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2nd Test - Australia v New Zealand Hobart Dec 9 - Dec 13 2011

shiznit

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It was a bit too green, but shits all over the road at Adelaide for producing exciting cricket.
yeah... im not saying every pitch needs to be a road.

just that there needs to be a fair contest between bat and ball.

if you serve that up to the Indians... i can see the effigy's of the Australian groundsman burning already... :lol:

they refused to tour us for 6 or 7 years after we gave them a few greentops in 2003
 

AlwaysGreen

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I didn't say otherwise you moron merkin.

He's in the team as a first drop, if he can't handle it then he spends his career at 6.
I'm going to leave it because you're just arguing for the sake of it.

Ha and I like how you say that as Khawaja actually achieved anything in the series.
I'd have khawaja over the pie eater any day of the week. He smashed 170 odd in a tour match then went missing when it counted. Khawaja at least looks like he can play the game, the pie eater looks like he got lost on the way to weight watchers or AA.

As for the invisible man, he's got potential, but I ask again did he actually play in the series?
 

Twizzle

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I think Oozi, Starc and Hughes will be international players, just not quiet there yet
 

Fast Eddie

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I'd have khawaja over the pie eater any day of the week. He smashed 170 odd in a tour match then went missing when it counted. Khawaja at least looks like he can play the game, the pie eater looks like he got lost on the way to weight watchers or AA.

As for the invisible man, he's got potential, but I ask again did he actually play in the series?

Yes he did, can I make the same stupid 'invisible man' comments about Khawaja?

All that needs to be said is Ryder=test average of 40 with 3 centuries including a double century. Also quite handy with the ball and suprisingly good fielder. Khawaja=nothing of note yet.
 

El Diablo

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Yes he did, can I make the same stupid 'invisible man' comments about Khawaja?

nobody in here talked Khawaja up like certain people did with the Kiwi nuffy

just like you numbnuts wank on about Bond owning Aus despite him having a bowling average of 96
 

hineyrulz

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Ok, from the fair dinkum dept:

The Kiwis pace quartet has the tools to take wickets when there's a bit of swing. Not so convinced they'd pose that many questions under bright blue skies on a dusty pitch. Could be an offer to the Bellerive groundsman from Cricket NZ on it's way.

Pattinson is a great find. Can swing it when it's available, but has pace and bounce to pose questions on harder decks. Starc is three years away from test quality at least, and Siddle again shows what he can do if he bowls full. Not having Johnson in the side helps his cause. Hoping Dougeh or Hazelwood comes in for Starc in Melbourne.

I've been Hughes' biggest defender, but he's failed - back to NSW.

Watson comes back into the side, but the idea of him opening still doesn't fill me with confidence. I doubt he would have gone any better than Hughes in these swinging conditions. He'd be knicking off just as often. His bowling though in these conditions probably would have won us the game. Whereas the kiwis had four bowlers pitching up and letting the ball swing meaning we never had easy runs on offer, Starc was consistently too short and Siddle and Pattinson had spells that were too short also. Watson would have bowled beautifully here and the slips would have been right in the game. I still think 4 is a better spot for him.

Like Watson I don't think you can assume Marsh would have gone any good in this series either. I also don't rate him because of his constant injuries. A summer without a Shaun Marsh injury would be like a summer without Santa. That said he'll probably get a go against the Indians, but I'm not thinking he's our solution to No.3 yet.

Khawaja is a tease at this stage. Looks so solid, but then gets out. Marsh will probably take his spot which is a shame, but he'll remain next in line unlike Hughes who will drop off the pace for some time.

I've said that if Ed Cowan ever plays test cricket, we're in big trouble. Well, we're in big trouble. To Ed's credit he has lifted his average quite a lot and it's just on the cusp of breaking 40 which I reckon is about the bottom limit of genuine test contenders. He has that other great quality for a guy you're looking to give a debut to - he's in career best form. If he makes a score in the two day game (assuming he plays) then I'd have no problem giving him a shot against India.

