotta agree with Yappy. Already they've taken 50 off the chase whereas we should have put another 50 on. That's a 100 run turnaround and would have been enough to kill any chance of them reaching it.

 

[Canard]

Thats way to pessimistic and negative thinking for my opinion.

We just live in a "I want it now" generation, if there hasn't been a wicket for 10mins suddenly we are struggling.

To suggest that we should have played in such a way that we expect the opposition to get 650 in the second innings, well might as well give up.

 

[Valheru]

Again you massively misunderstand the game. If India can survive say 6 and a bit sessions they'll set Australia about 150 in less than a session and a half. That won't necessarily be easy to get. They are enjoying the flat conditions now and going at 4 an over, but Sydney break up and spins on day 5. The listless Indian bowling and fielding you saw the last two days will be gone and they'll have their tails up. If we're 3/37 again we'll be well and truly under the pump. And all because we needlessly took our foot off their throat. When you're on top you take advantage. Clark has given away the advantages of batting in the best of the conditions, smashing the Indian bowlers and fielders into the ground, and making so many runs they couldn't hope to force us to bat again. That is how you send a clear message to the opposition that you're going to win this game. The 400 would have just been a brilliant bonus, but even if Clark had gotten out we should have batted for another two hours. That would have been the most aggressive and victory focussed decision.

You are the one who massively misunderstands the game.

We were near on 500 in front. They will probably be happy to have 2 or 3 out for 150 at stumps. That still leaves a buffer of approx 350.

Once we get 4 wickets the rest will quickly follow.

It was a perfectly timed declaration giving the bowlers a shot before tea which yielded a wicket.

 

[billy2]

get the spinners on.
3rd day SCG pitch - Warnie would knock them off by stumps.

 

[redvscotty]

It would seem that Gambhir is never ready to face the ball. Always pulling out.

Must be why he's got no kids.

 

[Fast Eddie]

Can't see India losing another wicket tonight.

 

[Sam_the_man]

Siddle :arrow: Hadlee

Siddle: batting average 16.32 / 50s: 0 / 100s: 0
Hadlee: batting average 27.16 / 50s: 15 / 100s: 2

Siddle: bowling average 30.78 / wickets: 97 / 5 wicket bags: 4
Hadlee : bowling average 22.29 / wickets: 431 / 5 wicket bags: 36

Sir Richard Hadlee:arrow: El Diablo.

 

[Sam_the_man]

Can someone please BAN steady eddie from this forum?

He doesnt need to be here in the International Test Forum, because NZ aren't a legit test playing nation.

What was the result of the last test played between NZ and Australia?

 

[yappy]

You are the one who massively misunderstands the game.

We were near on 500 in front. They will probably be happy to have 2 or 3 out for 150 at stumps. That still leaves a buffer of approx 350.

Once we get 4 wickets the rest will quickly follow.

It was a perfectly timed declaration giving the bowlers a shot before tea which yielded a wicket.

It's day 3 not day 4. There was simply no strategic advantage from declaring. None, zip, zero, zilch, nada. The only possible explanation for declaring 470 in front at the middle session drinks break of day 3 is because you fear the opposition making 600 (or you fear all your critics bagging you for playing for yourself - which just ends up seeing you being bagged for trying too hard to look like you only care for the team (haterz have to hate after all)).

By your own admission declaring now leaves open the chance to be level by the beginning of day 5. If as you assert it's 4 out all out then batting another two hours wouldn't have made much difference, except to make India bat in worse conditions, whilst they are even more tired and demoralised.

We'll win, and we deserve to, but we've given away some valuable advantages for no good reason.

 

[woodyk2]

Thats way to pessimistic and negative thinking for my opinion.

We just live in a "I want it now" generation, if there hasn't been a wicket for 10mins suddenly we are struggling.

To suggest that we should have played in such a way that we expect the opposition to get 650 in the second innings, well might as well give up.

This