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2nd Test: Australia v Pakistan at Abu Dhabi Oct 30-Nov 3, 2014

hineyrulz

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Not sure what everyone expected, it was a terribly balanced attack and a bloke picked who hasn't played a first class game in 14 months. Won't even mention the geniused reviews.
 

madunit

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We have next to no variation in our bowling stocks and it's making us easy to play if the conditions don't suit our bowlers.

Younis is a class batsmen no doubt, but he isn't looking in any way troubled at all by any of our bowlers.
 

madunit

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Bowler averages This series (After day 1 of the 2nd test)

Johnston 30.75 (4 for 123)
O'Keefe 54.75 (4 for 219)
Smith 67.00 (1 for 67)
Lyon 110.00 (2 for 220)
Siddle 133.00 (1 for 133)
Clarke 0 (0 for 7)
Maxwell 0 (0 for 36)
Starc 0 (0 for 37)
Marsh 0 (0 for 86)
 

maple_69

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It's amazing that this never changes. India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka cut sick on softer turners and England, Australia and South Africa dominate green bouncers. In the age of proffesionalism it's pretty rubbish that these guys just can't adapt. Every other dport, the athletes are getting better and better. Cricket is stuck in the 80s.
 
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madunit

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I think it's a bigger concern that pace bowlers can't adapt.

Spin relies more heavily on the pitch providing support to help the bowler than pace does, so its understandable when spin bowlers struggle.
 

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We have next to no variation in our bowling stocks and it's making us easy to play if the conditions don't suit our bowlers.

Younis is a class batsmen no doubt, but he isn't looking in any way troubled at all by any of our bowlers.

A lot to do with the pitch as well, missing Harris and Pattinson doesn't help.

Now the pitch will deteriorate and spin like f**k and we only got 4 batsmen.
 

AlwaysGreen

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It's amazing that this never changes. India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka cut sick on softer turners and England, Australia and South Africa dominate green bouncers. In the age of proffesionalism it's pretty rubbish that these guys just can't adapt. Every other dport, the athletes are getting better and better. Cricket is stuck in the 80s.

So after growing up on wickets with bounce and against pace bowling a batsman just adjusts? Vice versa with batsmen used to low pitches and spin?

The difference with cricket and other sports is that conditions are variable. The pitch is the variable, with every one different in the way it plays and deteriorates. Basketballers always play on wooden boards, footballers of all codes grass, ping pong players on a table, they may vary slightly but essentially they are the same surface. The same cannot be said of a pitch.

And then you have the differences in bowler actions, types of delivery, effects of the weather on the ball.
And then there is the ball. Again, unlike any other game I can think of, the effects that conditions and players have on the ball can determine what the ball does in a game or even an innings. Compare it to baseball, a similar bat on ball game - there are over 100 ball changes a game and the ball is not allowed to get a speck of damage on it lest it influence what a pitcher can do with it.

If everyone was playing on concrete pitches, with balls that did not age or were changed regularly in indoor stadiums than adjustment would be quite easy. But by f**k it would be boring.
 

JJ

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I think it's a bigger concern that pace bowlers can't adapt.

Spin relies more heavily on the pitch providing support to help the bowler than pace does, so its understandable when spin bowlers struggle.

I agree... the great Windies pacemen still performed in these conditions, and pretty sure the likes of Donald and Pollock went ok?, South Africa have certainly performed better in these sorts of conditions than Australia
 

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You've mentioned the Windies pacemen, Donald and Pollock. Only Notch gets near those blokes, and that's on his good days.

The basic thing in cricket is this: if you're good enough you will prosper on any surface, paceman, spinner or batsmen. A lot of our blokes aren't good enough. Teeny and Notch have carried this team since the ashes.
 

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You've mentioned the Windies pacemen, Donald and Pollock. Only Notch gets near those blokes, and that's on his good days.

The basic thing in cricket is this: if you're good enough you will prosper on any surface, paceman, spinner or batsmen. A lot of our blokes aren't good enough. Teeny and Notch have carried this team since the ashes.

Kind of my point in another thread - the current Australian team is not terribly talented (by recent Australian standards), has hugely overachieved in recent times, largely on the back of an extended purple spell by Johnson - he's still bowling pretty well by the look of it, but in conditions like this no pace will tear through a quality lineup.
 
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A fit Harris fixes almost all the bowling problems. At the moment all the Pakis have to do is carefully play Johnson and the battle is won
 

hineyrulz

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A fit Harris fixes almost all the bowling problems. At the moment all the Pakis have to do is carefully play Johnson and the battle is won
Harris is nearly 35, he won't be around for much longer. Time to bring the likes od Pattinson,Hazlewood and Cummins through.
 

typicalfan

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McGrath was great in the sub continent.

Johnson is being overbowled due to a lack of penetration. Could affect his performances here v India.
 

TheParraboy

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all happening this morning

warner dropped a sitter

haddin looks like his shoulder is dislocated after a dive (but he is staying on)

pak 2/315
 

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