On Warner, well I'm glad at least one guy I had high hopes for has delivered. Today was what he's been delivering for NSW since he got his chance to open. He's not a basher or a slogger (but he can be when required), he's a batsman with a well constructed technique, the ability to score around the ground, the ability to turn over the strike and the ability to survive when conditions are favouring the bowlers. He'll have a lean patch some time, and probably get dropped like every other batsman, but Warner is going to score a big pile of Test runs at a high average and great s/r. Super fielder too. Another piece of the puzzle falling into place.

I said Ponting should have gone in SA, but the injuries justified his retention. If the injuries are over then the excuse is gone. He should (but won't) be dropped. He's going no better than Hughes and at 37 his glory days are a long way in the past. It's not enough to say 'who would you replace him with?'. The answer is you can't know if a guy is good enough until he gets a go. Even last week plenty of (admittedly not very good) judges were questioning Warner in the side. You've got to give guys a go and see who succeeds. By chucking them in we've recently uncovered Lyon, Cummins, Pattinson, Marsh and Warner who have put real test quality performances on the board. Cutting Ponting gives you the spot to move Watson down the order and give Cowan a go, or give Uzi a few more games. Whatever the result we need to move on from Ponting and we can't do that whilst we're still saying 'but he's working so hard in the nets'. Hussey needs runs against India or he falls into the same boat.

Lastly Lyon. I still think O'Keefe should have got a go first, and believe he would have given as much, but you can't fault the guy. Lovely shape and constantly improving as a cricketer. Showing enough courage with the bat to think he might work his way up to 9 eventually, or at least a solid 10. Quietly confident he can do a job for us even against the Indians.
Great post again.
 

Fast Eddie

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nobody in here talked Khawaja up like certain people did with the Kiwi nuffy

just like you numbnuts wank on about Bond owning Aus despite him having a bowling average of 96

Khawaja was hugely hyped at the start and before his test career. And so far it has come to nothing yet. Williamson has been hyped also, at least he has some runs to back it up and is a good 2-3 years younger anyway. He didn't have the series he would have liked but then only Brownlie did for us anyway. Who shows a lot of promise.
 

Fast Eddie

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nobody in here talked Khawaja up like certain people did with the Kiwi nuffy

just like you numbnuts wank on about Bond owning Aus despite him having a bowling average of 96

He played one test against you if I remember correctly? And it was his debut. Whoever it was doing the 'talking you up' was obvisouly referring to his ODI domination of your team.
 

AlwaysGreen

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Yes he did, can I make the same stupid 'invisible man' comments about Khawaja?

All that needs to be said is Ryder=test average of 40 with 3 centuries including a double century. Also quite handy with the ball and suprisingly good fielder. Khawaja=nothing of note yet.

At least khawaja was visible in the field. Williamson was nowhere. If Ryder is such a gun you'd think he'd lift against the blokes from across the detch. Yet he got out stumped to Mike f**king Hussey! In one innings and did nothing else of note except get repeatedly mistaken for a sight screen.
 

Red Bear

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I think Oozi, Starc and Hughes will be international players, just not quiet there yet
I dont see Starc having much of a test career but he certainly has the raw ingrediants to succeed, I just think there are at least 4 young fast bowlers better than him (Pattinson, Cummins, Hazlewood, Cutting). Faulkner probably a better lefty as well and potential all rounder at some point if our batting can sure itself up
 

TheParraboy

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I dont see Starc having much of a test career but he certainly has the raw ingrediants to succeed, I just think there are at least 4 young fast bowlers better than him (Pattinson, Cummins, Hazlewood, Cutting). Faulkner probably a better lefty as well and potential all rounder at some point if our batting can sure itself up

throw in Lalor and George in there as well IMO
 

byrne_rovelli_fan82

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Australia had their advantage going into today without losing a wicket, certainly the trio of Pointing, Clarke and Hussey became the biggest obstacle because for Warner and Lyon to try and amaze 40+ runs proved too much, also it was confusing to understand what Warner was doing giving strike to Lyon. He said at the end he trust him, and that's fine but would you really let a no:11 bat that long? Warner didn't help himself much by trying to finish in a hurry and swinging and missing.

Anyway, well done to the Black Caps they fought as hard and the bowlers put a lot of good work in, granted we were still let down a bit with our own batsmen getting tiny starts and falling.

No matter who you supported, it was very exciting and nerve wrecking. Great viewing for cricket.
 

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